Anti gunners, tell us that this woman has no right to own a gun to stop this from happening again...

[2aguy]

Indeed coward, they might, but as soon as the first 40 or 50 rapists got shot in the head, rape would drop dramatically!

I think when the first 14 happens, the bad guys just start capping the women before they even get the chance of pulling that weapon. The only thing you did was get a lot of Women killed. It's one thing to make a Rapist think twice about rape but another to start killing potential rapists at will. I wonder how many innocent men will get killed in the process as well. When any man sees a woman on the street they don't know, should we just go ahead and do a preemptive strike? More guns is not the answer. It's part of the problem.

Then I guess liberals should stop giving criminals a slap on the wrist huh?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

 

[2aguy]

I doubt that is a change. I mean, was there a time when you weren't a Communist?

Seems to be common, actually.

Oh? So "real patriots" are those who seek to strip civil rights from other Americans?

Now that's a lie.

I support the rights of all citizens to keep and bear arms. It's in something we call "The Constitution." Perhaps you've heard of it. You swore an oath to uphold it, despite you being here trying to subvert it.

Criminals already have plenty of guns. You have no desire to disarm criminals, nor will you. Criminals cannot be disarmed by laws they ignore. You seek to disarm the law abiding so that they will be victims.

Your Communist was someone that was bagged on his opening days. Even if he wouldn't have been so stupid, he would have been tripped up sooner than later. Cadets are just College Students and he is a first year college student. You have no idea how things work in the US Military but yet you gum yer jaws.

Now, if we armed every civilian, how do you know that you aren't also arming the criminals? Do we make it a law that all Criminals must have a Red C tattooed on the Foreheads? More guns won't make things better. It just will makes things worse when the Criminals just shoot you and get it over with because you just might be armed. And who makes the determination who gets the Big Red C tattooed on their foreheads? Is there going to be a Panel that makes those calls? Those of us that disagree with you will also disagree with your panel and can look forward to you and yours trying to tattoo that big red C on our foreheads. Should make it easy to round us up. Except, we are already armed and will take exception to you and yours who will try and take away the sanity and replace it with your Martial Law. You can talk about individual freedom all you want but in the end, you only want the freedom for your own kind. There are those of us that want it for everyone and are not only willing to lay it on the line but have already done so.

I demand a street that anyone can feel safe enough to walk down without a weapon of any kind. I demand a home that isn't under attack. I demand a lot of things. But you don't seem to want to cooperate in getting those things. Putting more guns in the Citizens hands doesn't work. It appears that even the Criminal is a Citizen and will stand in line to get those guns as well. Since you don't really care how a citizen gets those guns, I guess the illegal proliferation that a Criminal does to get his is no different. Yes, let's put more guns on the streets. And put them in the hands of people not really qualified emotionally to use them justly. The Criminals will like that. They'll just harvest the guns and have more guns. There are other methods that give me what I demand but not as long as your bunch keep screaming "More Guns" and "It's the Black Guys Fault". Then you condemn a Community that starts those programs to make their streets safer and lowers criminal activity. And they do it without "More Guns". Now, that really gets you in the short Gonads, don't it.

All of that is false.

2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone graduated from West Point. Not a "1st year" as you claim.
West Point grad behind pro-communist photos reportedly was flagged to superiors in 2015

Most of the armed forces are not like you, most are loyal and patriotic Americans. If you think the military will stage a coup to crush the civil rights of Americans, you're simply nuts.

Criminals are already armed. You seek to disarm the law abiding. You want a nation of sheep who cannot defend themselves or their property. Tyrants from the beginning of time have thought that disarming the masses is the path to ruling. It rarely works.

He was bagged his first year of active duty. He never made the cut.

Most Armed Forces are exactly like me. We are loyal to our Nation, Our Constitution and each other. You keep wanting to overthrow the Consitution to suit your own ends. Your Revolution will never succeed.

Criminals for the most part are not armed. Most use thug tactics more than anything else. But if everyone that would be their victim were to be armed then they would become armed as well. What you demand is that we usurp the duties and responsibilities of our Police Forces and replace them with Vigilantes. Not going to be tolerated by civilized people. WE are a nation of laws and our Police Forces are there to keep those laws. You keep forgetting that. You want a safer street, have a better trained and numbered police force that works closely with the Community. And get JOBS into those areas. NYC has been working on doing that and their crime rate keeps going down. It's got along way to go. But it's a start.

The more you keep trying to instill fear into things the messier things are going to be and the more people will be killed.

You don't know what you are talking about..... you make stuff up in your mind and then you post it as if it is true..... it isn't.

This is the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And the decrease had NOTHING to do with the number of guns. No study has ever been accredited to prove that. Never. What has affected the decrease has been the better law enforcement, working with the Community and getting jobs back into depressed areas. You know, the very things that you would rather spend millions on lobbying for "More Guns" than investing in America. You keep trying to scare people into buying more guns. Well, cupcake, it's worked pretty well in the past but it's slowly being seen as it really is and that is fear. And I don't feel particularly fearful today. Now, stop making shit up.

You don't know what you are talking about, you are talking out of your ass again.

The core argument of anti gunners is that more guns = more gun crime.

The 25 years that more Americans now own and carry more guns = 49% less gun murder, 75% less gun crime, 72% less violent crime.....

Here.... a little research into the effects of concealed carry.....

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — see Table 3 on page 679

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Abortion and Crime: Unwanted children and out-of-wedlock births, John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, October 2006.– page 14, Table 2.

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — page 707, fn. 29

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr. — many places in the text.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

“The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws: A Critique of the 2014 Version of Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang,” Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Econ Journal Watch, January 2018: 51-66.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[idb]

I think when the first 14 happens, the bad guys just start capping the women before they even get the chance of pulling that weapon. The only thing you did was get a lot of Women killed. It's one thing to make a Rapist think twice about rape but another to start killing potential rapists at will. I wonder how many innocent men will get killed in the process as well. When any man sees a woman on the street they don't know, should we just go ahead and do a preemptive strike? More guns is not the answer. It's part of the problem.

Then I guess liberals should stop giving criminals a slap on the wrist huh?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

With retirement of Lex Luther there was no need for Phone Booths anymore. I wondered why the Bat Signal disappeared. You may have hit on something.

It's a theory I've been working on for a while.

 

[idb]

I think when the first 14 happens, the bad guys just start capping the women before they even get the chance of pulling that weapon. The only thing you did was get a lot of Women killed. It's one thing to make a Rapist think twice about rape but another to start killing potential rapists at will. I wonder how many innocent men will get killed in the process as well. When any man sees a woman on the street they don't know, should we just go ahead and do a preemptive strike? More guns is not the answer. It's part of the problem.

Then I guess liberals should stop giving criminals a slap on the wrist huh?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

 

[2aguy]

Then I guess liberals should stop giving criminals a slap on the wrist huh?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

 

[idb]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

After you tell us how you know what the real numbers are.

 

[2aguy]

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

After you tell us how you know what the real numbers are.

NICS background checks.....

 

[idb]

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

After you tell us how you know what the real numbers are.

NICS background checks.....

Does that identify the number of households with guns...or the number of guns...or the number of people owning guns?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

After you tell us how you know what the real numbers are.

NICS background checks.....

Does that identify the number of households with guns...or the number of guns...or the number of people owning guns?

No... it simply shows 2 guys in Idaho who buy all the guns ever made.......

 

[idb]

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

After you tell us how you know what the real numbers are.

NICS background checks.....

Does that identify the number of households with guns...or the number of guns...or the number of people owning guns?

No... it simply shows 2 guys in Idaho who buy all the guns ever made.......

Well...that kind of upsets your contention that more Americans own guns than ever before.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This woman was violently assaulted by an ex boyfriend..... he was choking her in her own apartment....twice her size and weight, no one to help her.

Tell us again how the preferred outcome is him killing her, rather than her using a gun to stop him....

This fails as a hasty generalization fallacy.

And there are no ‘anti-gunners’ – it’s just another ridiculous rightwing lie.

 

[Uncensored2008]

This woman was violently assaulted by an ex boyfriend..... he was choking her in her own apartment....twice her size and weight, no one to help her.

Tell us again how the preferred outcome is him killing her, rather than her using a gun to stop him....

This fails as a hasty generalization fallacy.

And there are no ‘anti-gunners’ – it’s just another ridiculous rightwing lie.

What a fucking liar you are.

Democrats do indeed want to repeal Second Amendment

Typical democrat, a fucking liar.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I doubt that is a change. I mean, was there a time when you weren't a Communist?

Seems to be common, actually.

Oh? So "real patriots" are those who seek to strip civil rights from other Americans?

Now that's a lie.

I support the rights of all citizens to keep and bear arms. It's in something we call "The Constitution." Perhaps you've heard of it. You swore an oath to uphold it, despite you being here trying to subvert it.

Criminals already have plenty of guns. You have no desire to disarm criminals, nor will you. Criminals cannot be disarmed by laws they ignore. You seek to disarm the law abiding so that they will be victims.

Your Communist was someone that was bagged on his opening days. Even if he wouldn't have been so stupid, he would have been tripped up sooner than later. Cadets are just College Students and he is a first year college student. You have no idea how things work in the US Military but yet you gum yer jaws.

Now, if we armed every civilian, how do you know that you aren't also arming the criminals? Do we make it a law that all Criminals must have a Red C tattooed on the Foreheads? More guns won't make things better. It just will makes things worse when the Criminals just shoot you and get it over with because you just might be armed. And who makes the determination who gets the Big Red C tattooed on their foreheads? Is there going to be a Panel that makes those calls? Those of us that disagree with you will also disagree with your panel and can look forward to you and yours trying to tattoo that big red C on our foreheads. Should make it easy to round us up. Except, we are already armed and will take exception to you and yours who will try and take away the sanity and replace it with your Martial Law. You can talk about individual freedom all you want but in the end, you only want the freedom for your own kind. There are those of us that want it for everyone and are not only willing to lay it on the line but have already done so.

I demand a street that anyone can feel safe enough to walk down without a weapon of any kind. I demand a home that isn't under attack. I demand a lot of things. But you don't seem to want to cooperate in getting those things. Putting more guns in the Citizens hands doesn't work. It appears that even the Criminal is a Citizen and will stand in line to get those guns as well. Since you don't really care how a citizen gets those guns, I guess the illegal proliferation that a Criminal does to get his is no different. Yes, let's put more guns on the streets. And put them in the hands of people not really qualified emotionally to use them justly. The Criminals will like that. They'll just harvest the guns and have more guns. There are other methods that give me what I demand but not as long as your bunch keep screaming "More Guns" and "It's the Black Guys Fault". Then you condemn a Community that starts those programs to make their streets safer and lowers criminal activity. And they do it without "More Guns". Now, that really gets you in the short Gonads, don't it.

All of that is false.

2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone graduated from West Point. Not a "1st year" as you claim.
West Point grad behind pro-communist photos reportedly was flagged to superiors in 2015

Most of the armed forces are not like you, most are loyal and patriotic Americans. If you think the military will stage a coup to crush the civil rights of Americans, you're simply nuts.

Criminals are already armed. You seek to disarm the law abiding. You want a nation of sheep who cannot defend themselves or their property. Tyrants from the beginning of time have thought that disarming the masses is the path to ruling. It rarely works.

He was bagged his first year of active duty. He never made the cut.

Most Armed Forces are exactly like me. We are loyal to our Nation, Our Constitution and each other. You keep wanting to overthrow the Consitution to suit your own ends. Your Revolution will never succeed.

Criminals for the most part are not armed. Most use thug tactics more than anything else. But if everyone that would be their victim were to be armed then they would become armed as well. What you demand is that we usurp the duties and responsibilities of our Police Forces and replace them with Vigilantes. Not going to be tolerated by civilized people. WE are a nation of laws and our Police Forces are there to keep those laws. You keep forgetting that. You want a safer street, have a better trained and numbered police force that works closely with the Community. And get JOBS into those areas. NYC has been working on doing that and their crime rate keeps going down. It's got along way to go. But it's a start.

The more you keep trying to instill fear into things the messier things are going to be and the more people will be killed.

You don't know what you are talking about..... you make stuff up in your mind and then you post it as if it is true..... it isn't.

This is the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And the decrease had NOTHING to do with the number of guns. No study has ever been accredited to prove that. Never. What has affected the decrease has been the better law enforcement, working with the Community and getting jobs back into depressed areas. You know, the very things that you would rather spend millions on lobbying for "More Guns" than investing in America. You keep trying to scare people into buying more guns. Well, cupcake, it's worked pretty well in the past but it's slowly being seen as it really is and that is fear. And I don't feel particularly fearful today. Now, stop making shit up.

At best guns are neutral.

More guns doesn't mean less crime nor just as more guns doesn't mean more crime

 

[Skull Pilot]

Indeed coward, they might, but as soon as the first 40 or 50 rapists got shot in the head, rape would drop dramatically!

I think when the first 14 happens, the bad guys just start capping the women before they even get the chance of pulling that weapon. The only thing you did was get a lot of Women killed. It's one thing to make a Rapist think twice about rape but another to start killing potential rapists at will. I wonder how many innocent men will get killed in the process as well. When any man sees a woman on the street they don't know, should we just go ahead and do a preemptive strike? More guns is not the answer. It's part of the problem.

Then I guess liberals should stop giving criminals a slap on the wrist huh?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

I'm willing to bet the actual number is higher because many people who own guns will deny it

If anyone asks me if I own guns I always say no because it's none of their fucking business

 

[Skull Pilot]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/10-safest-states-in-america
10 Safest States in America

10. Pennsylvanian Blue State Large Population
9. Wyoming Red State Almost NO population
8. Rhode Island Blue State Moderate Population
7 Virginia Purple State Moderate Population
6. Connecticut Blue State Low Population
5. Idaho Red State Almost NO Population
4 New Jersey Blue State Heavy Population
3 New Hampshire Blue State Low Population
2 Vermont Blue State Low Population
And the Number One safest place to live in the United States is,,,,,,,,,wait for it.......
1. Maine Blue State Low Population

Do you see something here? Not one state below a certain line in the US except for Virginia. The areas that are not "Almost No Population" that are Red Controlled are the most dangerous places to live. These are also the most heavily armed. The top 10 states also have the lowest incarceration rate in comparison to your other states. There are a lot of reasons for this but "More Guns" is not one of them. I have already stated what these places have all done to lower crime rate and increase the favor of it's populations. The more you fight the methods they have implemented the longer it's going to take to get the rest of the nation to join them in prosperity. And that hate you keep spewing isn't helping either.

The worst shooting galleries in this country are controlled by democrat mayors, often the democrat party has controlled them for decades....

It isn't law abiding gun owners.... it is democrat judges who let repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail with a revolving door policy, and generations of teenage mothers raising young males without fathers....

And the 25 years of actual, real life experience of more Americans owning and carrying guns shows you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Household gun ownership hasn't moved.
The quantity of guns possessed by those households has skyrocketed though.
Are you saying that those owners are ouit there keeping everyone safe like Batman?
A more likely reason for the drop in crime rates is the reduction in lead levels in the environment.

View attachment 210132 Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic

Sick Kids Are Just the Beginning of America’s Lead CrisisView attachment 210134 ​

Wrong... again.... on top of this below, you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns...considering the newspapers that published the names of gun owners in their papers after Sandy Hook.....they aren't going to let left wing asshats like you endanger their families.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

------

NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

"you have to understand that gun owners are not telling pollsters that they own guns"
Yet, somehow, you have access to the "real information"?

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

Because it's none of their fucking business

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Your Communist was someone that was bagged on his opening days. Even if he wouldn't have been so stupid, he would have been tripped up sooner than later. Cadets are just College Students and he is a first year college student. You have no idea how things work in the US Military but yet you gum yer jaws.

Now, if we armed every civilian, how do you know that you aren't also arming the criminals? Do we make it a law that all Criminals must have a Red C tattooed on the Foreheads? More guns won't make things better. It just will makes things worse when the Criminals just shoot you and get it over with because you just might be armed. And who makes the determination who gets the Big Red C tattooed on their foreheads? Is there going to be a Panel that makes those calls? Those of us that disagree with you will also disagree with your panel and can look forward to you and yours trying to tattoo that big red C on our foreheads. Should make it easy to round us up. Except, we are already armed and will take exception to you and yours who will try and take away the sanity and replace it with your Martial Law. You can talk about individual freedom all you want but in the end, you only want the freedom for your own kind. There are those of us that want it for everyone and are not only willing to lay it on the line but have already done so.

I demand a street that anyone can feel safe enough to walk down without a weapon of any kind. I demand a home that isn't under attack. I demand a lot of things. But you don't seem to want to cooperate in getting those things. Putting more guns in the Citizens hands doesn't work. It appears that even the Criminal is a Citizen and will stand in line to get those guns as well. Since you don't really care how a citizen gets those guns, I guess the illegal proliferation that a Criminal does to get his is no different. Yes, let's put more guns on the streets. And put them in the hands of people not really qualified emotionally to use them justly. The Criminals will like that. They'll just harvest the guns and have more guns. There are other methods that give me what I demand but not as long as your bunch keep screaming "More Guns" and "It's the Black Guys Fault". Then you condemn a Community that starts those programs to make their streets safer and lowers criminal activity. And they do it without "More Guns". Now, that really gets you in the short Gonads, don't it.

All of that is false.

2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone graduated from West Point. Not a "1st year" as you claim.
West Point grad behind pro-communist photos reportedly was flagged to superiors in 2015

Most of the armed forces are not like you, most are loyal and patriotic Americans. If you think the military will stage a coup to crush the civil rights of Americans, you're simply nuts.

Criminals are already armed. You seek to disarm the law abiding. You want a nation of sheep who cannot defend themselves or their property. Tyrants from the beginning of time have thought that disarming the masses is the path to ruling. It rarely works.

He was bagged his first year of active duty. He never made the cut.

Most Armed Forces are exactly like me. We are loyal to our Nation, Our Constitution and each other. You keep wanting to overthrow the Consitution to suit your own ends. Your Revolution will never succeed.

Criminals for the most part are not armed. Most use thug tactics more than anything else. But if everyone that would be their victim were to be armed then they would become armed as well. What you demand is that we usurp the duties and responsibilities of our Police Forces and replace them with Vigilantes. Not going to be tolerated by civilized people. WE are a nation of laws and our Police Forces are there to keep those laws. You keep forgetting that. You want a safer street, have a better trained and numbered police force that works closely with the Community. And get JOBS into those areas. NYC has been working on doing that and their crime rate keeps going down. It's got along way to go. But it's a start.

The more you keep trying to instill fear into things the messier things are going to be and the more people will be killed.

You don't know what you are talking about..... you make stuff up in your mind and then you post it as if it is true..... it isn't.

This is the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And the decrease had NOTHING to do with the number of guns. No study has ever been accredited to prove that. Never. What has affected the decrease has been the better law enforcement, working with the Community and getting jobs back into depressed areas. You know, the very things that you would rather spend millions on lobbying for "More Guns" than investing in America. You keep trying to scare people into buying more guns. Well, cupcake, it's worked pretty well in the past but it's slowly being seen as it really is and that is fear. And I don't feel particularly fearful today. Now, stop making shit up.

At best guns are neutral.

More guns doesn't mean less crime nor just as more guns doesn't mean more crime

Finally, you see the light. Now if only your little buddy would as well and stop with this "More Guns" bs. We have enough guns. We have plenty of guns. And they don't change a danged thing in the long run.

 

[Skull Pilot]

All of that is false.

2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone graduated from West Point. Not a "1st year" as you claim.
West Point grad behind pro-communist photos reportedly was flagged to superiors in 2015

Most of the armed forces are not like you, most are loyal and patriotic Americans. If you think the military will stage a coup to crush the civil rights of Americans, you're simply nuts.

Criminals are already armed. You seek to disarm the law abiding. You want a nation of sheep who cannot defend themselves or their property. Tyrants from the beginning of time have thought that disarming the masses is the path to ruling. It rarely works.

He was bagged his first year of active duty. He never made the cut.

Most Armed Forces are exactly like me. We are loyal to our Nation, Our Constitution and each other. You keep wanting to overthrow the Consitution to suit your own ends. Your Revolution will never succeed.

Criminals for the most part are not armed. Most use thug tactics more than anything else. But if everyone that would be their victim were to be armed then they would become armed as well. What you demand is that we usurp the duties and responsibilities of our Police Forces and replace them with Vigilantes. Not going to be tolerated by civilized people. WE are a nation of laws and our Police Forces are there to keep those laws. You keep forgetting that. You want a safer street, have a better trained and numbered police force that works closely with the Community. And get JOBS into those areas. NYC has been working on doing that and their crime rate keeps going down. It's got along way to go. But it's a start.

The more you keep trying to instill fear into things the messier things are going to be and the more people will be killed.

You don't know what you are talking about..... you make stuff up in your mind and then you post it as if it is true..... it isn't.

This is the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And the decrease had NOTHING to do with the number of guns. No study has ever been accredited to prove that. Never. What has affected the decrease has been the better law enforcement, working with the Community and getting jobs back into depressed areas. You know, the very things that you would rather spend millions on lobbying for "More Guns" than investing in America. You keep trying to scare people into buying more guns. Well, cupcake, it's worked pretty well in the past but it's slowly being seen as it really is and that is fear. And I don't feel particularly fearful today. Now, stop making shit up.

At best guns are neutral.

More guns doesn't mean less crime nor just as more guns doesn't mean more crime

Finally, you see the light. Now if only your little buddy would as well and stop with this "More Guns" bs. We have enough guns. We have plenty of guns. And they don't change a danged thing in the long run.

FYI I've never said anything else.

I have always said that guns do not cause crime

And if guns don't change a damned thing then why not have more?

If guns don't change a damned thing why do you want more regulation?

The fact is that 99.999% of people who own guns will never commit a crime

 

[Natural Citizen]

Can you tell us why a law abiding gun owner would admit to an anonymous phone caller that they had guns in their home?

I've always wondered why an American citizen would be compelled to provide information about himself or herself in order to require a gun in the first place what with shall not be infringed and whatnot. And I've always wondered why a law abiding citizen would be compelled to provide that information to a strictly limited government which clearly lacks constitutional authority to compel that a citizen provide it at all. Or to compel one to provide information against himself or herself at all, for that matter.

Can you tell us why, dear patriot?

 

[Natural Citizen]

NICS background checks.....

Background checks violate the 1st amendment because the government compels Individuals to speak and to provide information about themselves. Background checks are a violation of the 5th amendment because the Individual is compelled by the government to provide evidence against himself or herself in order to require a gun. Background checks are a violation of the 10th amendment because the requirement for the Individual to provide this information is not an explicitly stated power of the federal government in the Constitution.

And the Framers warned us about standing army. Remember? They also asked the question of the proper role of government. They had a revolution and they wrote a Constitution. They decided that the proper role of government was to protect Individual liberty.

Why, you're no patriot at all, Mr. 2aguy. You're no patriot at all.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He was bagged his first year of active duty. He never made the cut.

Most Armed Forces are exactly like me. We are loyal to our Nation, Our Constitution and each other. You keep wanting to overthrow the Consitution to suit your own ends. Your Revolution will never succeed.

Criminals for the most part are not armed. Most use thug tactics more than anything else. But if everyone that would be their victim were to be armed then they would become armed as well. What you demand is that we usurp the duties and responsibilities of our Police Forces and replace them with Vigilantes. Not going to be tolerated by civilized people. WE are a nation of laws and our Police Forces are there to keep those laws. You keep forgetting that. You want a safer street, have a better trained and numbered police force that works closely with the Community. And get JOBS into those areas. NYC has been working on doing that and their crime rate keeps going down. It's got along way to go. But it's a start.

The more you keep trying to instill fear into things the messier things are going to be and the more people will be killed.

You don't know what you are talking about..... you make stuff up in your mind and then you post it as if it is true..... it isn't.

This is the truth...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And the decrease had NOTHING to do with the number of guns. No study has ever been accredited to prove that. Never. What has affected the decrease has been the better law enforcement, working with the Community and getting jobs back into depressed areas. You know, the very things that you would rather spend millions on lobbying for "More Guns" than investing in America. You keep trying to scare people into buying more guns. Well, cupcake, it's worked pretty well in the past but it's slowly being seen as it really is and that is fear. And I don't feel particularly fearful today. Now, stop making shit up.

At best guns are neutral.

More guns doesn't mean less crime nor just as more guns doesn't mean more crime

Finally, you see the light. Now if only your little buddy would as well and stop with this "More Guns" bs. We have enough guns. We have plenty of guns. And they don't change a danged thing in the long run.

FYI I've never said anything else.

I have always said that guns do not cause crime

And if guns don't change a damned thing then why not have more?

If guns don't change a damned thing why do you want more regulation?

The fact is that 99.999% of people who own guns will never commit a crime

Easy answer. In the Rural areas, Gun Regulations aren't needed that much. Lower Population Densities have less gun problems per capita. Meanwhile, the higher Population Densities don't really have any more per capita either but with more people per square inch, gun problems are intensified many times over. What we need is to follow the original intent of the 1791 Constitution and allow the States and lesser Governments to make their own laws to better fit their own needs. What I see is both fringe sides want to impress on everyone else their own views. I grew up in a very rural area and we did have a couple of deaths with guns but they were hunting accidents. Not bad for almost 20 years, you get right down to it. We did have one murder where the Mayor was shot by his jealous Mistress when he refused to leave his wife. No amount of gun regulations would have prevented those. You will find that anger issues are lower in a low population area.

Meanwhile, inner cities have a very special problem where guns become very dangerous if allowed to be in too many numbers on the streets. And yes, this includes criminals as well as civilians. Hence the need for CCW but not Open Carry. We already have too many petty arguments that are being settle by someone going out and getting his gun and coming back into the building and shooting someone or others. For every hero that stops a bad guy, you will find many more that try to settle a petty argument with a gun. Anger issues are higher in a high population area. Therefore, the Large Population Areas need different laws.

More or less guns have no affect in this case. But the one size fits all gun laws or the lack thereof can't be allowed to happen.