Another Win For AOC!

[Toddsterpatriot]

They are moving there are they not?

1500 workers, not their HQ2.

They originally only committed 700 jobs.

HQ2s don't build themselves overnight.

The threat to move the headquarters was nothing more than an attempt to get concessions elsewhere.

They weren't moving a headquarters, they are building a new one.

And no headquarters is going to employee 25,000 people.

They have over 50,000 employees in Seattle.

If they hire fewer than 25,000 their tax break is smaller, AFAIK

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Moving HQ? Nope.

Amazon is actually using capitalism to their advantage.

They put a bid out for a new HQ and they let states compete for their business. States with high taxes have disadvantage. If they still want the HQ, they have to lower taxes.

They wanted far more than taxes. No welfare for Bezo's. Why are some of you (and you) ignoring this?

What else they wanted, please?

The question is, who would benefit at the end? Would New York be better of if Amazon HQ moved there?

Why is so hard to understand that tax incentives doesn't mean you giving company money, but that in order to bring company at mutual interest, you're agreeing to take less from that company.

Tell me, if you had money and want to build gadget factory, where would you build it... New York, Florida, or China?

It does NOT matter if New York would benefit. The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no. Is Amazon going to quit doing business because they have to foot their own bills?

What part of capitalism do we find the taxpayers being responsible for the costs of a private business?

including $2.5 billion in tax credits, $500 million in state construction subsidies and a guarantee the project could avoid New York’s laborious zoning process.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no.

Sounds good to me.
If no one ever builds anything new in a high tax jurisdiction, that's fine.

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

 

[pknopp]

Moron.....

1,500 jobs....vs 25,000 jobs...and they are putting those offices outside of her district, you moron...

Ocasio-Cortez Had A Plan With Her Tweet About Amazon...And Then It Got Punched In The Mouth

That dumb c*nt is trying to take a credit for something that she has no control over.

But yet people didn't blame her? You didn't blame her even though she had no control over the situation?

What do you know?

If she can't be blamed,

She was blamed. She also isn't taking credit, she is gloating.

It's all matter of perception. Politicians always claim they did great job, because the results of their failure are usually visible long after they're gone. Beside... Stupid people gloat over everything they do.

So people were stupid for blaming her when she had no control over the issue?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That dumb c*nt is trying to take a credit for something that she has no control over.

But yet people didn't blame her? You didn't blame her even though she had no control over the situation?

What do you know?

If she can't be blamed,

She was blamed. She also isn't taking credit, she is gloating.

It's all matter of perception. Politicians always claim they did great job, because the results of their failure are usually visible long after they're gone. Beside... Stupid people gloat over everything they do.

So people were stupid for blaming her when she had no control over the issue?

She was stupid for saying that now the $3 billion could be spent on other things.

 

[pknopp]

They originally only committed 700 jobs.

HQ2s don't build themselves overnight.

The threat to move the headquarters was nothing more than an attempt to get concessions elsewhere.

They weren't moving a headquarters, they are building a new one.

And no headquarters is going to employee 25,000 people.

They have over 50,000 employees in Seattle.

If they hire fewer than 25,000 their tax break is smaller, AFAIK

You don't.

 

[Ame®icano]

That dumb c*nt is trying to take a credit for something that she has no control over.

But yet people didn't blame her? You didn't blame her even though she had no control over the situation?

What do you know?

If she can't be blamed,

She was blamed. She also isn't taking credit, she is gloating.

It's all matter of perception. Politicians always claim they did great job, because the results of their failure are usually visible long after they're gone. Beside... Stupid people gloat over everything they do.

So people were stupid for blaming her when she had no control over the issue?

People were stupid for believing she had control over the issue. When she open her shout and tried to take a credit for it, it backfired.

FYI, this office with 1500 jobs, Amazon would open regardless of HQ deal.

 

[pknopp]

They wanted far more than taxes. No welfare for Bezo's. Why are some of you (and you) ignoring this?

What else they wanted, please?

The question is, who would benefit at the end? Would New York be better of if Amazon HQ moved there?

Why is so hard to understand that tax incentives doesn't mean you giving company money, but that in order to bring company at mutual interest, you're agreeing to take less from that company.

Tell me, if you had money and want to build gadget factory, where would you build it... New York, Florida, or China?

It does NOT matter if New York would benefit. The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no. Is Amazon going to quit doing business because they have to foot their own bills?

What part of capitalism do we find the taxpayers being responsible for the costs of a private business?

including $2.5 billion in tax credits, $500 million in state construction subsidies and a guarantee the project could avoid New York’s laborious zoning process.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no.

Sounds good to me.
If no one ever builds anything new in a high tax jurisdiction, that's fine.

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

 

[pknopp]

But yet people didn't blame her? You didn't blame her even though she had no control over the situation?

What do you know?

If she can't be blamed,

She was blamed. She also isn't taking credit, she is gloating.

It's all matter of perception. Politicians always claim they did great job, because the results of their failure are usually visible long after they're gone. Beside... Stupid people gloat over everything they do.

So people were stupid for blaming her when she had no control over the issue?

People were stupid for believing she had control over the issue. When she open her shout and tried to take a credit for it, it backfired.

FYI, this office with 1500 jobs, Amazon would open regardless of HQ deal.

She didn't take credit. She gloated.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

She was stupid for saying that now the $3 billion could be spent on other things.

She was stupid for looking at initial costs to NY to accommodate Bezos and ignoring the gold mine in employment and taxes (both to Amazon itself and suddenly a whole new work force of wage earners) New York would miss out on year after year after year.

She is the embodiment of sheer ignorance and short sighted stupidity. No one can take that away from her.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

HQ2s don't build themselves overnight.

The threat to move the headquarters was nothing more than an attempt to get concessions elsewhere.

They weren't moving a headquarters, they are building a new one.

And no headquarters is going to employee 25,000 people.

They have over 50,000 employees in Seattle.

If they hire fewer than 25,000 their tax break is smaller, AFAIK

You don't.

The subsidies offered to Amazon in New York include performance-based direct incentives of $1.525 billion based on whether the company created 25,000 jobs. This included a refundable tax credit through the state's Excelsior Program of up to $1.2 billion, calculated as a percentage of the salaries Amazon expects to pay employees over the following 10 years. Additionally, the Empire State Development Corporation would give Amazon a cash grant of $325 million based on the occupancy rates of HQ2 buildings over in the following 10 years.[47][73] Under an agreement with New York City's government, half of the property taxes for the city's HQ2 campus would be waived, and the exempt amount would go to the city's PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) fund to pay for infrastructure improvements in New York City.[74][75] Both states proposed that Amazon be given access to a helipad, and the New York state government also promised to upgrade infrastructure in conjunction with HQ2's construction there.[73]

Amazon HQ2 - Wikipedia

 

[pknopp]

The threat to move the headquarters was nothing more than an attempt to get concessions elsewhere.

They weren't moving a headquarters, they are building a new one.

And no headquarters is going to employee 25,000 people.

They have over 50,000 employees in Seattle.

If they hire fewer than 25,000 their tax break is smaller, AFAIK

You don't.

The subsidies offered to Amazon in New York include performance-based direct incentives of $1.525 billion based on whether the company created 25,000 jobs. This included a refundable tax credit through the state's Excelsior Program of up to $1.2 billion, calculated as a percentage of the salaries Amazon expects to pay employees over the following 10 years. Additionally, the Empire State Development Corporation would give Amazon a cash grant of $325 million based on the occupancy rates of HQ2 buildings over in the following 10 years.[47][73] Under an agreement with New York City's government, half of the property taxes for the city's HQ2 campus would be waived, and the exempt amount would go to the city's PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) fund to pay for infrastructure improvements in New York City.[74][75] Both states proposed that Amazon be given access to a helipad, and the New York state government also promised to upgrade infrastructure in conjunction with HQ2's construction there.[73]

Amazon HQ2 - Wikipedia

The argument has been this is simply a tax break.

would give Amazon a cash grant of $325 million

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What else they wanted, please?

The question is, who would benefit at the end? Would New York be better of if Amazon HQ moved there?

Why is so hard to understand that tax incentives doesn't mean you giving company money, but that in order to bring company at mutual interest, you're agreeing to take less from that company.

Tell me, if you had money and want to build gadget factory, where would you build it... New York, Florida, or China?

It does NOT matter if New York would benefit. The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no. Is Amazon going to quit doing business because they have to foot their own bills?

What part of capitalism do we find the taxpayers being responsible for the costs of a private business?

including $2.5 billion in tax credits, $500 million in state construction subsidies and a guarantee the project could avoid New York’s laborious zoning process.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no.

Sounds good to me.
If no one ever builds anything new in a high tax jurisdiction, that's fine.

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

She didn't take credit. She gloated.

How is this a win for AOC then? If she isn't responsible for killing the Amazon deal she can't take any credit for this.

 

[pknopp]

It does NOT matter if New York would benefit. The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no. Is Amazon going to quit doing business because they have to foot their own bills?

What part of capitalism do we find the taxpayers being responsible for the costs of a private business?

including $2.5 billion in tax credits, $500 million in state construction subsidies and a guarantee the project could avoid New York’s laborious zoning process.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no.

Sounds good to me.
If no one ever builds anything new in a high tax jurisdiction, that's fine.

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

New York is not an inexpensive place. If you want to argue that a company would be better off locating elsewhere, argue that but that is not what Amazon wanted. They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They weren't moving a headquarters, they are building a new one.

And no headquarters is going to employee 25,000 people.

They have over 50,000 employees in Seattle.

If they hire fewer than 25,000 their tax break is smaller, AFAIK

You don't.

The subsidies offered to Amazon in New York include performance-based direct incentives of $1.525 billion based on whether the company created 25,000 jobs. This included a refundable tax credit through the state's Excelsior Program of up to $1.2 billion, calculated as a percentage of the salaries Amazon expects to pay employees over the following 10 years. Additionally, the Empire State Development Corporation would give Amazon a cash grant of $325 million based on the occupancy rates of HQ2 buildings over in the following 10 years.[47][73] Under an agreement with New York City's government, half of the property taxes for the city's HQ2 campus would be waived, and the exempt amount would go to the city's PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) fund to pay for infrastructure improvements in New York City.[74][75] Both states proposed that Amazon be given access to a helipad, and the New York state government also promised to upgrade infrastructure in conjunction with HQ2's construction there.[73]

Amazon HQ2 - Wikipedia

The argument has been this is simply a tax break.

would give Amazon a cash grant of $325 million

She should tell the Empire State Development Corporation to spend that money to hire more teachers, fix subways and put a lot of people to work for that money.........

 

[pknopp]

She didn't take credit. She gloated.

How is this a win for AOC then? If she isn't responsible for killing the Amazon deal she can't take any credit for this.

I care less if it's a win for AOC. I support the idea of the government not forcing taxpayers to pay for a private businesses expenses. I support what happened here. Period.

We should take positions based upon how it affects a politician?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The things is, all states or cities need to start saying no.

Sounds good to me.
If no one ever builds anything new in a high tax jurisdiction, that's fine.

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

New York is not an inexpensive place. If you want to argue that a company would be better off locating elsewhere, argue that but that is not what Amazon wanted. They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere. I guess they decided they would be better off.

They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

New York state and NYC's high taxes and over regulation are neither fair nor capitalistic.

 

[pknopp]

Which is how it should work. Bezo's wanted the benefits of being located in New York but didn't want to pay for it.

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

New York is not an inexpensive place. If you want to argue that a company would be better off locating elsewhere, argue that but that is not what Amazon wanted. They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere. I guess they decided they would be better off.

They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

New York state and NYC's high taxes and over regulation are neither fair nor capitalistic.

They "relocated" nowhere.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who wants to pay the inflated NYC or New York state taxes?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

New York is not an inexpensive place. If you want to argue that a company would be better off locating elsewhere, argue that but that is not what Amazon wanted. They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere. I guess they decided they would be better off.

They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

New York state and NYC's high taxes and over regulation are neither fair nor capitalistic.

They "relocated" nowhere.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere

 

[pknopp]

Wanting to pay it is besides the point. If you want to go there you play by the rules that others have to. Otherwise you have a government that benefits some companies over others. Is that Capitalism?

Wanting to pay it is besides the point.

It is the point. If their rates were lower, more corporations would be there.

New York is not an inexpensive place. If you want to argue that a company would be better off locating elsewhere, argue that but that is not what Amazon wanted. They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere. I guess they decided they would be better off.

They should not get special considerations over other companies. That is neither fair or capitalistic.

New York state and NYC's high taxes and over regulation are neither fair nor capitalistic.

They "relocated" nowhere.

Without the incentives, they located elsewhere

Playing with words is not a legit argument.