Another disturbing FDR Program

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Avatar4321, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,537
    Thanks Received:
    8,161
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,153
  2. 8537
    Offline

    8537 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2010
    Messages:
    7,754
    Thanks Received:
    729
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    New England's West Coast
    Ratings:
    +729
    FDR approved programs in 1946? Wow!
     
  3. elvis
    Offline

    elvis BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    25,882
    Thanks Received:
    4,303
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +4,303
    that would be a trick.
     
  4. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,537
    Thanks Received:
    8,161
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,153
    Looks like I made a mistake. I confused the 1946 date for this study and the 1943 date for the other study where they injected STDs into prisoners.
     
  5. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,164
    Thanks Received:
    14,902
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +36,898
    FDR Owned Tuskegee
     
  6. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,537
    Thanks Received:
    8,161
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,153
    Regardless, it seems like under both FDR and Truman big government was intentionally destroying people's lives.

    Not a good track record for the left or Democrats here.
     
  7. 8537
    Offline

    8537 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2010
    Messages:
    7,754
    Thanks Received:
    729
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    New England's West Coast
    Ratings:
    +729
    nice attempt at recovery.
     
  8. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    70,537
    Thanks Received:
    8,161
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +12,153
    Thank you. The key is admitting when you make a mistake.

    But that really doesn't address the actual programs here.
     
  9. ladyliberal
    Offline

    ladyliberal Progressive Princess

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    1,253
    Thanks Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +291
    This isn't a newly-discovered program, it's a newly discovered part of an already well-known program. As the AP story notes, the horrific experiments were unethical even by the standards of the time.

    It's unfair to blame President Truman for the experiments. As far as I know, he was entirely unaware of them, and did nothing to set them in motion. In contrast, there is much more reason to, for example, blame President Bush for obstruction of justice (after he pardoned his White House official, Scooter Libby, for the same) or for torture and rape (as occurred at Abu Ghraib in a conflict he initiated). Putting the blame on whoever was president at the time instead of actually analyzing the historical record to determine the responsible agents is intellectually lazy.

    Incidentally, the AP story also reported that President Obama apologized to the President of Guatemala for the experiments, as well as ordering an investigation. Despite the charge by his critics that Obama's speeches, particularly ones critical of Bush's foreign policy, apologize for America, Obama has seemed careful to avoid explicit apologies. I'm glad he gave an apology in this case-- it was the right thing to do and I doubt there will be political consequences.
     
  10. waltky
    Offline

    waltky Wise ol' monkey Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2011
    Messages:
    20,786
    Thanks Received:
    1,789
    Trophy Points:
    215
    Location:
    Okolona, KY
    Ratings:
    +3,861
    Mea culpa...
    :eusa_eh:
    1940's STD Experiments in Guatemala Violated Rights, US Commission Finds
    August 30, 2011 - U.S. commission says researchers involved with a 1940's U.S.-funded study in Guatemala deliberately exposed vulnerable individuals to sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis and gonorrhea without their consent or knowledge.
     

Share This Page