Another Reason To Repeal obamacare...

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    ... it doesn't/won't work. It was modeled after europe, but woopsie daisy... what's this? Britain is doing away with theirs. While we're creating hundreds of new government agencies and layers of bureaucracy, the very same people our merry band of radical socialists modeled their plan after are eliminating theirs. Only goes to show, repealing obamacare is our only real choice.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/world/europe/25britain.html?_r=2&hp


    Britain Plans to Decentralize National Health Care



    By SARAH LYALL
    Published: July 24, 2010

    LONDON — Perhaps the only consistent thing about Britain’s socialized health care system is that it is in a perpetual state of flux, its structure constantly changing as governments search for the elusive formula that will deliver the best care for the cheapest price while costs and demand escalate.

    Even as the new coalition government said it would make enormous cuts in the public sector, it initially promised to leave health care alone. But in one of its most surprising moves so far, it has done the opposite, proposing what would be the most radical reorganization of the National Health Service, as the system is called, since its inception in 1948.

    Practical details of the plan are still sketchy. But its aim is clear: to shift control of England’s $160 billion annual health budget from a centralized bureaucracy to doctors at the local level. Under the plan, $100 billion to $125 billion a year would be meted out to general practitioners, who would use the money to buy services from hospitals and other health care providers.

    The plan would also shrink the bureaucratic apparatus, in keeping with the government’s goal to effect $30 billion in “efficiency savings” in the health budget by 2014 and to reduce administrative costs by 45 percent. Tens of thousands of jobs would be lost because layers of bureaucracy would be abolished.
     
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    Damn it... somebody beat me to it. Good ahead and delete this thread.

    Course there's two about N. Korea threatening to nuke us and both of those are still on the board.
     
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    You're under the impression health care reform in the U.S. was modeled on the NHS? Not even close.

    Anyway, under reform, health care in the U.S. remains decentralized, administered by state governments.
     
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    No I think the impression he is under is that something like the NHS is what Obama and the Dems want to get to eventually. Certainly the Guy Obama just appointed to head up Medicare says he likes the NHS, and has some interesting views on how Health care is wealth redistribution.

    You are right the current bill is nothing like the NHS, but IMO and many others something like the NHS is the ultimate goal of the Left. The current Bill fails to please anyone IMO and am just do not get why so many people defend it.
     
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    In one thread I'm told they're after single-payer, in another I'm told they're after the NHS model of genuine socialized medicine. They're just after everything aren't they? Mutually exclusive or not.

    And what were Berwick's suggestions for improving the NHS in the speech that has some so riled up? Among them, "put the patient at the center – at the absolute center of your system of care" and "strengthen the local health care systems – community care systems – as a whole."

    And what do the British say they're trying to do with these reforms? Things like: "We will put patients at the heart of the NHS, through an information revolution and greater choice and control" and "empower professionals and providers, giving them more autonomy and, in return, making them more accountable for the results they achieve, accountable to patients through choice and accountable to the public at local level."
     
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    Yea, I don't like that parents can now put their college age kids on their insurance policies as long as the kids attend schools. It's never good to help the Middle Class. They need to be more self sufficient. Besides it costs the companies money.

    It used to be that if a family of four was insured and the son had an allergy and the father developed cancer, the entire family could be dropped. Why? Because the son had a "pre existing condition". Why should insurance companies pay for the father's cancer treatment when the son already has an "allergy"?

    As far as covernig 32 million more Americans? I have to side with the Republicans on this. Fuck 'em. If they aren't rich, then why should we care what happens to them?

    Health Care Reform Bill Summary: A Look At What's in the Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
     
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    What's especialy funny is this part:

    Individuals and families who make between 100 percent - 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and want to purchase their own health insurance on an exchange are eligible for subsidies.

    They scream that they are "afraid" they will be put in jail They could be subsidized.

    Imagine if the Republicans actually checked out what was in the bill that terrifies them?

    Everything they say is so ridiculous that I wonder, "Who could possibly believe all that bullshit they spew?", then I realize, "They do".
     
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    NHS is single payer.
    The Left wants more control over health care by the government. This is the only salient fact. How far they want to go and how is their only dispute.

    Actuyally I heard an interesting idea from one of our candidates. Her take was that Obamacare does not need to be repealed. All that needs to happen is for Congress to pass a resolution declaring the legislation unconstitutional. That would not even require a presidential signature.
     
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    Yes, who are we to doubt ObamaCare?

    Obama May 2010: It's Not a Tax
    Obama June 2010: It's a Tax
     
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    If you like your health insurance you can keep it.
    Except.......
     
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