Another reason an overstretched military is a bad idea.

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    Caligirl Oh yes it is too!

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    I heard this on the radio today. Suicide among the military is about to pass last year's record high.

    The contributing factors are things like strained relationships and stress from repeated deployments.

    I hate this aggressive foreign policy that Bush has ushered in and McCain believes so strongly in. I just hate it. Bush never even served. He started a war NOT as a last resort. He manipulated intelligence. He said he thought it was God's will. We continue to pay for his swagger.

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    I apologize if this post is out of line.
     
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    It isn't out of line. It's sad.
     
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    Bush DID serve as a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard, flying one of the Air Forces most accident prone aircraft. He flew more hours then required as well. Clinton is the only recent President that has no military experience at all, having lied to get a deferrment and then skipping the country to Britain to avoid even the ROTC.

    May want to "fact" check your posts in the future.
     
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    Post combat veterans have always had a rather high incidence of suicides.

    Not exactly sure why.

    I'm not sure if the Iraq Vets suicide statistics are any better or worse than America's previous wars.


    The "activity limitations" might explain a lot of it though.

    Assuming that term means people who are wounded badly enough to handicap them, one could easily see how that population of otherwise healthy younger men might elect to give themselves that most final of all discharges from active duty.

    Perhaps it would make better sense to do a study that did not include those vets who were wounded if we're going to compare those stats to a non-veteran population.

    Or, if we wanted to study wounded vets, it might behoove the researcher to compare them to recently handicapped civilians of the same age and so forth.

    But, and I think I speak with a lot of personal experience in this area, having worked with this population a lot as a neuropshyciatric tech in the NAV during Viet Nam, something drastic happens to the mindset of a lot men recently returning from combat.

    They tend to take higher risks, are more prone to violent outbursts, and do have a rather higher incidence of suicides (and attempts of same) than non-combat military personnel, that's for damned sure.

    Call it post tramatic stress disorder, call it shell shock, whatever, but it appears to me that combat doesn't appear to give some percentage of us a healthy mindset for returning to civilian life.

    I wasn't even in combat but having to deal with those who were, (and those who were most obviously psychologically damaged by it) made me more than just a little nuts, too, I think.
     
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    That's good to know, I guess the media hype forgot to include that part. Thanks.
     
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    Yeah, it is, and I wonder what we are going to do to get these guys and gals the help they need. I remember hearing about this last year, and that they were improving the psych resources on the bases or something like this. They were really trying to get it under control, no luck.

    I know too many people that have killed themself. A friend of mine, her daughter recently tried, thank goodness she failed and got treatment and is doing better.

    Do any of the military people here think the notion of a draft has any possibility? I mean, I guess I am saying that this doesn't seem like a good indicator is all.
     
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    Thanks for the interesting thoughts. Burying our kid was enough to make me (and a fair number of other bereaved parents say the same) think about suicide for a while. It hurt like hell, and for me, there was no one (very few) around who understood. it was very isolating. And it was a period of time where the world looks completely different, which is to say that you reach a point where you decide that either you are crazy or everyone else around you is.

    When I hear military spouses saying that most americans aren't really living the reality of the wars, because we aren't seeing the images and so on, I think about that period. These traumatic sorts of things can be hell on your mind.

    The restrained activity link sounds very reasonable as well.
     
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    Mr. President BOARD PRESIDENT..carry on

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    Obama will spread the military even further than McCain will.
     
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    How is that?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Mr. President BOARD PRESIDENT..carry on

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    Listening to all that he has said he wants to take some troops out of iraq put more in Afghanistan and invade iran which would cause a need for more troops in iraq
     

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