Anti-Corporatist Party?

I like the idea, but you need to work on the name. The Anti-Corporatist Party isn't going to get it done.

:D Agreed. Any suggestions?

I don't know, something on the theme of balance or equilibrium or something like that.

A platform that recognizes that socialism doesn't work, but also believes that even though pure capitalism works extremely efficiently, it's far too cruel to be left completely unmitigated.
 
not enough in common.

libertarians solution to too much money in politics is to end all regulations making it so there is no way to end or curtail the money controling our government and everything else.

What??

LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other
 
not enough in common.

libertarians solution to too much money in politics is to end all regulations making it so there is no way to end or curtail the money controling our government and everything else.

What??

LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other

HA!!

Like the tentsters even know what Glass Steagal is :rofl:
 
not enough in common.

libertarians solution to too much money in politics is to end all regulations making it so there is no way to end or curtail the money controling our government and everything else.

What??

LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other

I bet that hurt

:badgrin:
 
not enough in common.

libertarians solution to too much money in politics is to end all regulations making it so there is no way to end or curtail the money controling our government and everything else.

What??

LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other


Ron Paul actually supports Glass Steagall.

There are different factions within libertarianism just like there are in other ideology. Ron Paul calls himself a Civil Libertarian which I would classify myself as too based on the wiki definition.


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Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that supports civil liberties, or which emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms over and against any kind of authority (such as a state, a corporation, social norms imposed through peer pressure, etc).[1] Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left in modern politics.[2]

The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and security without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens. One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on pornography, hate speech, and obscenity. Although they may or may not personally condone behaviors associated with these issues, civil libertarians hold that the advantages of unfettered public discourse outweigh all disadvantages.[citation needed]

In the light of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, civil libertarians are also concerned over the state of personal liberties and freedoms in the face of increased national security.[citation needed]

Other civil libertarian positions include support for at least partial legalization of illicit substances (marijuana, etc.), a strong demarcation between religion and politics, and, more recently, support for gay marriage. The most prominent civil libertarian organization in the United States today is the American Civil Liberties Union.[citation needed]

In the past 20 years, with the advent of personal computers, the Internet, email, cell phones, and other information technology advances, a subset of civil libertarianism has arisen that focuses on protecting individuals’ digital rights and privacy. The organization most closely affiliated with this sort of civil libertarianism is the Electronic Frontier Foundation.[citation needed]


Civil libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I'd like to discuss the possibility of some kind of coalition party focusing on the common interests of groups currently ignored by the major parties. I'm specifically interested in the overlapping concerns of libertarians (and libertarian leaning conservatives) and OWS progressives. Is there enough common cause between the two groups? Would such a group offer a viable alternatives the status quo parties?

Here's a list of what I see as areas of common interest, and areas of disagreement. What do you all think? Please add to the list if you see anything else.

Agreement:

  1. Opposition to corporate/government collusion. (corpoare welfare etc...)
  2. Opposition to the warfare state
  3. Support for individual rights

Possible points of contention:

  1. Welfare state
  2. Economic freedom

Obviously, there are more. Any thoughts?

Opposition to corporate/government collusion? This is the problem with that and how Democrats and Republicans think different.

Democrats understand that what is best for the country is "Government, Corporations, and Universities" working together. That's when good things happen.

Republicans want to turn over leadership and government to Corporations. They believe Universities are "hotbeds of liberalism", education is bad and they want to "shrink government to a size where it can be drowned in a bath tub (quote from Grover Norquist - the man most Republican leadership has pledged to over the US Constitution).

Democrats think in terms of "investing in America" and "education for everyone".

Republicans believe in "let him die" and "every man for himself" and "Americans helping Americans is socialism".

The old Republican party didn't feel that way. But this new one has been subverted by loony religious nuts and right wing extremists.
 
Democrats understand that what is best for the country is "Government, Corporations, and Universities" working together. That's when good things happen.

First prize for the "It's not Fascism when we do it award"! Congratulations.

Checking in on 40+ years of government, corporations and universities working together:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Hey, we're up to $134,346 owed by each and every taxpayer. Good things are indeed happening! Say, how will you be paying your share?
 
Opposition to corporate/government collusion? This is the problem with that and how Democrats and Republicans think different.

That's pretty naive, Dean. Both parties are corrupt and that's our problem If it were just the Republicans that had been bought off, we could solve the whole mess just by voting in Democrats and that's exactly what would happen.

Surely the last few years have taught us that that ISN'T a solution all by itself. Or did you forget that we DID vote in Democrats in 2008?
 
LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other

Yeah. I have no doubt that's the line we'll be hearing from partisan Democrats and Republicans. But plenty of people are fed up with the party lines and I see those lines shifting. I think there's a real opportunity to generate support for broad support opposing the powers now dominating our government.
 
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I'd like to discuss the possibility of some kind of coalition party focusing on the common interests of groups currently ignored by the major parties. I'm specifically interested in the overlapping concerns of libertarians (and libertarian leaning conservatives) and OWS progressives. Is there enough common cause between the two groups? Would such a group offer a viable alternatives the status quo parties?

Here's a list of what I see as areas of common interest, and areas of disagreement. What do you all think? Please add to the list if you see anything else.

Agreement:

  1. Opposition to corporate/government collusion. (corpoare welfare etc...)
  2. Opposition to the warfare state
  3. Support for individual rights

Possible points of contention:

  1. Welfare state
  2. Economic freedom

Obviously, there are more. Any thoughts?

Uhmmm---

I am for some "corporate/government collusion" such as corporate/organizational welfare when lack of it threatens our economic progress or social stability.

When it comes to the welfare state, I see some use for it, but over all we need to encourage productivity in the citizenry and try to suppress its growth.

Individual rights and freedom are necessary for economic growth and the eventual construction of new corporations and organizations.

Without individual rights, different perspectives are drowned out, new ideas are suppressed.
 
not enough in common.

libertarians solution to too much money in politics is to end all regulations making it so there is no way to end or curtail the money controling our government and everything else.

What??

LIBERTARIANS AND OWS DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN COMMON.

its very clear.

Libertarians think there should be none or very little regualtions on industries and commerse.

OWS want sound regulations like Glass Steagal to control the excesses of commerse.

They are diameterically opposed to each other

Allow me to interpret your post for the rational and non-delusional crowd out there. Libertarians believe in personal responsibility and OWS wants a nanny state that provides for all their needs from cradle to grave.

You're welcome.
 
Uhmmm---

I am for some "corporate/government collusion" such as corporate/organizational welfare when lack of it threatens our economic progress or social stability.

Well, that's the excuse for pretty much all corporate/government collusion, so I'm not sure how successful we'll be if we start picking and choosing. I honestly think we need something along the lines of separation of church and state, that keeps economic and political interests in separate arenas. I think it's the only way we'll ever get a handle on influence peddling (if it's not for sale, no one will be buying). As soon as you start making exceptions and allowing government to 'partner' with business, business will start figuring out ways to manipulate it to increase profits.

That's not to say government shouldn't enforce laws pertaining to business. Separation of church and state doesn't mean that religions can commit crimes in the name of their beliefs, or that they aren't subject to laws preventing them from victimizing people. But it does mean government doesn't get to play favorites with religion. It can't endorse religions, or discourage them. It can't offer special tax breaks to religions that do it's bidding or penalize those who don't.

That's exactly the kind of separation we need between business and government. It doesn't mean corporations get to run hog-wild. It means they can't use government to gain competitive advantage, whether it's lobbying for special tax breaks, or pushing for regulation that blocks competition.

If what you're looking for (and it sounds like it might be) is a government that enlists business to increase it's own power (and vice-versa), then this probably isn't a political ideology you'd be in favor of.
 
How about the Independence party? Signifying a break from the status quo and at the same time hearkening back to the Declaration of Independance. It might also appeal to those who call themselves Independants.
 
How about the Independence party? Signifying a break from the status quo and at the same time hearkening back to the Declaration of Independance. It might also appeal to those who call themselves Independants.

I like that. Kinda vague - but no more so than the existing majors.
 
So what would you do differently aside from ideologically? If you could form a party from the ground up what would you use from the current systems and what would you scrap? How would the platform be decided? Candidates? Do you like the caucus/primary system?
 

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