Antarctic Ice Breaks All Records

[Katzndogz]

Extent of Antarctic sea ice reaches record levels scientists say - ABC News Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Scientists say the extent of Antarctic sea ice cover is at its highest level since records began.
Satellite imagery reveals an area of about 20 million square kilometres covered by sea ice around the Antarctic continent.
Jan Lieser from the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre (CRC) said the discovery was made two days ago.
"This is an area covered by sea ice which we've never seen from space before," he said.

Will the warming cult finally admit they were lying all along?

 

[Mr. H.]

In 3... 2...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

breaks ice records...er, BECAUSE of manmade global warming, just as predicted by the AGWCult 100% Retroactively Accurate models

 

[mamooth]

Frank, you know the models predicted the ice growth back in 1991., It's been pointed out to your before. Yet you choose to lie and claim it was done retroactively. Lies like that are why everyone correctly classifies you as an acolyte of a liars' cult.

Back in the land of non-cultists, the fact that the AGW theories and models have been proven correct yet another time gives more confidence in AGW theory. Too bad the denier cultists don't have a similar record of success. That's mainly because they're too gutless to make any predictions. Real science, such as AGW science, makes falsifiable predictions. Pseudoscience cults like the deniers merely scream a lot and refuse to make any falsifiable predictions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank, you know the models predicted the ice growth back in 1991., It's been pointed out to your before. Yet you choose to lie and claim it was done retroactively. Lies like that are why everyone correctly classifies you as an acolyte of a liars' cult.

Back in the land of non-cultists, the fact that the AGW theories and models have been proven correct yet another time gives more confidence in AGW theory. Too bad the denier cultists don't have a similar record of success. That's mainly because they're too gutless to make any predictions. Real science, such as AGW science, makes falsifiable predictions. Pseudoscience cults like the deniers merely scream a lot and refuse to make any falsifiable predictions.

Ice free is predicting ice growth?

 

[IanC]

One study out of fifty said Antarctic sea ice would grow, so he ignores the other 49. That is the AGW way.

I think that the Antarctic sea ice is more important than Arctic sea ice because it is at a lower latitude and therefore affcts albedo and absorption more strongly.

 

[Crick]

I think the numbers were a little better than that.

scholarly papers predicting increased antarctic sea ice - Google Scholar

 

[elektra]

Frank, you know the models predicted the ice growth back in 1991., It's been pointed out to your before. Yet you choose to lie and claim it was done retroactively. Lies like that are why everyone correctly classifies you as an acolyte of a liars' cult.

Back in the land of non-cultists, the fact that the AGW theories and models have been proven correct yet another time gives more confidence in AGW theory. Too bad the denier cultists don't have a similar record of success. That's mainly because they're too gutless to make any predictions. Real science, such as AGW science, makes falsifiable predictions. Pseudoscience cults like the deniers merely scream a lot and refuse to make any falsifiable predictions.

How come they could not predict they would get stuck in the Ice, in a big ole ship, researching the loss of ice, when you state they new of this massive freezing way back when?

Contradictions, deflect away with a flame, maMOOT

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think the numbers were a little better than that.

scholarly papers predicting increased antarctic sea ice - Google Scholar

How many scholarly papers predicted less ice...hmmmmm?

You had 712 I had 400...heads its AGW, tails its agw

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, as the ocean around Antarctica freshens from the ice melted out of the glaciers extending into the sea, and the ice shelves, you get more sea ice. However, the ice on the continent itself is in decline.

Record decline of ice sheets Scientists map elevation changes of Greenlandic and Antarctic glaciers -- ScienceDaily

ry:
Researchers have for the first time extensively mapped Greenland's and Antarctica's ice sheets with the help of the ESA satellite CryoSat-2 and have thus been able to prove that the ice crusts of both regions momentarily decline at an unprecedented rate. In total the ice sheets are losing around 500 cubic kilometers of ice per year.

 

[elektra]

Yes, as the ocean around Antarctica freshens from the ice melted out of the glaciers extending into the sea, and the ice shelves, you get more sea ice. However, the ice on the continent itself is in decline.

Record decline of ice sheets Scientists map elevation changes of Greenlandic and Antarctic glaciers -- ScienceDaily

ry:
Researchers have for the first time extensively mapped Greenland's and Antarctica's ice sheets with the help of the ESA satellite CryoSat-2 and have thus been able to prove that the ice crusts of both regions momentarily decline at an unprecedented rate. In total the ice sheets are losing around 500 cubic kilometers of ice per year.

Mapped for the first time, hence no idea of the past, so all the computer models were based on fictional numbers.

Old Crock inevitably, inadvertently, links facts that disputes Old Crock's own post.

 

[Crick]

Is it possible that you will ever post anything indicating you know what you're talking about?

From the OP's linked article:

On the basis of further CrysoSat-2 the scientists also documented how the elevation has changed over the 2011-2014 period. Ice sheets gain mass through snowfall and lose it due to melting and accelerating glaciers, which carry ice from the interior of the ice sheet to the ocean. "We need to understand where and to which extent the ice thickness across the glaciers has changed. Only then can we can analyse the drivers of these changes and find out how much ice sheets contribute to global sea level rise," says Veit Helm.

The team derived the elevation change maps using over 200 million SIRAL data points for Antarctica and around 14.3 million data points for Greenland. The results reveal that Greenland alone is reducing in volume by about 375 cubic kilometres per year. "When we compare the current data with those from the ICESat satellite from the year 2009, the volume loss in Greenland has doubled since then. The loss of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has in the same time span increased by a factor of 3. Combined the two ice sheets are thinning at a rate of 500 cubic kilometres per year. That is the highest rate observed since altimetry satellite records began about 20 years ago," says AWI glaciologist Prof. Dr. Angelika Humbert, another of the study's authors.

The areas where the researchers detected the largest elevation changes were Jakobshavn Isbrae (Jakobshavn Glacier) in West Greenland and Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica. Since February 2014 scientists know that the Jakobshavn Isbrae is moving ice into the ocean at a record speed of up to 46 meters a day. The Pine Island Glacier hit the headlines in July 2013. Back then AWI scientists reported that a table iceberg as large as the area of Hamburg had broken off the tip of its ice shelf.

But whereas both the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Peninsula, on the far west of the continent, are rapidly losing volume, East Antarctica is gaining volume -- though at a moderate rate that doesn't compensate the losses on the other side of the continent.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, as the ocean around Antarctica freshens from the ice melted out of the glaciers extending into the sea, and the ice shelves, you get more sea ice. However, the ice on the continent itself is in decline.

Record decline of ice sheets Scientists map elevation changes of Greenlandic and Antarctic glaciers -- ScienceDaily

ry:
Researchers have for the first time extensively mapped Greenland's and Antarctica's ice sheets with the help of the ESA satellite CryoSat-2 and have thus been able to prove that the ice crusts of both regions momentarily decline at an unprecedented rate. In total the ice sheets are losing around 500 cubic kilometers of ice per year.

Mapped for the first time, hence no idea of the past, so all the computer models were based on fictional numbers.

Old Crock inevitably, inadvertently, links facts that disputes Old Crock's own post.

Mapped for the first time? Damn, you do love to demonstrate how you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

 

[elektra]

Yes, as the ocean around Antarctica freshens from the ice melted out of the glaciers extending into the sea, and the ice shelves, you get more sea ice. However, the ice on the continent itself is in decline.

Record decline of ice sheets Scientists map elevation changes of Greenlandic and Antarctic glaciers -- ScienceDaily

ry:
Researchers have for the first time extensively mapped Greenland's and Antarctica's ice sheets with the help of the ESA satellite CryoSat-2 and have thus been able to prove that the ice crusts of both regions momentarily decline at an unprecedented rate. In total the ice sheets are losing around 500 cubic kilometers of ice per year.

Mapped for the first time, hence no idea of the past, so all the computer models were based on fictional numbers.

Old Crock inevitably, inadvertently, links facts that disputes Old Crock's own post.

Mapped for the first time? Damn, you do love to demonstrate how you pull 'facts' out of your ass.

Says it in old crock's post, first time mapped.

a fact is a fact no matter where it comes from.

 

[skookerasbil]

lol.....the AGW k00ks can spin anything to fit the agenda!!!

The k00ks in here take it straight from the professionals >>>

"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports


The Green Agenda

 

[Crick]

Is it possible that you will ever post anything indicating you know what you're talking about?

From the OP's linked article:

On the basis of further CrysoSat-2 the scientists also documented how the elevation has changed over the 2011-2014 period. Ice sheets gain mass through snowfall and lose it due to melting and accelerating glaciers, which carry ice from the interior of the ice sheet to the ocean. "We need to understand where and to which extent the ice thickness across the glaciers has changed. Only then can we can analyse the drivers of these changes and find out how much ice sheets contribute to global sea level rise," says Veit Helm.

The team derived the elevation change maps using over 200 million SIRAL data points for Antarctica and around 14.3 million data points for Greenland. The results reveal that Greenland alone is reducing in volume by about 375 cubic kilometres per year. "When we compare the current data with those from the ICESat satellite from the year 2009, the volume loss in Greenland has doubled since then. The loss of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has in the same time span increased by a factor of 3. Combined the two ice sheets are thinning at a rate of 500 cubic kilometres per year. That is the highest rate observed since altimetry satellite records began about 20 years ago," says AWI glaciologist Prof. Dr. Angelika Humbert, another of the study's authors.

The areas where the researchers detected the largest elevation changes were Jakobshavn Isbrae (Jakobshavn Glacier) in West Greenland and Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica. Since February 2014 scientists know that the Jakobshavn Isbrae is moving ice into the ocean at a record speed of up to 46 meters a day. The Pine Island Glacier hit the headlines in July 2013. Back then AWI scientists reported that a table iceberg as large as the area of Hamburg had broken off the tip of its ice shelf.

But whereas both the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Peninsula, on the far west of the continent, are rapidly losing volume, East Antarctica is gaining volume -- though at a moderate rate that doesn't compensate the losses on the other side of the continent.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Frank, you know the models predicted the ice growth back in 1991., It's been pointed out to your before. Yet you choose to lie and claim it was done retroactively. Lies like that are why everyone correctly classifies you as an acolyte of a liars' cult.
<drivel snip>

The models were incapable of showing ice growth and this was an inherent problem with early models. In-fact, any form of cooling was not predicted and only runaway temperatures were predicted. The significant over estimation of GHG effect still plagues the majority of models still using older programs. Even many of today's programs have this issue. When all of the 126 known models fail, in less than 5 years, falling outside of the 90% confidence range it should be a good indicator your missing critical data.

Climate Models Fail exposes the disturbing fact that climate models being used by the IPCC for their 5th Assessment Report have very little practical value because they cannot simulate critical variables of interest to the public and policymakers. Using easy-to-read graphs, this book compares data (surface temperature, precipitation, and sea ice area) with the computer model simulations. It is very easy to see that the model outputs bear little relationship to the data. In other words, climate models create imaginary climates in virtual worlds that exhibit no similarities to the climate of the world in which we live.

Source

Source; Dr Roy Spencer

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think the numbers were a little better than that.

scholarly papers predicting increased antarctic sea ice - Google Scholar

scholarly papers predicting decreased antarctic sea ice - Google Scholar

 

[Crick]

Very nice. Of course, unlike you, we never said there was no such thing.

 

[saveliberty]

So, if you knew it was coming back all this time, why the alarmist rants about it decreasing?