Another Nail in the Coffin

[wirebender]

Here is a podcast by Professor Murry Salby, Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie University. Apparently the subject of this speech has already passed review and is scheduled to publish this fall. The topic?

Surprise surprise. Global temps control atmospheric CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. Just like the ice cores predict. Increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a result, not a cause. And all that pap about man's CO2 being unique and easily traceable...pap. How many times has that been pointed out, only to be disregarded by the faithful?

Professor Curry says that if this publishes, it will completely alter the discussion on climate change. Let the backpedaling begin.

Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The Contribution from Natural Sources | The Sydney Institute

 

[skookerasbil]

Here is a podcast by Professor Murry Salby, Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie University. Apparently the subject of this speech has already passed review and is scheduled to publish this fall. The topic?

Surprise surprise. Global temps control atmospheric CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. Just like the ice cores predict. Increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a result, not a cause. And all that pap about man's CO2 being unique and easily traceable...pap. How many times has that been pointed out, only to be disregarded by the faithful?

Professor Curry says that if this publishes, it will completely alter the discussion on climate change. Let the backpedaling begin.

Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The Contribution from Natural Sources | The Sydney Institute

Indeed.......let the "real science" begin.............

 

[IanC]

Westwall must have a big Cheshire Cat grin on his face right now. personally I would like to know the mechanism behind the 800 yr lag time. perhaps if all the funding didnt go into manmade CO2 studies we would already have a better handle on it.

 

[percysunshine]

Since when has cause and effect ever mattered when seeking the truth?

 

[RollingThunder]

Here is a podcast by Professor Murry Salby, Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie University. Apparently the subject of this speech has already passed review and is scheduled to publish this fall. The topic?

Surprise surprise. Global temps control atmospheric CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. Just like the ice cores predict. Increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a result, not a cause. And all that pap about man's CO2 being unique and easily traceable...pap. How many times has that been pointed out, only to be disregarded by the faithful?

Professor Curry says that if this publishes, it will completely alter the discussion on climate change. Let the backpedaling begin.

Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The Contribution from Natural Sources | The Sydney Institute

It is hilarious how extremely gullible you are, wired&bent. You fall for every bit of denier cult pseudo-science that the propaganda machine shoves into your head. This is just one more example of that nonsense coming this time through a right wing 'think tank' called The Sydney Institute. A quick google search turned up a number of debunkings of your current fantasy.

Murry Salby and conservation of mass

Is the long-term trend in CO2 caused by warming of the oceans?

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is a podcast by Professor Murry Salby, Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie University. Apparently the subject of this speech has already passed review and is scheduled to publish this fall. The topic?

Surprise surprise. Global temps control atmospheric CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. Just like the ice cores predict. Increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a result, not a cause. And all that pap about man's CO2 being unique and easily traceable...pap. How many times has that been pointed out, only to be disregarded by the faithful?

Professor Curry says that if this publishes, it will completely alter the discussion on climate change. Let the backpedaling begin.

Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The Contribution from Natural Sources | The Sydney Institute

Published in which peer reviewed journal? The Sydney Institute?

Sydney Institute - SourceWatch

The Sydney Institute is corporate funded think tank based in Sydney, Australia. It is run by Gerard Henderson and his wife Anne Henderson, who are its only directors and only employees.

In a biographical note for Gerard Henserson it states that the Sydney Institute "has links with similar institutes around the world, including the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, the Manhattan Institute in New York, the European Policy Forum in London, Keidanren in Tokyo and the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Jakarta." [1]

 

[Old Rocks]

We know from industries own records, from the mines and wellheads to the point of use, how much carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels.

It has been explained many times how the Milankovic Cycles warm the souther oceans first, causing them to release CO2 at the beginnings of the interglacial periods.

 

[whitehall]

The bottom line is that we don't have time for this global warming nonsense. Obama's appointment of a communist and former organizer of an arson and looting rampage to be on his "green jobs" board should send a signal that the global warming scam is an evolution of the 60's and 70's (Bill Ayers) anarchist movement. We are trading our great grandkids future to China and Venezuela in exchange for oil while Barry and the democrats refuse to allow US companies to explore for oil in US territory.

 

[Old Rocks]

The bottom line is that you are already paying for the effects of global warming. Check out wheat prices for the last two years. Check meat prices in the supermarket.

And as for your other lies, the company that I work for is making a bundle off of the pipe we are selling to those exploring for oil and gas. There is major exploration going on all over the US. However, when you use 24% of the world's oil, and have only 3% of the worlds reserves, which we are using very quickly, you are not going to drill your way to energy independence.

 

[Cuyo]

The bottom line is that we don't have time for this global warming nonsense. Obama's appointment of a communist and former organizer of an arson and looting rampage to be on his "green jobs" board should send a signal that the global warming scam is an evolution of the 60's and 70's (Bill Ayers) anarchist movement. We are trading our great grandkids future to China and Venezuela in exchange for oil while Barry and the democrats refuse to allow US companies to explore for oil in US territory.

Bottom line is, you're an idiot.

Sometimes, that's really all there is to say.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here is a podcast by Professor Murry Salby, Chair of Climate Science at Macquarie University. Apparently the subject of this speech has already passed review and is scheduled to publish this fall. The topic?

Surprise surprise. Global temps control atmospheric CO2 concentrations, not the other way around. Just like the ice cores predict. Increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a result, not a cause. And all that pap about man's CO2 being unique and easily traceable...pap. How many times has that been pointed out, only to be disregarded by the faithful?

Professor Curry says that if this publishes, it will completely alter the discussion on climate change. Let the backpedaling begin.

Global Emission of Carbon Dioxide: The Contribution from Natural Sources | The Sydney Institute

Will the last Warmer leaving the campus be sure to turn the incandescent light off?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The bottom line is that you are already paying for the effects of global warming. Check out wheat prices for the last two years. Check meat prices in the supermarket.

And as for your other lies, the company that I work for is making a bundle off of the pipe we are selling to those exploring for oil and gas. There is major exploration going on all over the US. However, when you use 24% of the world's oil, and have only 3% of the worlds reserves, which we are using very quickly, you are not going to drill your way to energy independence.

Predictable. LOL

Hitler in the bunker.

 

[westwall]

Westwall must have a big Cheshire Cat grin on his face right now. personally I would like to know the mechanism behind the 800 yr lag time. perhaps if all the funding didnt go into manmade CO2 studies we would already have a better handle on it.

Why would I have a Cheshire Cat grin? There is tons that is unknown. The paper hasn't been released either. It's an idea I've long had but so far I have seen no proof of anything.

 

[westwall]

The bottom line is that you are already paying for the effects of global warming. Check out wheat prices for the last two years. Check meat prices in the supermarket.

And as for your other lies, the company that I work for is making a bundle off of the pipe we are selling to those exploring for oil and gas. There is major exploration going on all over the US. However, when you use 24% of the world's oil, and have only 3% of the worlds reserves, which we are using very quickly, you are not going to drill your way to energy independence.

Those prices are directly attributable to the high cost of fuel MENSA boy. Not GW.

 

[westwall]

The bottom line is that we don't have time for this global warming nonsense. Obama's appointment of a communist and former organizer of an arson and looting rampage to be on his "green jobs" board should send a signal that the global warming scam is an evolution of the 60's and 70's (Bill Ayers) anarchist movement. We are trading our great grandkids future to China and Venezuela in exchange for oil while Barry and the democrats refuse to allow US companies to explore for oil in US territory.

Bottom line is, you're an idiot.

Sometimes, that's really all there is to say.

Sure thing "runs with scissors". Thanks for the heads up on your lack of mental acuity!

 

[rdean]

Staff | The Sydney Institute

What the fuck is the "Syndey Institute"? The job title of every one on the staff is listed as "office assistant"? I never heard of such a thing.

 

[RollingThunder]

Staff | The Sydney Institute

What the fuck is the "Syndey Institute"? The job title of every one on the staff is listed as "office assistant"? I never heard of such a thing.

It's a very-far-right-wing propaganda outlet, sponsored by the usual polluting industries that don't like those burdensome government regulations that prevent them from saving money by dumping their crap anywhere they want.

 

[whitehall]

The bottom line is that you are already paying for the effects of global warming. Check out wheat prices for the last two years. Check meat prices in the supermarket.

And as for your other lies, the company that I work for is making a bundle off of the pipe we are selling to those exploring for oil and gas. There is major exploration going on all over the US. However, when you use 24% of the world's oil, and have only 3% of the worlds reserves, which we are using very quickly, you are not going to drill your way to energy independence.

The world's reserves yada yada. We need to tap what we have so we don't mortgage our grear-great grandkids furure to a scam the revolutionary greenies support. The high food prices are a direct result of foolish global warming policies that raise energy prices. The US rents drilling sites to everybody but US companies. Drilling in a tiny portion of ANWAR could spike the economy. We don't have time left for global warming foolishness while the US economy is on a downward slide bringing the rest of the world down. 50 years ain't gonna kill you greenies. Table the scam and let's get the US rolling with cheaper energy for a while.

 

[westwall]

Staff | The Sydney Institute

What the fuck is the "Syndey Institute"? The job title of every one on the staff is listed as "office assistant"? I never heard of such a thing.

It's a very-far-right-wing propaganda outlet, sponsored by the usual polluting industries that don't like those burdensome government regulations that prevent them from saving money by dumping their crap anywhere they want.

If you want to talk to a gross polluter talk to your pal olfraud. He works for EVRAZ which has complaints for pollution against it at almost every plant it owns. Typical hypocrites.

 

[skookerasbil]

The bottom line is that we don't have time for this global warming nonsense. Obama's appointment of a communist and former organizer of an arson and looting rampage to be on his "green jobs" board should send a signal that the global warming scam is an evolution of the 60's and 70's (Bill Ayers) anarchist movement. We are trading our great grandkids future to China and Venezuela in exchange for oil while Barry and the democrats refuse to allow US companies to explore for oil in US territory.

Bottom line is, you're an idiot.

Sometimes, that's really all there is to say.

The bottom line is he is 100% correct about the bottom line. 100% correct..........

This is what Marco Rubio said on the HOUSE floor on Wednesday...................essentially saying that a choice will need to be made by the voting public to persue an economic appraoch which embraces capitalism or embraces socialism..........



"These are facts - no one would dispute that. The debate in Washington is not even about that fact. The debate is how do we solve it, how do we generate more money for government and reduce the spending, at the same time? And I will tell you this is not a debate we will solve in the month of August. In fact, I believe it will characterize the rest of this Congress, the 2012 elections and the years that lie ahead.

"And the division on how to solve it goes to the root of the dispute that we face in America between two very different visions of America's future. By the way, one not more or less patriotic than the other. Patriotic, country-loving Americans can disagree on their future vision of what kind of country we should be. But this division, this difference of opinion, is the reason why even though this bill passed, this debate we just had is going to move forward for some time to come.

"On the one hand, there are those who believe that the job of government is deliver us economic justice, which basically means: an economy where everyone does well or as well as possibly can be done.

"There is another group that believes in the concept of economic opportunity where it’s not the government’s job to guarantee an outcome but to guarantee the opportunity to fulfill your dreams and hopes.

"One is not more moral than the other. They are two very different visions of the role of government in America. But it lies at the heart of the debate that we're having as a nation.


Whether you like Rubio or hate Rubio, what he is saying is undisputable. WHoever doesnt see it has the political IQ of a handball ( ie; see the people who speak of "compromise" on the debt debate).......so really, it comes down to asking yourself, which side is winning now and which side is going to win. It has EVERYTHING to do with the science of climate change.

Most people dont realize the political dynamic is undergoing radical changes due to our economic situation and THAT is going to have a dramatic impact on the whole global warming debate..........a fact which I know with 100% certainty Old Rocks understands but almost all of the rest of the alarmist contingent doesnt ( see Rolling Thunder, Chris et. al.). Ultimately, far more scrutiny is going to be placed on $$$ allocation moving forward and the emphasis will indeed be on the size and scope of the voting block..........and thus, its effect on public policy. For example..........Medicaid recipients are going to get hammered in coming years ( this effects me peronsally in my field of work) although they may not know it........... while Medicare recipients will to MUCH less of a degree. Why? Voting bloc size. The Keynesian model of economics is on its way out, once again proven to be.................like always.........a total disaster. The Laffer Model is going to make a comeback after next year passes and economic realities will ensure that public policy follows suit.............which will not be friendly to the alternative energy industry, but very friendly to the fossil fuel industry AS A MATTTER OR ECONOMIC NECESSITY. Trust me.........environmental radicals are entering a period of pronounced misery........and its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.

So trust me when I say..............the science doesnt matter........except in terms of purely scientific debate in places like this forum. Dont shoot the messenger, who's only role in the forum here is to provide some very sobering perspectives on the science/political dynamic. They are NOT mutually exclusive...........which is not understood by some of the ENVIRONMENTAL FORUM contributers. I can say with 100% certainty that the ONLY way it could is if there were MASSIVE swings in the global climate, on the order of what you see in movies. A prolonged heat wave in the middle of the country during an outgoing LANina or a couple of tronado's is not going to change that much to the shagrin of the environmental OCD's.

And Old Rocks knows I am correct.............



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