Another Trouble Maker, China

[bluesky79]

Recently, China and Philippines have been fighting over Scarborough island in South China Sea. Historically, the island has been Philippine territory, and nobody dared to deny that fact.

However, from an unknown point in time, China has been claiming that the island is Chinese territory, and recently, the Chinese government banned Philippine fishermen from approaching the island.

At the moment, China is making a similar situation with Korean island... The Ieodo...

Historically, Ieodo is Korean territory, but China is claming that Ieodo is Chinese territory for security and economic reasons.
China has territory disputes with a total of 14 countries.
If China wants to be a powerful nation, it has to act like one, and not bully other countries, and create bunch of unnecessary conflicts.
How can we call such a country a G2 nation?

 

[Douger]

Recently, China and Philippines have been fighting over Scarborough island in South China Sea. Historically, the island has been Philippine territory, and nobody dared to deny that fact.

However, from an unknown point in time, China has been claiming that the island is Chinese territory, and recently, the Chinese government banned Philippine fishermen from approaching the island.

At the moment, China is making a similar situation with Korean island... The Ieodo...

Historically, Ieodo is Korean territory, but China is claming that Ieodo is Chinese territory for security and economic reasons.
China has territory disputes with a total of 14 countries.
If China wants to be a powerful nation, it has to act like one, and not bully other countries, and create bunch of unnecessary conflicts.
How can we call such a country a G2 nation?

You mean make peace with the world like murka and it's mother land of snaggle toothed inbreds ?

 

[editec]

Back before our masters depended on china's cheap workforce to make them even richer, there wouldn't be any doubt which nations we'd have backed in these border disputes.

Now?

Now US foreign policy toward China has changed.

We all know why, so let's stop kidding ourselves, shall we?

 

[waltky]

Granny says dem chink commies is itchin' fer a fight...

‘Philippines belongs to China’: CCTV
Thu, May 10, 2012 - An anchor on China’s state-run TV network has accidentally declared the Philippines a part of China, in an embarrassing gaffe as tensions between the two nations run high.

He Jia, anchor for China Central Television’s (CCTV) nationally televised news broadcast, made the claim during a late Monday broadcast that has been repeatedly replayed on the Internet. The presenter apparently meant to say that Huangyan Island — known in the Philippines as the Scarborough Shoal, and claimed by Taiwan — is part of Chinese territory. “We all know that the Philippines is China’s inherent territory and the Philippines belongs to Chinese sovereignty, this is an indisputable fact,” she said in the broadcast, which has since disappeared from the CCTV Web site, but is available elsewhere on the Web.

Viewers joked in online -postings that the presenter’s nationalistic fervor led to her mistake. “This anchor woman is great, a good patriot, she has announced to the world the Philippines belongs to China,” a microblogger named helenjhuang said. “We should attack directly, send [Philippine President Benigno] Aquino packing and take back our inherent territory.” “The Philippines have basically been making irrational trouble, if they want to start a war, then we will strike, no one fears them,” another microblogger named kongdehua said: “If every Chinese spat once, we could drown [the Philippines].”

Meanwhile, the Philippines said yesterday the US had pledged to protect it from attacks in the South China Sea, a day after China issued a warning over a territorial row in the waters. Philippine Secretary of Defence Voltaire Gazmin said he had received the assurances during talks in Washington last week in which the Philippines’ increasingly tense dispute with China over rival claims to a shoal in the sea were discussed. Gazmin said US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta stressed they were not taking sides in the dispute, but they assured the Philippines the US would honor a 1951 mutual defense treaty.

?Philippines belongs to China?: CCTV - Taipei Times

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China Threatens the Philippines After U.S. Reaffirms Commitment to Mutual Defense Treaty with Manila
May 11, 2012 – A month-long standoff between China and the Philippines over a disputed area in the South China Sea has worsened, with Chinese state media raising threats of military action while Beijing warns that its citizens in the Philippines may be at risk because of nationalistic sentiment there.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the U.S. was “urging restraint from all parties” and “discouraging any kind of escalation of tensions.” Philippine Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin this week drew attention to comments by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta – during ministerial talks in Washington on April 30 – to the effect that the U.S. was not taking sides in the territorial dispute but would honor its 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines.

Nuland on Thursday characterized the treaty assurance as routine. “In the context of the visit here, as we always do when we meet with Philippine leaders, we reconfirmed our commitment to the Mutual Defense Treaty,” she said. Article four of the treaty states in part, “Each Party recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.” Article five adds that “an armed attack on either of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack on the metropolitan territory of either of the Parties, or on the island territories under its jurisdiction in the Pacific or on its armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.”

Chinese and Philippine non-military ships have been facing off since early April in a resource-rich area known as the Scarborough Shoal, about 130 miles away from the Philippines mainland, and at least five times that far from the nearest significant Chinese territory, Hainan island. China says the shoal, which it calls Huangyan, has been Chinese for centuries; Philippine authorities say the area, which it calls Panatag, has appeared as part of the Philippines on maps dating back to the 1700s.

On April 9 Philippine authorities seized what they said was illegally harvested marine life from Chinese ships, but when a Philippine Navy warship tried to tow the Chinese vessels they were blocked by two Chinese ships. At least a dozen Chinese ships are now in the disputed area, along with some Philippine vessels, according to Philippine officials. Manila says the shoal falls well inside its 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zones (EEZ), as recognized under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea. Beijing claims all of the South China Sea, and has additional disputes there with Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei, largely over the presence of natural resources in areas where countries’ EEZs overlap. China argues that the shoal’s proximity to the Philippines is irrelevant. “There is no such principle in international law that determines territorial ownership by geographic distance,” the Xinhua news agency quoted senior State Oceanic Administration official Zhang Haiwen as saying.

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[Two Thumbs]

Recently, China and Philippines have been fighting over Scarborough island in South China Sea. Historically, the island has been Philippine territory, and nobody dared to deny that fact.

However, from an unknown point in time, China has been claiming that the island is Chinese territory, and recently, the Chinese government banned Philippine fishermen from approaching the island.

At the moment, China is making a similar situation with Korean island... The Ieodo...

Historically, Ieodo is Korean territory, but China is claming that Ieodo is Chinese territory for security and economic reasons.
China has territory disputes with a total of 14 countries.
If China wants to be a powerful nation, it has to act like one, and not bully other countries, and create bunch of unnecessary conflicts.
How can we call such a country a G2 nation?

I'd say about the time the Philippians asked us to remove our Navy base is when they started to have issues.


China wants stuff and now has the military to claim what they want. Seriously, who's going to take on that large of a country?

The US could have, before we owed them billions upon billions.

Russia? They don't want another Cold War, especially not with a country that touches.

 

[Unkotare]

You mean make peace with the world like murka and it's mother land of snaggle toothed inbreds ?

Time to teach the pony a new trick, you tiresome dimwit.

 

[Unkotare]

Russia? They don't want another Cold War, especially not with a country that touches.

Russia has never had a problem with having a problem with China. Relations between the two have never been exactly chummy.

 

[Unkotare]

The US could have.

The US can and does.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The US could have.

The US can and does.

What does the US do too China to keep them from encroaching on other countries land?

 

[Unkotare]

Our military presence in the region, for one thing...

http://atlanticsentinel.com/2012/03/all-quiet-in-the-south-china-sea/

 

[rdean]

I got the chance after I lost to John McCain last time, to go over to -- that was the good part of losing -- I got to go to the Olympic Games in China. It's pretty impressive over there how quickly they can build things, how productive they are as a society. You should see their airport compared to our airports, their highways, their train systems. They're moving quickly in part because the regulators see their job as encouraging private people. It's amazing. The head of Coca-Cola said the business environment is friendlier in China than in America. And that's because of the regulators. That's because of government.

Mitt Romney - China

Apparently, before Mitt became a "hard liner", his beliefs were somewhat different. Who is the "real" Mitt Romney. If he can't stand up for a gay employee, then he can't stand up for the millions of gays who are also a part of this country. In other words, he can't stand up for America.

 

[RoadVirus]

China claims everything within it's field of vision. Just ask the poor Tibetians.

 

[ThirdTerm]

The Philippines and China say that they want a diplomatic solution to the problem but neither side is willing to back down because there is too much at stake as the area is rich in mineral resources, natural gas and oil and both countries have stationed non-military vessels at the shoal in an effort to assert their sovereignty over the area. Moreover, China is still a Communist country with a socialist sense of ownership, where private land ownership is still forbidden and private persons only have the right to ownership of all property except land and it's natural for the Chinese government to assert exclusive ownership of the South China Sea regardless of the legality of such a claim.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I'd say about the time the Philippians asked us to remove our Navy base is when they started to have issues.

What was the number they asked for? One Billion a year just to rent the bases plus whatever expenses.

(sigh)The P.I. was a great Military Leave destination for the single man.

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says it's practice fer invadin' Taiwan...

Chinese navy makes presence felt at disputed shoal
March 27, 2013 — A Chinese amphibious task force conducted patrol and training missions at a shoal 50 miles from Malaysia’s coast Monday, furthering its assertive claims to nearly all territory in an area that most of the world considers international waters.

Chinese officials said they “were determined to safeguard the country’s sovereignty with their services on the South China Sea” during a ceremony at uninhabited James Shoal, according to Xinhua news agency and the People’s Daily Online, the Communist Party’s official newspaper. China often sends fishing boats and quasi-military surveillance ships to the hundreds of islands and reefs in the South China Sea that are also claimed by neighboring countries. The visit to James Shoal, known as Zengmu Reef to China, was unusual for the firepower brought to bear on a territory also claimed by Malaysia and Taiwan. The task force was led by the landing ship Jinggangshan, a 19,000-ton displacement, nearly 700-foot vessel considered by China military analysts to be among the more advanced of the country’s rapidly modernizing military. The craft is able to transport helicopters, marines and air-cushion landing crafts, according to analysts.

Official Chinese outlets said the show of force reasserted China’s claim to what it considers its southernmost territory. Independent outlets in the region viewed the exercise as a possible glimpse into maritime policy under new leader Xi Jinping, who is thought to have close ties to China’s military leadership. “We’ve never seen anything like this that far south in terms of quantity or quality,” Gary Li, a senior analyst with IHS Fairplay in London, told the South China Morning Post. “It is hard to know whether it is just coincidence, but it does seem to reflect [President] Xi Jinping’s desire for more practical operationally based exercises.”

The submerged shoal’s actual value is more symbolic than strategic. Bill Hayton, who is writing a book on the South China Sea, reported in February that China has repeatedly reinforced its claim by heaving an engraved stone over the side of a ship at the shoal. U.S. 7th Fleet officials declined comment Tuesday on the Chinese operation at James Shoal. U.S. Navy ships and aircraft based in Japan have regularly patrolled the south and east China seas in recent years, as disputes between nations in the region have intensified.

In the past two years, the U.S. Navy has forged closer military ties with the Philippines and Vietnam, each of which has had multiple standoffs with Chinese ships over islands. Earlier this month, Vietnamese officials accused a Chinese ship of firing on a Vietnamese fishing vessel transiting the disputed Paracel Islands. China claims nearly all land within its “9-dash line” map, which includes most of the South China Sea, and justifies its claim largely on what it considers historical discoveries. It also reserves the right to regulate the sea’s generally recognized international waters, a position that clashes with that of the U.S. Navy which views its presence as a safeguard to freedom of navigation.

Chinese navy makes presence felt at disputed shoal - Pacific - Stripes

 

[Franticfrank]

Uncle Ferd says it's practice fer invadin' Taiwan...

Probably just the usual 'Oh look at how powerful we've become' and territorial claims to go along with all that new financial and military muscle. Sure, statistics show that Americans view China as a threat but if they invade Taiwan, they'll risk destroying diplomatic ties with the rest of the world. I'd just expect bullying smaller countries and fishing in their waters but nothing really worse than that. They have far too much to lose by doing something stupid.

 

[waltky]

China encroachin' on South Pacific islands...

Chinese ships still in disputed shoal, says Philippines
July 12, 2013 > Chinese ships are still in the Ayungin Shoal but the Philippines will continue to maintain its presence there as well, despite limited forces and resources, to assert its own territorial claim to the resource-rich area in the West Philippine Sea.

The military will "continuously monitor our good friends in the area with what is available with my command and we provide the reports to the national leadership for their appreciation," said Lt. Gen. Rustico Guerrero, chief of the Armed Forces Western Command. "We will not leave Ayungin," Guerrero said. The Philippines has marked its territorial claim over Ayungin with the aging BRP Sierra Madre which, despite its sorry state, proudly flies the Philippine flag.

The Sierra Madre was intentionally grounded in the shoal in 1999 to ensure that the Chinese will not claim Ayungin the way it took over Mischief Reef in 1995. Guerrero said the number of Chinese vessels in the area varies from one to three. "They are not taking over, they are just monitoring actually ... We are protecting our respective posts," he said. Guerrero said the situation in the Ayungin Shoal was not a "standoff" but more of "observing one another" at sea. He also said that the Chinese did not harass the Philippine ship that brought fresh troops and supplies to the Ayungin Shoal last month.

The Philippines and China remain entangled in a territorial dispute in the West Philippine Sea, with China claiming all islands within its controversial nine-dash line, including those territories claimed by the Philippines and other countries in the Spratlys group of islands. China has of late become more aggressive in staking its claim, sending naval ships to the disputed territories, just as the United States began its "rebalancing" of forces in the Asia-Pacific region.

Chinese ships still in disputed shoal, says Philippines - Pacific - Stripes

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Obama warns China against ‘coercion’ at sea
Sat, Jul 13, 2013 - US President Barack Obama on Thursday warned China against using force or intimidation in its tense maritime disputes with its neighbors and urged a peaceful resolution.

Obama, meeting Chinese officials who were in Washington for wide-ranging talks, “urged China to manage its maritime disputes with its neighbors peacefully, without the use of intimidation or coercion,” a White House statement said. Tensions have steadily risen between China and Japan, which accuses its growing neighbor of sending an increasing number of ships to exert its claim over unpopulated islands managed by Tokyo in the East China Sea.

The Philippines and Vietnam have also charged that China has used assertive means to exert claims in the conflict-riven South China Sea, although tensions have abated slightly with Hanoi in recent weeks. Chinese State Councilor Yang Jiechi, addressing a press event at the end of the two days of talks, said that China explained its “principled position” on the East China Sea and South China Sea.

China “expressed the hope that the US will support the efforts of the parties concerned to properly handle and resolve the relevant disputes through dialogue,” Yang told a press event. “China is the firmest promoter of the freedom of navigation in all oceans around the world, and China will continue to firmly implement this policy,” he said.

Since 2010, the US has repeatedly been outspoken over the South China Sea, saying that it has a national interest in ensuring freedom of navigation, but does not take sides on individual claims. With an eye on the tensions, the US has boosted military cooperation with Japan and the Philippines — which are both treaty-bound allies — as well as with former war adversary Vietnam.

Obama warns China against ?coercion? at sea - Taipei Times

 

[Katzndogz]

No one besides American liberals is going to pay any attention to obama.

 

[Vikrant]

Obama disappointed with China over Snowden

 

[Cenere]

China is a tough situation, especially since no one wants to stand up to them. The USA planned on helping Tibet in the 60s. We even trained warriors in CO, but as soon as we dropped them into the country they were gone. We backed out because we decided to back China for our own benefit.