Anti-Americanism: What is it?

[rtwngAvngr]

Is it anti-american to wish to see the role and influence of the United States in world affairs diminished? I believe it is anti american.

I know you libs will say you don't want to diminish U.S. influence, you just don't believe Bush is growing our influence "in the right way". It's the same nonsensical way you deprive Bush of any credit for elections in Iraq and the spread of democracy in the mideast by saying "that wasn't the reason given". But yet you also believe Bush planned the invasion from the first moment he was in office. SO which is it?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

A descriptive definition that comes to mind:

It's a herd of supposedly superior socialist asses...er, donkeys...being led on a blind traitorous trek spiraling downward into the canyon of communism.

:cof:

 

[IControlThePast]

Well what if we had to make a choice between influence and current power? You could say that a short term sacrifice in influence could have a long term benefit if it gives us the short term power needed to survive as a nation if a harrowing situation arises.

I definately do not think that criticizing actions taken by America (called hate-America first) is not un-American. If anything, it is more patriotic to point out shortfallings in the past so they can be recognized and corrected.

 

[nosarcasm]

Is it anti-american to wish to see the role and influence of the United States in world affairs diminished? I believe it is anti american.

I know you libs will say you don't want to diminish U.S. influence, you just don't believe Bush is growing our influence "in the right way". It's the same nonsensical way you deprive Bush of any credit for elections in Iraq and the spread of democracy in the mideast by saying "that wasn't the reason given". But yet you also believe Bush planned the invasion from the first moment he was in office. SO which is it?

I d say the isolationist would be an accpetion to that rule.
Otherwise yes.

 

[manu1959]

Well what if we had to make a choice between influence and current power? You could say that a short term sacrifice in influence could have a long term benefit if it gives us the short term power needed to survive as a nation if a harrowing situation arises.

I definately do not think that criticizing actions taken by America (called hate-America first) is not un-American. If anything, it is more patriotic to point out shortfallings in the past so they can be recognized and corrected.

so when i said bill clinton should be impeached for geting blow jobs in the oval office i was doing my duty?

 

[IControlThePast]

so when i said bill clinton should be impeached for geting blow jobs in the oval office i was doing my duty?

No, but when you said he should be impeached for lying about it you were.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I d say the isolationist would be an accpetion to that rule.
Otherwise yes.

But isolationism is suicide in the nuclear era.

 

[nosarcasm]

I am not an isolationist and disagree with them but they are not
anti american by any means. They d like to go back in their shell.
I can understand their desires but I agree with you,l not suitable in a globalized world.

 

[IControlThePast]

But isolationism is suicide in the nuclear era.

You could say the same about war

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You could say the same about war

War isn't suicide if you win, dumbass.

 

[BR-549]

but which rapidly spread throughout the world after WWII. This disease now has its center in Europe but a severe strain has developed in the United States. Luckily this disease is somewhat limited to college campuses, particularly faculty, liberal neo-communists, the press, and, of course, much of the Democratic party.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

but which rapidly spread throughout the world after WWII. This disease now has its center in Europe but a severe strain has developed in the United States. Luckily this disease is somewhat limited to college campuses, particularly faculty, liberal neo-communists, the press, and, of course, much of the Democratic party.

What's funny is how mad liberals get when you call their anti-americanism "anti-americanism". They will sit and bitch about the u.s., advocate policies which would clearly weaken the u.s., and then get shocked and indignant when you call them anti american. Their brains are a sad joke.

 

[manu1959]

What's funny is how mad liberals get when you call their anti-americanism "anti-americanism". They will sit and bitch about the u.s., advocate policies which would clearly weaken the u.s., and then get shocked and indignant when you call them anti american. Their brains are a sad joke.

maybe if you do it in the form of a haiku and call it art

 

[nosarcasm]

Some say accept for the whole nuclear war.

I was in the German army in 1988
as an anti tank Panzergrenadier north of the Fulda gap.

During the extended anti tank training our instructor gave us this speech.

Sarge:

If you do a very good job and stop the Russians at the river, they
ll more then likely use tactical nukes and VX gas to brake through.

If you really suck and are still alive you can watch the French and American t nukes "close" the gap for you.

Now you wonder where is the difference if you fight or not.
I can tell you the difference is either you sent some Commies to hell yourself and die a hero or else die as a traitor and coward. :firing:

Some translation from my memories so I hope it makes sense.

 

[IControlThePast]

War isn't suicide if you win, dumbass.

It is is both countries have nukes and use them. Plus, you don't always win.

If it will soothe your inferiority complex, I'll just admit you're smarter than me

 

[nosarcasm]

It is is both countries have nukes and use them. Plus, you don't always win.

If it will soothe your inferiority complex, I'll just admit you're smarter than me

you have to be willing to fight so that the enemy just cant bully you
to submission imo.

 

[IControlThePast]

you have to be willing to fight so that the enemy just cant bully you
to submission imo.

There is a difference though between a pre emptive attack and a response. You need to be willing to fight if attacked, but not start fights. Part of the MAD equation is the response, so it is necessary to make it obvious you will retaliate if attacked.

 

[nosarcasm]

true in the nuclear szenario. Im the war against Islamic extremist
it is different. If they dont like or hate you all you can instill is fear
and submission comes due to the use of bloodshed.

Israel demonstrated thay succesfully against the intifada.

 

[IControlThePast]

true in the nuclear szenario. Im the war against Islamic extremist
it is different. If they dont like or hate you all you can instill is fear
and submission comes due to the use of bloodshed.

Israel demonstrated thay succesfully against the intifada.

Well, the way I see it, nuclear weapons are already over 60 year old technology, ancient by any military standards. We can't expect to keep the Middle East from having nukes forever, and they definately hold a grudge a long time down there. We shouldn't go ahead and let people hand them nukes, but that conflict will turn nuclear eventually.

You can instill fear by their fear of our response, but that doesn't necessarily mean attacking preemptively.

 

[Bonnie]

There is a difference though between a pre emptive attack and a response. You need to be willing to fight if attacked, but not start fights. Part of the MAD equation is the response, so it is necessary to make it obvious you will retaliate if attacked.

Im curious as to what you think of Reagans peace thru strength policies??