Another Fact To Burst The Conservatives’ Bubble

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[EvilCat Breath]

The line in question simply means that those who fought with the British would not escape punishment even if they were hirelings or slaves. A sentiment I surely agree with.

It is certainly applicable today. The enemy are liberals and being black should not be an excuse to escape punishment.

 

[JBond]

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It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


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Poor bert. Dude is a socialist wet dream. Notice the parts he left out. That tiny part about Republicans freeing the slaves and going to war to do so. Then he fucks up the next part, the 50 years where Democrats slaughtered blacks for sport. Then he ignores the Democrat party actions when they didn't want uppity blacks voting. He completely skips over the new plantations the modern Democrat party has created.

Grade - F

 

[Missouri_Mike]

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It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


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This is what happens when a fucking snowflake liberal decides to unload their safe space thoughts on the world.

 

[easyt65]

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It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others..

... says those Who repeatedly continue to use violence to strip Americans of the right to free speech, to silence the opposition voices of those who do not support Progressive views and agendas...

 

[dudmuck]

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It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


.

Poor bert. Dude is a socialist wet dream. Notice the parts he left out. That tiny part about Republicans freeing the slaves and going to war to do so. Then he fucks up the next part, the 50 years where Democrats slaughtered blacks for sport. Then he ignores the Democrat party actions when they didn't want uppity blacks voting. He completely skips over the new plantations the modern Democrat party has created.

Grade - F

Dont stop there, southern strategy is next, continue on...

 

[JBond]

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It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


.

Poor bert. Dude is a socialist wet dream. Notice the parts he left out. That tiny part about Republicans freeing the slaves and going to war to do so. Then he fucks up the next part, the 50 years where Democrats slaughtered blacks for sport. Then he ignores the Democrat party actions when they didn't want uppity blacks voting. He completely skips over the new plantations the modern Democrat party has created.

Grade - F

Dont stop there, southern strategy is next, continue on...

When the Senate passed the measure on June 19, 1964, -- nine days after supporters mustered enough votes to end the longest filibuster in Senate history -- the margin was 73-27. Better than two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure on final passage (46 yeas, 21 nays), but an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported it (27 yeas, 6 nays).

The primary reason that Republican support was higher than Democratic support -- even though the legislation was pushed hard by a Democratic president, Lyndon B. Johnson -- is that the opposition to the bill primarily came from Southern lawmakers. In the mid 1960s, the South was overwhelmingly Democratic -- a legacy of the Civil War and Reconstruction, when the Republican Party was the leading force against slavery and its legacy. Because of this history, the Democratic Party in the 1960s was divided between Southern Democrats, most of whom opposed civil rights legislation, and Democrats from outside the South who more often than not supported it.

This pattern showed clearly in the House vote. Northern Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act by a margin even larger than that of Republicans -- 141 for, just four against -- while Southern Democrats were strongly opposed, by a margin of 11 yeas to 92 nays.

When the Voting Rights Act hit the floor in 1965, the vote results mirrored those of the Civil Rights Act. In the House, the measure passed by a 333-85 margin, with 78 percent of Democrats backing it (221 yeas and 61 nays) and 82 percent of Republicans backing it (112 yeas to 24 nays).

In the Senate, the measure passed by a 77-19 vote, with 73 percent of Democrats and 94 percent of Republicans supporting the bill.

Fyi. Lost the link on my phone, but feel free to fact check.

 

[JBond]

From Snopes, the trusted liberal source...

LBJ quotes that are verified.

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

Johnson, like other presidents, would often reveal his true motivations in asides that the press never picked up. During one trip, Johnson was discussing his proposed civil rights bill with two governors. Explaining why it was so important to him, he said it was simple: “I’ll have them ******* voting Democratic for two hundred years.”

“That was the reason he was pushing the bill,” said MacMillan, who was present during the conversation. “Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.”

MacMillan said Johnson did not care if women were in the area. “He was totally naked with his daughters, Lady Bird, and female secretaries,” he said. “He was quite well endowed in his testicles,” MacMillan said, “So everyone started calling him Bull Nuts. He found out about it. He was really upset.”

Confirmed.
Other sources have corroborated Johnson’s predilection for casual nudity, so we don’t need to dwell on it...

Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'?

 

[dudmuck]

.
It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


.

Poor bert. Dude is a socialist wet dream. Notice the parts he left out. That tiny part about Republicans freeing the slaves and going to war to do so. Then he fucks up the next part, the 50 years where Democrats slaughtered blacks for sport. Then he ignores the Democrat party actions when they didn't want uppity blacks voting. He completely skips over the new plantations the modern Democrat party has created.

Grade - F

Dont stop there, southern strategy is next, continue on...

When the Senate passed the measure on June 19, 1964, -- nine days after supporters mustered enough votes to end the longest filibuster in Senate history -- the margin was 73-27. Better than two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure on final passage (46 yeas, 21 nays), but an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported it (27 yeas, 6 nays).

The primary reason that Republican support was higher than Democratic support -- even though the legislation was pushed hard by a Democratic president, Lyndon B. Johnson -- is that the opposition to the bill primarily came from Southern lawmakers. In the mid 1960s, the South was overwhelmingly Democratic -- a legacy of the Civil War and Reconstruction, when the Republican Party was the leading force against slavery and its legacy. Because of this history, the Democratic Party in the 1960s was divided between Southern Democrats, most of whom opposed civil rights legislation, and Democrats from outside the South who more often than not supported it.

This pattern showed clearly in the House vote. Northern Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act by a margin even larger than that of Republicans -- 141 for, just four against -- while Southern Democrats were strongly opposed, by a margin of 11 yeas to 92 nays.

When the Voting Rights Act hit the floor in 1965, the vote results mirrored those of the Civil Rights Act. In the House, the measure passed by a 333-85 margin, with 78 percent of Democrats backing it (221 yeas and 61 nays) and 82 percent of Republicans backing it (112 yeas to 24 nays).

In the Senate, the measure passed by a 77-19 vote, with 73 percent of Democrats and 94 percent of Republicans supporting the bill.

Fyi. Lost the link on my phone, but feel free to fact check.

Thats the civil rights act of 1964, an important component of the roots of southern strategy. Perhaps the most significant part is Strom Thrumond switching parties. But fast-forward today and you have parallels with Trumps comments with those of Lee Atwater.

 

[Oldstyle]

.
It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


.

Since when do we EVER sing more than the first verse? So we should abolish the national anthem because verses that nobody has EVER heard sung on an NFL field in the history of the league can be construed as "racist" in some liberal snowflakes eyes?

And if anyone points out how absurd you are...they're automatically considered a Nazi by you? How does pointing out that you're absurd make me a Nazi? That's so mindlessly blind to reality that you've turned yourself into a joke!

 

[K9Buck]

.
It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


.

Holy shit! Are you manic?

 

[K9Buck]

Kaeperpimpleneck did something honorable by dissing the flag and the national anthem.

And then didn't vote. Yea, he's a real fucking genius.

 

[K9Buck]

.
It is the nature of conservatives to be superficial. They cannot be asked to look beyond their own beliefs to understand the philosophies or tenets of others.

There are countless facts conservatives do not want to believe because it disturbs that cocoon of delusions they’ve built for themselves over the decades, either by their refusal to look beyond their own selfishness or their own fears of change. There is no point in attempting to write a list, just remember every issue or item conservatives deny or call “fake news”, explains such a list is much too long to include here.

The conservatives’ willful ignorance plays a major part in their choice to believe when Colin Kaepernick, the NFL players, or anyone else who “takes a knee” or remains seated during “The Star-Spangled Banner” it disrespects their flag. Even as most conservatives have joined with the Big Orange Idiot as admitted Nazis or are proven Nazi sympathizers. The conservatives’ embrace or defense of Nazi and Confederate symbols calls into question their loyalty to the United States.

Upon investigation, Colin Kaepernick’s refusal to stand for the singing of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is in no way showing disrespect. In fact, African-Americans and all Americans of good conscience should remain seated or take a knee when this lily-white anthem is sung.

If one takes the time to read and fully understand Francis Scott Key’s entire poem “The Star-Spangled Banner”, which became the United States’ national anthem, they will find it is, indeed, racist toward African-Americans.

Key’s poem was written as the result of Britain’s attack on Fort McHenry during the War of 1812, a war Key opposed. Following is the complete poem:

O say, can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming;
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave?

This first verse of the song (stanza of the poem) makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside, deeply patriotic, and wondering why everyone else wants to disrespect their flag?.

Now, we will carry on, citing the second verse (stanza of the poem):

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream;
‘Tis the star-spangled banner;
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

So far, the song and the poem have been nothing more than the thrill Key felt when he saw “Old Glory” waving over Fort McHenry after a long battle, which brings us to the third and defining verse of the song (third stanza of the poem):

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

How many people understood the actual meaning of the last four lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem)? Let‘s dissect them. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave--O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!”

Without an explanation it is simple to see why the true meaning escapes the notice of most Americans. After all, most of us were introduced to Key’s poem, “The Star-Spangled Banner” while we were in elementary school, and haven’t heard or read the words since then.

However, now that they have the opportunity read the entire poem and the meaning of the original content, will conservatives be convinced they should reject their steadfast belief “The Star-Spangled Banner” honors the principles of the United States and those outlined in our Constitution? Not likely.

But let’s give it a try anyway. In 1812, due to the war between France and Britain, United States’ President James Madison had the questionable plan to take Canada from Britain. (The senate vote in favor of a declaration of war, taken on June 17, 1812, had split 19 to 13, reflecting fundamental differences between members of the largely pro-war Republicans and the largely anti-war Federalists. In the House of Representatives, the vote had been 79 to 49, with Republicans once again in favor.) As usual, Republicans wanted an unnecessary war when diplomacy should have been the first step.

In response, Britain entered the “War of 1812“ using the propaganda their landings were to “protect escaped slaves”.

This was done in the belief slaves would flock to British military camps and ships, and it was a very successful strategy. Entire black families joined the British, where adult males were trained and created a regiment called the “Colonial Marines”, 6 thousand strong. Backed by over 20 thousand British troops, the Colonial Marines helped the British defeat the young United States.

Therefore, it is now simple to understand the lines in the third verse of the song (third stanza of the poem) glorifies the killing of former slaves by U.S. troops. “No refuge could save the hireling and slave, From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave; And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave!” These lines were slave owner Key’s method to demean the slaves who fought and died in a war against their former oppressors, and reinforce the belief of the bravery of U.S. slave owners.

The conflict ended on December 24, 1814, with neither side winning any substantial goals or concessions from their opponents.

However, spin doctors of the period, on both sides, managed to convince their respective citizenry some “wins” occurred. And, despite fighting against slave owners like Francis Scott, Key, the U.S. would continue to oppress blacks, keeping them as slaves for an additional 50 years.

It’s apparent in slave owner Francis Scott Key’s poem, he felt extremely gratified by the deaths of former slaves, as his words mention only the oppressed in the U.S. who joined and died for the British, not the deaths of British troops. And, after reading this OP and visiting the sites below, those who still stand when this offensive song is played, are in no way honoring the principles of the United States or those outlined in our Constitution.

It is obvious why the American people long ago chose not to sing all four verses of “The Star-Spangled Banner”, and instead, limit the anthem to its first verse. Its offensive truth would have been discovered much, much sooner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4P0Zjkbc9s

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-is-righter-than-you-know-the-national-anthem-is-a-celebration-of-slavery/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/francis-scott-key-the-reluctant-patriot-180937178/

Not to be left out, here is the fourth verse:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n-rescued land,
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
And this be our motto— “In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lest we forget, despite Key’s inclusion, the Founding Fathers made it clear waaay back then, the United States was NOT, and is NOT a Christian nation, when they wrote the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of (and from) religion.



Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


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You are a consummate idiot. The Republicans did not exist during the War of 1812. Were you born this stupid, or did you avoid school on purpose to keep your ignorance intact?

And here is the conservative mindless reaction Bertram was railing against. Although it's not mindless, its a purposeful deflection from the premise. Bertram wasn't claiming that Republicans existed. He's claiming that Kapearnick has a genuine beef with the words of the national anthem and as such doesn't disrespect the country when he takes a knee.
-More and more this is irritating me. Both sides refuse to listen to each other. Everything is looked at though a partisan goggle, which is fine but when someone doesn't have anything relevant to say they deflect or call the other party names.

Since those lines are never sung.....and that idiot who kneels doesn't know basic history, he doesn't even know those lines are in the song.....and that they are never sung.....moron....

I will add that, there is NOTHING inherently "racist" in acknowledging that slaves existed.

 

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To claim that the protests are over the wording of the verses of a poem that the anthem is derived from...verses that NOBODY has ever sung at a sporting event I've been to refutes what Kapernick said was the reason he wouldn't stand for the anthem...that police brutalized black Americans. THAT is why he protested. I'd bet every dollar I own that if you'd asked the entire NFL players community prior to this becoming an issue...not ONE of them would have even known that there WERE more verses to that poem!

 

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...not ONE of them would have even know that there WERE more verses to that poem!

I certainly didn't.

In any event, there is nothing racist in that additional verse. It simply states "slaves". It doesn't say that blacks are genetically inferior, etc.

 

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Any response to the conservatives' mindless reactions to this OP is a waste of time.


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In that case here, have a kitten