Another intelligent life in the universe, how do you imagine it?

[petro]

How do we actually measure intelligence? On human terms and perceptions.
For all we know the Cetaceans swimming in our own oceans
could be having philosophy and mathematical discussions and wondering what if anything they can do about the violent primates inhabiting the surface.

Would we even recognize intelligence and effectly communicate without the bias of our thinking and emotional response to the unfamiliar?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If there is life on other planets, then there should be thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy,

Says you. Maybe,maybe not.

Humans have had advanced technology for only a couple hundred years

Which doesnt give any valuable info at all. We cant spot alien civilizations on far off planets due to physical limits which will always exist, themselves due to the laws of the universe. We arent going to invent a telescope that can see the surface of a far off planet, due to the theory of electromagnetism. Unless it's the size of about 20 jupiters (maybe more). We also may not be able to detect radio waves from far off civilizations, unless they are purposely directed at us using a LOT of energy.

It wouldn't be surprising in the least of literally trillions of intelligent species occur over the life of our universe, and humans never discover or meet a single one. That speaks to the vastness of our universe.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Fingers crossed ...

According to the interwebs white people also rule the galaxy ...I think they only beat us to it cause they were there first ...

"The Nordics look like Norse Gods; blonde with brilliant-blue eyes and the bodies of 6 foot tall, finely-toned athletes. You can see where the Scandinavian’s got their inspiration for Thor from. The Grays got a lot of attention when it comes to alien sightings but the Nordics are a species that come into contact with humans almost as much as they do. However they are more interested in the well-being of the human race than the Grays are, even though some eye-witness reports claim to have seen Nordics in the same alien craft as Grays. A possible explanation for this is that those Grays were slaves or servants to the Nordics as a Gray’s lack of empathy makes it an ideal butler."

Blacks aint gonna like that

They better stay home cause we also enslave green and grey peoples

 

[bripat9643]

If there is life on other planets, then there should be thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy,

Says you. Maybe,maybe not.

Humans have had advanced technology for only a couple hundred years

Which doesnt give any valuable info at all. We cant spot alien civilizations on far off planets due to physical limits which will always exist, themselves due to the laws of the universe. We arent going to invent a telescope that can see the surface of a far off planet, due to the theory of electromagnetism. Unless it's the size of about 20 jupiters (maybe more). We also may not be able to detect radio waves from far off civilizations, unless they are purposely directed at us using a LOT of energy.

It wouldn't be surprising in the least of literally trillions of intelligent species occur over the life of our universe, and humans never discover or meet a single one. That speaks to the vastness of our universe.

As always, you fail to get the point. The odds that another intelligent species will be at the same lever of technical development as ours are infinitesimal. Intelligent humans have been on this planet for only the blink of any eye in terms of the history of the universe. The odds are that if there are other intelligent species in the galaxy, they reached an advanced state of technology thousands upon thousands of years ago, if not millions of years ago.

Your theory that they would remain trapped on their planet of origin doesn't pass the laugh test. It would be astounding if they hadn't achieved the ability to spread to nearby stars less than a thousand years after they invented the steam engine. That means they could have spread throughout the galaxy by now. That is, unless there is some barrier that prevents the development of intelligent life. There should be evidence of them on the nearest habitable star, and we shall soon have the technology to detect them at that distance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The odds that another intelligent species will be at the same lever of technical development as ours are infinitesimal.

Says you. You seem to be quite skilled at makimg authoritative, arbitrary , unsupported claims, and then basing your entire argument off of them. Furthermore, you accidentally undermine your own point anyway, as you are equally arguing for intelligent species that are at a lesser level of tech know how. Furthermore, you can argue that intelligent speices may have tech far past ours until you are blue in the face, and you still would not have lemt a shred of support to the claim that they should therefore have (or should have had the ability to) contacted or visited us.

Your theory that they would remain trapped on their planet of origin doesn't pass the laugh test

I never made or implied such a claim. Stop makong stuff up. They could be travelling through space, and it still would not be surprising if they never found us, due to the vastness of our universe.

That means they could have spread throughout the galaxy by now.

"Could have"

Therefore, may not have.

 

[bripat9643]

The odds that another intelligent species will be at the same lever of technical development as ours are infinitesimal.

Says you.

No. Says simple mathematics. Technically advanced humans have been on this planet for about 200 years. The universe is 13.6 billion years old. What are the odds that two intelligent species would reach technical maturity at virtually the same instant in time? They are indistinguishable from zero. The odds are that this point in development will be reached thousands upon thousand or even many millions of year earlier by one than the other. You continually fail to address that point.

You seem to be quite skilled at making authoritative, arbitrary , unsupported claims, and then basing your entire argument off of them. Furthermore, you accidentally undermine your own point anyway, as you are equally arguing for intelligent species that are at a lesser level of tech know how. Furthermore, you can argue that intelligent speices may have tech far past ours until you are blue in the face, and you still would not have lemt a shred of support to the claim that they should therefore have (or should have had the ability to) contacted or visited us.

You're arguing that other intelligent species would have reached our level of technical development at the exact same time as us in terms of the history of the universe. That only shows that you're an idiot. The odds against such an occurrence are a billion to one.

Your theory that they would remain trapped on their planet of origin doesn't pass the laugh test

I never made or implied such a claim. Stop makong stuff up. They could be travelling through space, and it still would not be surprising if they never found us, due to the vastness of our universe.

That means they could have spread throughout the galaxy by now.

"Could have"

Therefore, may not have.

Proving once again that you don't understand the argument.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No. Says simple mathematics.

Again, says you. You aren't supporting your claim, you are merely repeating it.

What are the odds that two intelligent species would reach technical maturity at virtually the same instant in time?

I don't know, and neither do you. But, in a galaxy with maybe 500 billion planets, even the smallest of odds wont make something unlikely to occur at least twice. And we know it has occured at least once. If you want to just invent arbitrary probabilities, then consider the probability that EXACTLY ONE intelligent species has or will ever exist in our universe, compared to the odds of any number greater than one.

Second, you are just making my point for me anyway. It could be that millions of intelligent speices have and will exist in our galaxy, but no two ever enjoy the happy coincidence of meeting in time and space.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Says simple mathematics.

Again, says you. You aren't supporting your claim, you are merely repeating it.

What are the odds that two intelligent species would reach technical maturity at virtually the same instant in time?

I don't know, and neither do you. But, in a galaxy with maybe 500 billion planets, even the smallest of odds wont make something unlikely to occur at least twice. And we know it has occured at least once. If you want to just invent arbitrary probabilities, then consider the probability that EXACTLY ONE intelligent species has or will ever exist in our universe, compared to the odds of any number greater than one.

Second, you are just making my point for me anyway. It could be that millions of intelligent speices have and will exist in our galaxy, but no two ever enjoy the happy coincidence of meeting in time and space.

Yes, I do know, because I can do simple math. The odds are infinitesimal. Planets in the Milky Way are created over a time span of billions of years. Many planets were created 7 or 8 billion years ago, and some are being create right now. What you are trying to put over on us is that all the planets that eventually harbored intelligent life were created at the same time, life developed on them at the same time, they were subjected to the same extinction events, and speed of development of life, and that the histories of their intelligent species progressed at the same rate.

You can't be this stupid.

You yourself showed why your theory is idiotic. "In a galaxy with maybe 500 billion planets, even if the same thing happened twice, that means that something different happened for the other 499,999,999,999 times. So why do you claim that all intelligent species are at the same stage of technical development? What makes you believe there is only one other intelligent technically advanced species?

Face it: you lack the capacity to commit logic.

 

[task0778]

Why? What evidence would intelligent life 40,000 light years away see of us? None.

If there is life on other planets, then there should be thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy, and it would be surprising if one of them hasn't spread throughout the entire galaxy. Humans have had advanced technology for only a couple hundred years, but the odds are that if there are intelligent species, then some of them have been technological for thousands or even millions of years. A species that could travel at near the speed of light could spread throughout the entire galaxy within 100,000 years.

Sure, maybe even faster than the speed of light (Warp Factor 10, Scotty! Aye, Cap'n!), who knows what is going to be possible even if it isn't now. Wormholes and such, right? My point is, we already have sightings of UFOs flying around Earth and some of them were submersible in our oceans. So that's evidence right there of intelligent ET life. The fact that we have not been contacted (or told of it) one way or another doesn't mean it ain't out there somewhere.

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

 

[rightwinger]

I’m thinking ET instead of Predator

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What do you think ?

Hard to say. There isn't exactly a whole lot of intelligent life on this planet.

 

[fncceo]

If there is life on other planets, then there should be thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy, and it would be surprising if one of them hasn't spread throughout the entire galaxy. Humans have had advanced technology for only a couple hundred years, but the odds are that if there are intelligent species, then some of them have been technological for thousands or even millions of years. A species that could travel at near the speed of light could spread throughout the entire galaxy within 100,000 years.

Sure, maybe even faster than the speed of light (Warp Factor 10, Scotty! Aye, Cap'n!), who knows what is going to be possible even if it isn't now. Wormholes and such, right? My point is, we already have sightings of UFOs flying around Earth and some of them were submersible in our oceans. So that's evidence right there of intelligent ET life. The fact that we have not been contacted (or told of it) one way or another doesn't mean it ain't out there somewhere.

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No one disputes that otherwise reputable people have seen things, or believed they saw things, they could not explain.

It's the jump from 'unidentied' straight to 'space aliens' that many people find amusing.

Given the size and age of the Universe, it's almost a certainty that life exists elsewhere. But, given that same age and size of the Universe, it is unlikely in the extreme that they'd be bipedal oxygen breathers with technology only slightly more advanced than our own, who visit our planet so often they regularly get sighted.

 

[sparky]

What do you think ?

Methinks any true intellegence would avoid us like the plauge

~S~

 

[task0778]

Sure, maybe even faster than the speed of light (Warp Factor 10, Scotty! Aye, Cap'n!), who knows what is going to be possible even if it isn't now. Wormholes and such, right? My point is, we already have sightings of UFOs flying around Earth and some of them were submersible in our oceans. So that's evidence right there of intelligent ET life. The fact that we have not been contacted (or told of it) one way or another doesn't mean it ain't out there somewhere.

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No one disputes that otherwise reputable people have seen things, or believed they saw things, they could not explain.

It's the jump from 'unidentied' straight to 'space aliens' that many people find amusing.

Given the size and age of the Universe, it's almost a certainty that life exists elsewhere. But, given that same age and size of the Universe, it is unlikely in the extreme that they'd be bipedal oxygen breathers with technology only slightly more advanced than our own, who visit our planet so often they regularly get sighted.

Maybe not quite as big a jump as you might think. Consider the information in the links below, I really do not think that any other human government or organization on Earth has the technology to do what these things are doing. And they need not be bipedal oxygen breathers either, they might even be some sort of drone or piloted by an AI robot. Either of which would be solid evidence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Consider :

Sometimes, according to the Washington Post, well-trained military pilots “claimed to observe small spherical objects flying in formation. Others say they’ve seen white, Tic Tac-shaped vehicles. Aside from drones, all engines rely on burning fuel to generate power, but these vehicles all had no air intake, no wind and no exhaust.” They also appear to exceed all known aircraft in speed and have been described by a former deputy assistant secretary of defense as embodying a “truly radical technology.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

AND

“At a certain point, there ended up being multiple objects that we were tracking,” Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, stationed aboard the Princeton missile cruiser escorting the USS Nimitz, said in testimony described by Issues in Science & Technology. “They all generally zoomed around at ridiculous speeds, and angles and trajectories and then eventually they all bugged out faster than our radars.”

The vehicles buzzing military installations are described as having no air intake, no exhaust and no other indication of a power source or known method of generating thrust.

UFOs invading military airspace multiple times a month, seen by hundreds, will remain out of the public eye

Such capabilities do not exist on Earth, this is stuff we can't do. Yet.

 

[fncceo]

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No one disputes that otherwise reputable people have seen things, or believed they saw things, they could not explain.

It's the jump from 'unidentied' straight to 'space aliens' that many people find amusing.

Given the size and age of the Universe, it's almost a certainty that life exists elsewhere. But, given that same age and size of the Universe, it is unlikely in the extreme that they'd be bipedal oxygen breathers with technology only slightly more advanced than our own, who visit our planet so often they regularly get sighted.

Maybe not quite as big a jump as you might think. Consider the information in the links below, I really do not think that any other human government or organization on Earth has the technology to do what these things are doing. And they need not be bipedal oxygen breathers either, they might even be some sort of drone or piloted by an AI robot. Either of which would be solid evidence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Consider :

Sometimes, according to the Washington Post, well-trained military pilots “claimed to observe small spherical objects flying in formation. Others say they’ve seen white, Tic Tac-shaped vehicles. Aside from drones, all engines rely on burning fuel to generate power, but these vehicles all had no air intake, no wind and no exhaust.” They also appear to exceed all known aircraft in speed and have been described by a former deputy assistant secretary of defense as embodying a “truly radical technology.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

AND

“At a certain point, there ended up being multiple objects that we were tracking,” Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, stationed aboard the Princeton missile cruiser escorting the USS Nimitz, said in testimony described by Issues in Science & Technology. “They all generally zoomed around at ridiculous speeds, and angles and trajectories and then eventually they all bugged out faster than our radars.”

The vehicles buzzing military installations are described as having no air intake, no exhaust and no other indication of a power source or known method of generating thrust.

UFOs invading military airspace multiple times a month, seen by hundreds, will remain out of the public eye

Such capabilities do not exist on Earth, this is stuff we can't do. Yet.

The first people to spy experimental jet fighters thought they were regular planes crashing whilst on fire.

The once popular triangle-shaped UFOs turned out to be F-117s during test flights.

To say the only possible explanation of something you believe you saw is space aliens is an insult to Occum and his razor.

 

[Third Party]

Everything about the universe has interested me since my early childhood, so I tell myself that there is surely another form of intelligent life in the immensity of the universe, we are certainly not the only ones, but what appearance? we are used to seeing the alien and their appearance, but would it not have any other shape?

What do you think ?

They would be the ONLY intelligent life in the universe. We don't know for sure that they are not here already. We are so busy fighting with each other, we wouldn't notice them.

 

[task0778]

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No one disputes that otherwise reputable people have seen things, or believed they saw things, they could not explain.

It's the jump from 'unidentied' straight to 'space aliens' that many people find amusing.

Given the size and age of the Universe, it's almost a certainty that life exists elsewhere. But, given that same age and size of the Universe, it is unlikely in the extreme that they'd be bipedal oxygen breathers with technology only slightly more advanced than our own, who visit our planet so often they regularly get sighted.

Maybe not quite as big a jump as you might think. Consider the information in the links below, I really do not think that any other human government or organization on Earth has the technology to do what these things are doing. And they need not be bipedal oxygen breathers either, they might even be some sort of drone or piloted by an AI robot. Either of which would be solid evidence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Consider :

Sometimes, according to the Washington Post, well-trained military pilots “claimed to observe small spherical objects flying in formation. Others say they’ve seen white, Tic Tac-shaped vehicles. Aside from drones, all engines rely on burning fuel to generate power, but these vehicles all had no air intake, no wind and no exhaust.” They also appear to exceed all known aircraft in speed and have been described by a former deputy assistant secretary of defense as embodying a “truly radical technology.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

AND

“At a certain point, there ended up being multiple objects that we were tracking,” Petty Officer Gary Voorhis, stationed aboard the Princeton missile cruiser escorting the USS Nimitz, said in testimony described by Issues in Science & Technology. “They all generally zoomed around at ridiculous speeds, and angles and trajectories and then eventually they all bugged out faster than our radars.”

The vehicles buzzing military installations are described as having no air intake, no exhaust and no other indication of a power source or known method of generating thrust.

UFOs invading military airspace multiple times a month, seen by hundreds, will remain out of the public eye

Such capabilities do not exist on Earth, this is stuff we can't do. Yet.

The first people to spy experimental jet fighters thought they were regular planes crashing whilst on fire.

The once popular triangle-shaped UFOs turned out to be F-117s during test flights.

To say the only possible explanation of something you believe you saw is space aliens is an insult to Occum and his razor.

So far as I know, there is still only one possible explanation for what many reasonable and respectable people have seen these aircraft do. Let's not get insulting here, we're talking about UFOs that have been around since Roswell, 60 some years ago. And some say even before that. Maybe long before that. You're telling me that somebody on this planet has had that kind of aeronautical capability for the last 60 effing years? No sale here on that idea.

Occam's razor, huh? Tell me, what did Occam's razor have to say about quantum physics a couple of centuries ago? Or space travel to the moon or other planets? We learn new stuff all the time, what was once thought to be impossible is now possible and even common.

 

[bripat9643]

If there is life on other planets, then there should be thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy, and it would be surprising if one of them hasn't spread throughout the entire galaxy. Humans have had advanced technology for only a couple hundred years, but the odds are that if there are intelligent species, then some of them have been technological for thousands or even millions of years. A species that could travel at near the speed of light could spread throughout the entire galaxy within 100,000 years.

Sure, maybe even faster than the speed of light (Warp Factor 10, Scotty! Aye, Cap'n!), who knows what is going to be possible even if it isn't now. Wormholes and such, right? My point is, we already have sightings of UFOs flying around Earth and some of them were submersible in our oceans. So that's evidence right there of intelligent ET life. The fact that we have not been contacted (or told of it) one way or another doesn't mean it ain't out there somewhere.

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No, testimonial evidence is not scientific evidence. It proves nothing. You can get thousands of people to confirm that Laetrile cures cancer.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Hopefully they wont be any smarter than democrats.....
But being able to cross the cosmos thats pretty unlikely.

 

[task0778]

Sure, maybe even faster than the speed of light (Warp Factor 10, Scotty! Aye, Cap'n!), who knows what is going to be possible even if it isn't now. Wormholes and such, right? My point is, we already have sightings of UFOs flying around Earth and some of them were submersible in our oceans. So that's evidence right there of intelligent ET life. The fact that we have not been contacted (or told of it) one way or another doesn't mean it ain't out there somewhere.

I have yet to see any credible "sightings" of UFOs. Most of them are reported by some ignorant hick in Arkansas.

Velocities slightly below the speed of light don't violate any of the known laws of physics. Warp factor 10 does. If intelligent life exists elsewhere in the galaxy, then there should be numerous civilizations that are hundreds of thousands or even millions of years old. That's plenty of time for them to spread throughout the entire galaxy, and evidence of them would be unavoidable. Yet, so far, we see nothing. No radio transmissions. No visits. No nothing.

I think you should do some research, there are reports of sightings by airline pilots, military personnel, law enforcement, and a whole lot of other people that are far from "ignorant hicks from Arkansas". There IS evidence, and while one should not accept reports such as these as fact, even those of some of the most reputable people on the planet, neither should we dismiss them as nonsense either. And our known laws of physics may not necessarily be the end-all, be-all of the laws of physics.

Should we see evidence beyond those reports of intelligent life elsewhere? Seems to me that is a bit arrogant on our part, if a species is advanced enough to get here then it is also possible they are advanced enough to avoid being detected by our relatively unsophisticated equipment. Perhaps our detection devices are still a little bit too primitive.

You sound like one of those dumb hicks from Arkansas. No reputable scientist has ever confirmed contact with aliens or sightings of aliens. Blurry photos of objects far off in the distance are not evidence of aliens.

No, but thousands or reported sightings of UFOs and underwater UFOs ARE evidence, many of which are NOT hicks from Arkansas. And the fact that no reputable scientist has confirmed contact with or sightings of ET aliens does not negate the sightings of other reputable people who have.

No, testimonial evidence is not scientific evidence. It proves nothing. You can get thousands of people to confirm that Laetrile cures cancer.

Testimonial evidence is not scientific as you say, but it is still evidence. We convict people in a court of law based in part on testimonial evidence, so it counts for something. Especially when it comes from US astronauts and military and civilian pilots and law enforcement personnel. These are people with something to lose, the threat to their credibility is not to be casually ignored.