Another Pipeline Explodes -

[HenryBHough]

I'd be concerned about natural gas pipelines.

Too tempting a target for Enviro-whacko terrorists!

 

[Mertex]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

You actually astound me more.

From your link:
A Quebec town devastated when a runaway oil tanker train

........So, you are more concerned about saving lives in Canada than in America?

Americans aren't even going to benefit from it other than a few jobs during construction and even less thereafter.
Obama Keystone XL pipeline does not benefit Americans RT USA

Threatening our water and the chance of more explosions doesn't seem like a solution, especially when it doesn't benefit Americans. Why do you care to help Canada transport their oil to the gulf?

Will Tar Sands Pipeline Threaten Groundwater

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Sure it matters. Taking a risk on contaminating Aquifers that people rely on for drinking water to create a handful of low paying jobs is not worth it. There are far many other ways to create jobs without putting people's life source at risk.

None of you defending the worth of the Keystone pipeline have provided any credible backup for your assertions.



Replacing infrastructure on existing water and natural gas pipelines could provide more short- and long-term jobs than building Keystone XL would, according to a new report.

The report, published by the E3 Network and the Labor Network for Sustainability, found that improving water, sewer, and gas infrastructure in the five states along the proposed route of Keystone XL — Montana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota and Texas — would create 362,998 total jobs — five times more than the total (short- and long-term) jobs projected to be created by Keystone XL.

Upgrading Existing Pipelines Would Create More Jobs Than Building Keystone XL Report Argues ThinkProgress

 

[Mertex]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

For one thing, the Keystone pipeline will carry crude oil, not gas, and would not explode. The OP thus is a misleading, emotional argument that is ultimately meaningless. Now, if you wanted to be accurate, you would find an emotionally wrenching picture of an OIL pipeline that ruptured. Of course, they are not easy to come by and would not likely accomplish your goal.

Although the most common problem with oil pipelines is leakage/ruptures, oil pipelines do explode and have exploded, and continue to pose that type of problem like gas pipelines. So, please don't be inane and suggest that oil pipelines do not explode.

Here are just a few to make your statement look rather asinine.

Last week’s crude oil pipeline explosion in southern Israel has caused inestimable damage to one of the world’s most fragile ecosystems, experts in ecology and alternative energy said.
“In the space of just a few hours we lost millions of liters of oil that spread out for kilometers, because the explosion occurred under high pressure.”
Pipeline disaster called crude reminder of oil s dangers The Times of Israel

A massive oil pipeline explosion lay waste to parts of a central Mexican city Sunday, incinerating people, cars, houses and trees as gushing crude turned streets into flaming rivers. At least 27 people were killed, 12 of them children, in a disaster authorities blamed on oil thieves.
Flaming River of Crude Oil Kills 27 in Mexico - CBS News

Sinopec oil pipeline blast kills 35 in eastern China Reuters

 

[Synthaholic]

I believe that makes 5 major pipeline explosions/leaks so far this month.

Maybe the next Democrat election platform can be "Lets close all oil pipelines", or "Lets ban oil".

You guys would win in a landslide.

Pipeline ruptures raise desperation for inspectors MSNBC

 

[Dana7360]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

Why Mert, did we get LUCKY it was on the Canadian side of the border? Apparently you care little about our economy being helped by an oil pipeline...

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You'd probably want to stop it, if BED BUGS were endangered by a pipeline!

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?

Did you read the flaming oil got into their sewer system, coming back up through the water pipes, setting stores on fire?

Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Sure it matters. Taking a risk on contaminating Aquifers that people rely on for drinking water to create a handful of low paying jobs is not worth it. There are far many other ways to create jobs without putting people's life source at risk.

None of you defending the worth of the Keystone pipeline have provided any credible backup for your assertions.



Replacing infrastructure on existing water and natural gas pipelines could provide more short- and long-term jobs than building Keystone XL would, according to a new report.

The report, published by the E3 Network and the Labor Network for Sustainability, found that improving water, sewer, and gas infrastructure in the five states along the proposed route of Keystone XL — Montana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota and Texas — would create 362,998 total jobs — five times more than the total (short- and long-term) jobs projected to be created by Keystone XL.

Upgrading Existing Pipelines Would Create More Jobs Than Building Keystone XL Report Argues ThinkProgress

The Ogallala Aquifer is more than just drinking water.

It supplies water to the bread basket of America. States that are filled with farmers who grow a lot of the nation's food.

If that pipeline gets built on that aquifer and when it leaks and destroys part of or all of it, that leaves us blue states in the west as the nation's only real source of food all year long

Washington state and California already have many multi millionaire farmers. That pipeline will create even more.

It will also cause the price of food to skyrocket.

It will also render that area without the possibility of any farming for a very long time. If ever. It will also leave that area without people. People can't survive if they don't have water.

 

[SAYIT]

Your President is a liar. Let's start there. America uses more oil than it produces.

You're the liar.

And at the same time we’re pumping more, we’re using less—and using it more intelligently.
America world rsquo s leading oil producer As we rsquo re pumping more we rsquo re using less.

Got it? You need to import oil. Canada is your number one supplier. Has been for over a decade.

FYI....we're not going to be using the oil being transported through the Keystone pipeline.

The first commercial, airing today, features Steyer in Port Arthur, Texas, saying much of the oil to be shipped from Alberta to refineries along the U.S. Gulf Coast would end up being exported.

“Foreign countries will get more access to more oil to make more products to sell back to us, undercutting our economy,” Steyer, founder of the hedge fund Farallon Capital Management LLC, says in the advertisement. “Here’s the truth: Keystone oil will travel through America not to America.”
8216 Keystone oil will travel through America not to America Billionaire steps up anti-Keystone campaign with US 1M ad blitz Financial Post

The crude has to get to your refineries. Pick your poison Mertex. Pipeline, rail or transport truck.

Not oil that we're not going to be using.

You need the oil Keystone is just a freaking pipeline that ships crude from Point A to point B. Just like Warren Buffet's rail line transports Canuck crude to refineries. Oh and by the way old Warren that big democrat donor is making out like a bandit with the delay on the XL.

Yepp, through states that don't want it going through their state, especially since it will be close to their water source. Something that most Republicans don't give a damn about.



Last week, a special session of the state legislature began to draw up a plan to alter the proposed route of the Keystone XL pipeline, which would begin in Alberta, enter the United States at Montana, cut diagonally through Nebraska and terminate in east Texas. It would transport
petroleum in the form of tar sands through the states, and TransCanada says it will reduce both nations’ dependence on energy from the Middle East.

The concern is the route that the pipeline would take through the Cornhusker State – it would cut right through the Ogallala Aquifer, a massive underground formation that provides drinking water for eight states. Environmental groups have raised concerns that the pipeline might leak and cause mass contamination, and the state wants to block the pipeline from the Aquifer and reroute it.
Annenberg Classroom - Speak Outs - Nebraska vs. Keystone Pipeline Is the state s resistance constitutional

Oh and by the way, the Koch Brothers those big Republican donors are going to make out like bandits with the Keystone pipeline, probably why Republicans want to make sure it goes through.
Keystone XL Pipeline Could Yield 100 Billion For Koch Brothers

Keystone/TransCanada are not oil companies nor are they refineries. Just a pipeline servicing American refineries.

Now to the issue of a "few jobs". Any one who touts the argument that construction jobs don't count because they are just temporary is a fucking moron.

Your own State Department put the number at 42,000 jobs over the course of the pipeline being built.

The number is down to less than 100. Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

Now as to the pipeline being built. The Keystone is finished. You are late to the party.

You are so full of it. Parts of it may have been built, but until Obama gives the okay, it will go nowhere.

The pipeline isn’t even in service yet, but already TransCanada is digging up stretches of faulty piping and replacing them, raising fresh safety fears. The pipeline is intended to link up with the Keystone XL northern leg — which is still waiting for approval from the Obama administration — and then carry tar-sands oil down to refineries in Texas.
Keystone XL isn 8217 t even built yet and already it 8217 s faulty Grist

This is all just a big jerk off dog and pony show by the President and his Democrats because the pipeline is complete.

Obviously you are not informed.

XL is just a secondary northern extension that would also pick up crude from the Bakken in Montana and North Dakota.

Re water supplies. The Ogallala Aquifer is criss crossed already by thousands of miles of pipelines.

That was another freaking bullshit argument from enviro whackos.

So pick your poison Mertex. The Canadian crude will continue to be shipped to your refineries.

Obviously you are not up to date....I'm going to bed.

Why? Because you fucking need it. THAT'S how it benefits Americans.

Again, you are so misinformed, probably a Faux News viewer. Like I said up above and you may want to research, we won't even be using the oil that is being transported through the Keystone pipeline.

Goodnight.

Yanno Mert, I'm all for anything that takes oil-as-a-weapon out of the hands of Russia and OPECers like Iran and Venezuela and puts it into the hands of America and Canada. How 'bout you?

 

[rcfieldz]

When mankind uses up all the gas and oil there will be no problem.

 

[Mertex]

Your President is a liar. Let's start there. America uses more oil than it produces.

You're the liar.

And at the same time we’re pumping more, we’re using less—and using it more intelligently.
America world rsquo s leading oil producer As we rsquo re pumping more we rsquo re using less.

Got it? You need to import oil. Canada is your number one supplier. Has been for over a decade.

FYI....we're not going to be using the oil being transported through the Keystone pipeline.

The first commercial, airing today, features Steyer in Port Arthur, Texas, saying much of the oil to be shipped from Alberta to refineries along the U.S. Gulf Coast would end up being exported.

“Foreign countries will get more access to more oil to make more products to sell back to us, undercutting our economy,” Steyer, founder of the hedge fund Farallon Capital Management LLC, says in the advertisement. “Here’s the truth: Keystone oil will travel through America not to America.”
8216 Keystone oil will travel through America not to America Billionaire steps up anti-Keystone campaign with US 1M ad blitz Financial Post

The crude has to get to your refineries. Pick your poison Mertex. Pipeline, rail or transport truck.

Not oil that we're not going to be using.

You need the oil Keystone is just a freaking pipeline that ships crude from Point A to point B. Just like Warren Buffet's rail line transports Canuck crude to refineries. Oh and by the way old Warren that big democrat donor is making out like a bandit with the delay on the XL.

Yepp, through states that don't want it going through their state, especially since it will be close to their water source. Something that most Republicans don't give a damn about.



Last week, a special session of the state legislature began to draw up a plan to alter the proposed route of the Keystone XL pipeline, which would begin in Alberta, enter the United States at Montana, cut diagonally through Nebraska and terminate in east Texas. It would transport
petroleum in the form of tar sands through the states, and TransCanada says it will reduce both nations’ dependence on energy from the Middle East.

The concern is the route that the pipeline would take through the Cornhusker State – it would cut right through the Ogallala Aquifer, a massive underground formation that provides drinking water for eight states. Environmental groups have raised concerns that the pipeline might leak and cause mass contamination, and the state wants to block the pipeline from the Aquifer and reroute it.
Annenberg Classroom - Speak Outs - Nebraska vs. Keystone Pipeline Is the state s resistance constitutional

Oh and by the way, the Koch Brothers those big Republican donors are going to make out like bandits with the Keystone pipeline, probably why Republicans want to make sure it goes through.
Keystone XL Pipeline Could Yield 100 Billion For Koch Brothers

Keystone/TransCanada are not oil companies nor are they refineries. Just a pipeline servicing American refineries.

Now to the issue of a "few jobs". Any one who touts the argument that construction jobs don't count because they are just temporary is a fucking moron.

Your own State Department put the number at 42,000 jobs over the course of the pipeline being built.

The number is down to less than 100. Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

Now as to the pipeline being built. The Keystone is finished. You are late to the party.

You are so full of it. Parts of it may have been built, but until Obama gives the okay, it will go nowhere.

The pipeline isn’t even in service yet, but already TransCanada is digging up stretches of faulty piping and replacing them, raising fresh safety fears. The pipeline is intended to link up with the Keystone XL northern leg — which is still waiting for approval from the Obama administration — and then carry tar-sands oil down to refineries in Texas.
Keystone XL isn 8217 t even built yet and already it 8217 s faulty Grist

This is all just a big jerk off dog and pony show by the President and his Democrats because the pipeline is complete.

Obviously you are not informed.

XL is just a secondary northern extension that would also pick up crude from the Bakken in Montana and North Dakota.

Re water supplies. The Ogallala Aquifer is criss crossed already by thousands of miles of pipelines.

That was another freaking bullshit argument from enviro whackos.

So pick your poison Mertex. The Canadian crude will continue to be shipped to your refineries.

Obviously you are not up to date....I'm going to bed.

Why? Because you fucking need it. THAT'S how it benefits Americans.

Again, you are so misinformed, probably a Faux News viewer. Like I said up above and you may want to research, we won't even be using the oil that is being transported through the Keystone pipeline.

Goodnight.

Yanno Mert, I'm all for anything that takes oil-as-a-weapon out of the hands of Russia and OPECers like Iran and Venezuela and puts it into the hands of America and Canada. How 'bout you?

But the majority of oil from Keystone won't even be used by Americans........something that Republican/conservatives don't seem to want to believe or accept.


Opponents contend instead that the pipeline's petroleum could largely bypass the American markets and be shipped to Asia.

"This is all about taking the oil that's coming into the Midwest and moving it down to the Gulf Coast, where they have access to China and other markets," theNational Wildlife Federation's Jeremy Symons told Congress this summer.

Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas


Article Who Benefits from Keystone XL OpEdNews

Tar Sands Action Key Facts on Keystone XL

 

[SAYIT]

Yanno Mert, I'm all for anything that takes oil-as-a-weapon out of the hands of Russia and OPECers like Iran and Venezuela and puts it into the hands of America and Canada. How 'bout you?

But the majority of oil from Keystone won't even be used by Americans........something that Republican/conservatives don't seem to want to believe or accept.
Opponents contend instead that the pipeline's petroleum could largely bypass the American markets and be shipped to Asia.
"This is all about taking the oil that's coming into the Midwest and moving it down to the Gulf Coast, where they have access to China and other markets," theNational Wildlife Federation's Jeremy Symons told Congress this summer.

Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas

Article Who Benefits from Keystone XL OpEdNews

Tar Sands Action Key Facts on Keystone XL

Self-serving OPINION pieces. The fact is the most direct route from Canada's Alberta (Northwest) oil fields is southwest across the Rockies to Canada's Pacific coast ... a pipeline China is eager to help (financially) build. The fact is any oil in the US must get State Dept approval to be exported. The fact is it would be easy to include a clause in the deal that we get first dibs on any oil in the pipeline at a market discount. The Keystone naysayers are couching their agendas in bogus, Chicken Little claims. So be honest, Mert ... what about Keystone really twists your panties? The fact that Obama is opposed? The environment?

 

[dannyboys]

You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

Trains are not safe either, at least with the DOT111 transport car....the newer replacement version which costs $100k for each one, takes care of many issues with the oil train cabs...

Buffet is buying 5000 of the newer stronger oil transport cabs/cars.... don't know about the other oil train transporters on whether they have committed to investing in them....?

Well C4A you have to transport MILLIONS of gallons a day, you have any info about how many have died from a pipe break?

just common sense that a train car filled with oil has less to 'spill' than a pipeline running millions of gallons a day through it with a crack or break....

but i don't like rail either, unless the cars are upgraded and the towns the rail cars plan to run through are made aware and get a say so....

You really are an idiot.
ALL modern pipelines now have automatic shutoffs every 1/4 mile. Any fall in pressure and a huge ball valve is activated thereby isolating that portion of the pipeline. There are safety mechanisms built into modern pipelines which can create a negative pressure (suction) within a section of pipe which causes any oil or gas to remain in a pipe that has been cracked or shot by crackpots like you.
Old pipelines are being decommissioned everyday. There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines safely carrying oil and gas in the US every day. The safety record per cubic meter of oil/gas transported is excellent.
If you are that upset with the XL Keystone I suggest you go have a conversation with all those DEM Senators who just voted for it. HAAA HAAA!

 

[dannyboys]

Another hysterical know nothing trying to sound like it does. Pipeline companies are some of the most uptight fussy people ever,there is much at risk,and their safety programs are very closely run.The typical lft wing mime that its all profit and they care nothing for safety is pure propaganda,or lies .

Shut down the 10s of thousand of miles of pipelines and the OP would be the 1st to start blubbering about being cold,or having to walk,hypocrites one and all.

Pipeline companies may take all the precautions to make sure their pipelines are safe, and yet, we hear of so many leaks, ruptures and explosions....and with Republicans in Congress wanting to do away with regulations, you are just adding more fuel to the fire....pun intended.

As for your 2nd line.......don't be inane.....my house is all electric.

You're the inane ashole here.
And now you are going to explain how all the "electric" was manufactured right? You don't know? Let me explain dipshit. Every fucking thing that's "electric" in your house was manufactured using petroleum in some form. Petroleum is what comes out of the fucking ground. You know, like fucking oil!
Go away ass hole. You're too fucking stupid to carry on an intelligent debate.

 

[dannyboys]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
(more)
Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?


Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Sure it matters. Taking a risk on contaminating Aquifers that people rely on for drinking water to create a handful of low paying jobs is not worth it. There are far many other ways to create jobs without putting people's life source at risk.

None of you defending the worth of the Keystone pipeline have provided any credible backup for your assertions.



Replacing infrastructure on existing water and natural gas pipelines could provide more short- and long-term jobs than building Keystone XL would, according to a new report.

The report, published by the E3 Network and the Labor Network for Sustainability, found that improving water, sewer, and gas infrastructure in the five states along the proposed route of Keystone XL — Montana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota and Texas — would create 362,998 total jobs — five times more than the total (short- and long-term) jobs projected to be created by Keystone XL.

Upgrading Existing Pipelines Would Create More Jobs Than Building Keystone XL Report Argues ThinkProgress

The Ogallala Aquifer is more than just drinking water.

It supplies water to the bread basket of America. States that are filled with farmers who grow a lot of the nation's food.

If that pipeline gets built on that aquifer and when it leaks and destroys part of or all of it, that leaves us blue states in the west as the nation's only real source of food all year long

Washington state and California already have many multi millionaire farmers. That pipeline will create even more.

It will also cause the price of food to skyrocket.

It will also render that area without the possibility of any farming for a very long time. If ever. It will also leave that area without people. People can't survive if they don't have water.

I think you actually believe the pipeline will be laying on the bottom of some mythical huge lake of underground water. When it breaks in half millions of gallons of filthy oil will forever destroy this huge lake of pure delicious water.
You really need to wake the fuck up.
Do some actual research about the existing pipelines going over the aquifer and what the latest safety technology is. Your DEM Senators who just voted FOR the pipeline have. You should too.

 

[peach174]

Why are Republicans in Congress so determined to get approval on the Keystone Pipeline....it's not like it is going to create a lot of jobs, and there are so many risks involved.....this one is the 4th major mishap at a US pipeline just this month. Don't Republicans care anything at all about our environment?

Who wants this in their neighborhood?

Who would have thought that pipelines built by for-profit companies would make them in any but the safest and most secure manner?

A gas pipeline in Brooke County, West Virginia exploded into a ball of flames on Monday morning, marking the fourth major mishap at a U.S. pipeline this month.

No one was hurt in the explosion, but residents told the local WTRF 7 news station that they could see a massive fireball shooting hundreds of feet into the air. An emergency dispatcher reportedly told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that the flames had melted the siding off one home and damaged at least one power line. The gas pipeline is owned by Houston, Texas-based The Enterprise Products, L.P., which said Monday evening that it is investigating the cause of the explosion.

The West Virginia explosion is the fourth in a string of news-making pipeline incidents this month.
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Another Pipeline Explosion This Time In West Virginia Crooks and Liars

Please explain how the pipeline is going to help our economy.

You really are reaching (grasping) now....and actually being silly. Why don't you debate like an adult?


Yeah....and that's Canada's problem, not ours. You want to create problems for the US for no good reason....apparently you don't care about our environment or our economy.

It's idiotic comments like these, that have some people like you believing that it will create many jobs.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, once pegged the number of potential pipeline jobs at being anywhere from "100,000 to one million."

when in reality:

In 2013, President Barack Obama, whose own State Department was weighing whether to give TransCanada permission to build the pipeline, estimated the number of permanent jobs that could be created by work on the pipeline to be about 50 to 100.
Keystone Pipeline Jobs - How Many Would Be Created

Come on Mert, you're being DISHONEST!

How the Keystone XL Pipeline Will Help the U.S. Economy - Businessweek

this article does nothing to disprove his point. All it says is that the pipeline will provide some temporary construction jobs that are unlikely to affect the seasonal rate of unemployment for construction workers.

So in short, it isn't very compelling at all, nor does it counter anything that Mert stated. In fact, it supports him.

The pipline will provide jobs,doesn't matter if it 10k or 200 its a job creator,it will provide tax revenues,there is a high lever of and maintenance and monitoring,more jobs more than one product will flow through it another rfact that just well get ignored once again ,that the left just wants to deni all the pluses and hype any little negative they can find,and the sad part,they have no skin in the game at all,but think they should run the show.

Sure it matters. Taking a risk on contaminating Aquifers that people rely on for drinking water to create a handful of low paying jobs is not worth it. There are far many other ways to create jobs without putting people's life source at risk.

None of you defending the worth of the Keystone pipeline have provided any credible backup for your assertions.



Replacing infrastructure on existing water and natural gas pipelines could provide more short- and long-term jobs than building Keystone XL would, according to a new report.

The report, published by the E3 Network and the Labor Network for Sustainability, found that improving water, sewer, and gas infrastructure in the five states along the proposed route of Keystone XL — Montana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota and Texas — would create 362,998 total jobs — five times more than the total (short- and long-term) jobs projected to be created by Keystone XL.

Upgrading Existing Pipelines Would Create More Jobs Than Building Keystone XL Report Argues ThinkProgress

The Ogallala Aquifer is more than just drinking water.

It supplies water to the bread basket of America. States that are filled with farmers who grow a lot of the nation's food.

If that pipeline gets built on that aquifer and when it leaks and destroys part of or all of it, that leaves us blue states in the west as the nation's only real source of food all year long

Washington state and California already have many multi millionaire farmers. That pipeline will create even more.

It will also cause the price of food to skyrocket.

It will also render that area without the possibility of any farming for a very long time. If ever. It will also leave that area without people. People can't survive if they don't have water.

The Keystone Pipeline has been re-routed away for the Ogallala Aquifer.

 

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You people actually astound me with your shortsightedness!

Video 5 dead 40 still missing after oil train explodes near US-Canada border 8212 Death toll could surge 8212 Burning crude went in sewers and rose up through manholes setting buildings on fire 8212 City 8217 s downtown core 8220 almost completely destroyed 8221

Trains are not safe either, at least with the DOT111 transport car....the newer replacement version which costs $100k for each one, takes care of many issues with the oil train cabs...

Buffet is buying 5000 of the newer stronger oil transport cabs/cars.... don't know about the other oil train transporters on whether they have committed to investing in them....?

Well C4A you have to transport MILLIONS of gallons a day, you have any info about how many have died from a pipe break?

just common sense that a train car filled with oil has less to 'spill' than a pipeline running millions of gallons a day through it with a crack or break....

but i don't like rail either, unless the cars are upgraded and the towns the rail cars plan to run through are made aware and get a say so....

You really are an idiot.
ALL modern pipelines now have automatic shutoffs every 1/4 mile. Any fall in pressure and a huge ball valve is activated thereby isolating that portion of the pipeline. There are safety mechanisms built into modern pipelines which can create a negative pressure (suction) within a section of pipe which causes any oil or gas to remain in a pipe that has been cracked or shot by crackpots like you.
Old pipelines are being decommissioned everyday. There are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines safely carrying oil and gas in the US every day. The safety record per cubic meter of oil/gas transported is excellent.
If you are that upset with the XL Keystone I suggest you go have a conversation with all those DEM Senators who just voted for it. HAAA HAAA!

Yeah, they're doing such a good job of keeping them safe, that is why so many are leaking and exploding all over the world......

And, yeah, a few Dems voted for it, but it isn't going anywhere.....as long as Obama can veto it...

The Keystone pipeline is a threat to our environment and should never be allowed.