Discussion in 'Politics' started by Palin Rider, Jul 23, 2010.
(I never see any in my area.)
im conservative, and dont care for the dems, the reps, the tea party, or any other party. They are all crap.
It's hard to parse the two. You're identifying people based on their set of political beliefs but don't want to hear about which party they generally support. That's a tall order.
Democrats are more cohesive than Republicans. In common parlance that means they are more partisan. I don't think it's really a bad thing.
Everyone has to have a name these days, you can't just have an opinion on something. If you aren't partisan then you're an ideologue. You can't win for losing.
I don't think it's possible to have a private individual who has a particular political leaning and isn't partisan to a fairly large extent. I'm a conservative, I generally support the Republicans, didn't vote for McCain or Bush for president or governor because they're a couple of liberals. Does that make me non-partisan? I don't think so. I despise the Republicans, but not as much as the Democrats, and I'll keep voting Republican to keep the Democrats out, provided they aren't just Democrats with an R after their name like Bush and McCain. Does that make me non-partisan? I don't think so.
There's JakeStarkey. He's a conservative, but he's a Democrat partisan, so it kinda cancels out.
Are there any non partisan Liberals on this board? Just asking.
I rather doubt that most people here who identify themsevles as conservatives really understand what conservatism really is.
It's an approach to problem solving...not a grocery list of things one must believe.
I have the same complaint about most self indentifying liberals.
People seem to confuse supporting the Dems with being a liberal, and supporting the Reps as being consevative.
I don't think either party lives up to being either conservative or liberal.
Parties tend to operate pragmatically, not idealistically.
Their rhetoric might be idealistic, but their actions are mired in the real world.
No, Del seems to have left.
You'll find that virtually every conservative here is an "independent." I don't know if their claimed rejection of both parties qualifies them as non-partisan, but it sure seems to me that 1. Every move the Democrats make has zero benefit and "Will destroy our country," and 2. Every problem we have is the fault of a Democrat or Democrats, sometimes decades ago.
For that matter, there seem to be a lot of "independents" that march in lockstep with Democrats as well.
In fact, now that you bring it up, I can't think of anyone who's identified themselves as a proud Republican. There has been innuendo about how great the Republican party was before they lost their minds, but I don't know that there's anyone here who will admit to being a Republican and supporting the party here and now.
The hi-lited part is the problem with the parties. They just can't seem to figure out that the "grocery list" eliminates many from their "tent".
Just as an example: Abortion. If you are a Conservative, it seems to me, you should be in favor of privately funded abortion when needed. Without the Abortion option, a whole slew of programs are needed to support unwed mothers, subsidize child rearing expenses, Child Care assistance programs for working single mothers, Child support payment enforcement... In short, the government must become larger if abortion is illegal.
If you are a Liberal, believing that it takes a village and so forth, you should oppose or at least harbor no strong feelings about abortion and yet the litmus test for most Liberals involves support of the "right" to have an abortion.
Liberals can find this "right" in the Constitution, but the "right" to bear arms somehow eludes them in the same document.
Conservatives routinely want to reduce spending, but don't really see the problem with maintaining Super Carriers. What's wrong with this picture?
To my way of thinking, which is admittedly a bit skewed, the party affilliation and the political philosophy routinely force contraditions that the party hacks rationalize away.
Being a true Liberal or Conservative almost demands that you be in conflict with both parties.
Being a true believer from either party demands that you suspend the need for rational thought.
Conservative Bolivarian socialista here.
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