Another gun free zone tragedy the city of New York

[bigrebnc1775]

End gun free zones and you will stop mass shootings

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say

New York (CNN) -- A disgruntled former apparel designer was killed Friday morning in a hail of police gunfire in front of the Empire State Building after he shot and killed a co-worker and engaged in a gunbattle with two officers, authorities said.
At least nine others were wounded in the incident as the officers unloaded 14 rounds at the gunman, who apparently turned his weapon against them in one of Manhattan's busiest neighborhoods.
The violence erupted just as visitors began to queue up to ascend the famous New York skyscraper.
Police identified the shooter as 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson, who was apparently laid off from his job as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Import last year.

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say - CNN.com

 

[techieny]

Sad!!!

 

[ScienceRocks]

Banning guns is really counter productive!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Banning guns is really counter productive!

Yes it is.

 

[JoeB131]

End gun free zones and you will stop mass shootings

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say

New York (CNN) -- A disgruntled former apparel designer was killed Friday morning in a hail of police gunfire in front of the Empire State Building after he shot and killed a co-worker and engaged in a gunbattle with two officers, authorities said.
At least nine others were wounded in the incident as the officers unloaded 14 rounds at the gunman, who apparently turned his weapon against them in one of Manhattan's busiest neighborhoods.
The violence erupted just as visitors began to queue up to ascend the famous New York skyscraper.
Police identified the shooter as 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson, who was apparently laid off from his job as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Import last year.

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say - CNN.com

So where do you get this was a "gun free" zone?

Incidently, it seems most of those who were wounded were hit by police bullets.

 

[Cowman]

You honestly fucking believe that some dude who was set on killing a coworker with a gun is going to be stopped by an armed civilian? You think the armed civilian is going to get the jump on the surprise killer?

Yeah okay.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

End gun free zones and you will stop mass shootings

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say

New York (CNN) -- A disgruntled former apparel designer was killed Friday morning in a hail of police gunfire in front of the Empire State Building after he shot and killed a co-worker and engaged in a gunbattle with two officers, authorities said.
At least nine others were wounded in the incident as the officers unloaded 14 rounds at the gunman, who apparently turned his weapon against them in one of Manhattan's busiest neighborhoods.
The violence erupted just as visitors began to queue up to ascend the famous New York skyscraper.
Police identified the shooter as 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson, who was apparently laid off from his job as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Import last year.

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say - CNN.com

So where do you get this was a "gun free" zone?

Incidently, it seems most of those who were wounded were hit by police bullets.

1.It's New York City
2. It's at the empire state building
3. if all else is ignored revert back to number 1.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You honestly fucking believe that some dude who was set on killing a coworker with a gun is going to be stopped by an armed civilian? You think the armed civilian is going to get the jump on the surprise killer?

Yeah okay.

Could increase the chance of putting an end to a mass killing.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You honestly fucking believe that some dude who was set on killing a coworker with a gun is going to be stopped by an armed civilian? You think the armed civilian is going to get the jump on the surprise killer?

Yeah okay.

How else would an unarmed civilian stopped an armed person from killing them?

 

[Cowman]

You honestly fucking believe that some dude who was set on killing a coworker with a gun is going to be stopped by an armed civilian? You think the armed civilian is going to get the jump on the surprise killer?

Yeah okay.

How else would an unarmed civilian stopped an armed person from killing them?

Sorry, but if I have a hidden gun and I'm disgruntled, and I have a means to get to you... you will be dead. An armed civilian isn't going to be able to prevent an assassination like that.

What, are you imagining in your fantasy land that a good Samaritan is going to stop somebody by pointing a gun at them, or preemptively shooting them BEFORE they have made their weapon and their intentions clear?

 

[JoeB131]

End gun free zones and you will stop mass shootings

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say

New York (CNN) -- A disgruntled former apparel designer was killed Friday morning in a hail of police gunfire in front of the Empire State Building after he shot and killed a co-worker and engaged in a gunbattle with two officers, authorities said.
At least nine others were wounded in the incident as the officers unloaded 14 rounds at the gunman, who apparently turned his weapon against them in one of Manhattan's busiest neighborhoods.
The violence erupted just as visitors began to queue up to ascend the famous New York skyscraper.
Police identified the shooter as 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson, who was apparently laid off from his job as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Import last year.

2 dead, 9 wounded in Empire State Building shootings, police say - CNN.com

So where do you get this was a "gun free" zone?

Incidently, it seems most of those who were wounded were hit by police bullets.

1.It's New York City
2. It's at the empire state building
3. if all else is ignored revert back to number 1.

So you are admitting you don't have any proof of a "gun free zone".

Besides the fact it was outside the ESB, and New York allows the private ownership of guns and even carry permits.

Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Residents of New York City who wish to obtain a pistol license must apply through the New York Police Department License Bureau at One Police Plaza in lower Manhattan.[14] The choice of licenses are: Unrestricted Concealed Carry License (for personal self defense, generally considered off-limits to an average citizen), Restricted Business Carry License, Restricted Target License and Restricted Premises-only License.[14]

This guy apparently bought his gun in Georgia in 1991 but didn't register it in NYC.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The first guy is fucked, but we live in a nation of 14, 30, 50 mass murdering events. Surely a population that's allowed to carry will cut down on those.

 

[Cowman]

So where do you get this was a "gun free" zone?

Incidently, it seems most of those who were wounded were hit by police bullets.

1.It's New York City
2. It's at the empire state building
3. if all else is ignored revert back to number 1.

So you are admitting you don't have any proof of a "gun free zone".

Besides the fact it was outside the ESB, and New York allows the private ownership of guns and even carry permits.

Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Residents of New York City who wish to obtain a pistol license must apply through the New York Police Department License Bureau at One Police Plaza in lower Manhattan.[14] The choice of licenses are: Unrestricted Concealed Carry License (for personal self defense, generally considered off-limits to an average citizen), Restricted Business Carry License, Restricted Target License and Restricted Premises-only License.[14]

This guy apparently bought his gun in Georgia in 1991 but didn't register it in NYC.

See... it's not about guns being banned or restricted. They'll always change the narrative so that "there's not enough people carrying and using their firearms in a deadly manner" during situations like this.

People need to be FORCED to carry guns. That's why the Aurora incident happened... because people weren't FORCED to carry guns. They had the choice to have firearms, but unless they actually carry them then they're responsible for their own deaths. It's just a matter of gross negligence!

/sarcasm

 

[Cowman]

The first guy is fucked, but we live in a nation of 14, 30, 50 mass murdering events. Surely a population that's allowed to carry will cut down on those.

Yep. All sorts of independently armed civilians suddenly shooting won't result in any sort of problem, ever. Noone will ever mistake another person for a shooter. Everybody will instantly know who and how many in number the gunmen are. We also know that the military, a highly trained organization never ever has friendly fire incidents either. We can expect our civilian population to perform at an even more stellar level than the US military.

Yeah. Man, living in this fantasy land is fucking AWESOME.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So where do you get this was a "gun free" zone?

Incidently, it seems most of those who were wounded were hit by police bullets.

1.It's New York City
2. It's at the empire state building
3. if all else is ignored revert back to number 1.

So you are admitting you don't have any proof of a "gun free zone".

Besides the fact it was outside the ESB, and New York allows the private ownership of guns and even carry permits.

Gun laws in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Residents of New York City who wish to obtain a pistol license must apply through the New York Police Department License Bureau at One Police Plaza in lower Manhattan.[14] The choice of licenses are: Unrestricted Concealed Carry License (for personal self defense, generally considered off-limits to an average citizen), Restricted Business Carry License, Restricted Target License and Restricted Premises-only License.[14]

This guy apparently bought his gun in Georgia in 1991 but didn't register it in NYC.

Wiki?

IMPORTANT NOTE: Your New York State pistol license is only valid in the counties outside the 5 counties of New York City. Unless it is validated by New York City. You may not take your handguns into the city, this includes Self Protection licensees, with a few exceptions.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newyork.pdf

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The first guy is fucked, but we live in a nation of 14, 30, 50 mass murdering events. Surely a population that's allowed to carry will cut down on those.

Yes this is true.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You honestly fucking believe that some dude who was set on killing a coworker with a gun is going to be stopped by an armed civilian? You think the armed civilian is going to get the jump on the surprise killer?

Yeah okay.

How else would an unarmed civilian stopped an armed person from killing them?

Sorry, but if I have a hidden gun and I'm disgruntled, and I have a means to get to you... you will be dead. An armed civilian isn't going to be able to prevent an assassination like that.

What, are you imagining in your fantasy land that a good Samaritan is going to stop somebody by pointing a gun at them, or preemptively shooting them BEFORE they have made their weapon and their intentions clear?

Why is you gun grabbers think the bad guy will always get the armed citizen? One armed bad guy versus 20 armed citizens. How in the fuck do you think that will turn out? It would be a fantasy of yours that the bad guy got all 20 and walked away.

 

[Cowman]

How else would an unarmed civilian stopped an armed person from killing them?

Sorry, but if I have a hidden gun and I'm disgruntled, and I have a means to get to you... you will be dead. An armed civilian isn't going to be able to prevent an assassination like that.

What, are you imagining in your fantasy land that a good Samaritan is going to stop somebody by pointing a gun at them, or preemptively shooting them BEFORE they have made their weapon and their intentions clear?

Why is you gun grabbers think the bad guy will always get the armed citizen? One armed bad guy versus 20 armed citizens. How in the fuck do you think that will turn out? It would be a fantasy of yours that the bad guy got all 20 and walked away.

Yes, as per my other post... 20 armed civilians will all know who the bad guy is. They will also know that none of the other 20 armed civilians shooting are bad guys either.

Life is wonderful.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sorry, but if I have a hidden gun and I'm disgruntled, and I have a means to get to you... you will be dead. An armed civilian isn't going to be able to prevent an assassination like that.

What, are you imagining in your fantasy land that a good Samaritan is going to stop somebody by pointing a gun at them, or preemptively shooting them BEFORE they have made their weapon and their intentions clear?

Why is you gun grabbers think the bad guy will always get the armed citizen? One armed bad guy versus 20 armed citizens. How in the fuck do you think that will turn out? It would be a fantasy of yours that the bad guy got all 20 and walked away.

Yes, as per my other post... 20 armed civilians will all know who the bad guy is. They will also know that none of the other 20 armed civilians shooting are bad guys either.

Life is wonderful.

You know this how?

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Success in Chicago, too. Only nineteen shot in eighteen hours. "Never let a legitimate crisis go to waste!" Oh! Wait! Not in my city!

Doug Ross @ Journal: Congratulations to Mayor Rahm Emanuel for Chicago's successful gun control policies: only 19 shot in 18 hours yesterday!