CDZ Another conversation about Universal Income

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    Good thing you stopped at "state" ... If you had said "society" you would have started to sound like Theodore Kaczynski ... :tongue-44:

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    Unfortunately statists are everywhere.
     
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    That's all well and good for self-motivators and people with interests, but you can't apply your own work ethic to other people.

    The first people to take advantage of a basic income will also be the last people to do anything on their own. Once they get listless, we would be in trouble.
     
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    The children born today may be the first generation that is predominately composed of people who will never have a job.

    We will have UBI or we will have a civilization built on ashes and ruin.
     
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    There will be conflict, but it would have to get really out of hand for the civilization to end.

    Conflict has a habit of reducing population pressures.
     
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    OK, imagine the kind of conflict that finally breaks out when 80% of the public cannot find a job and the GOP keeps telling them to get off their lazy asses.
     
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    I think you would have conflict well before 80%, unless something else culled the population.

    We need a new frontier and the only one we have left sucks at supporting life.
     
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    Even if we had a new frontier, the robots would beat everybody else to it.

    So apparently you dont get the problem.

    Corporations will not hire people when they can buy a robot that can do anything for less than $2000.
     
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    Exploration and exploitation are two different things, and if by some miracle we could figure out extra-solar travel and find habitable planets we wouldn't just send robots.

    The solution may be bans on certain type of robot labor.
     
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    Well banning drugs, prostitution and murder has really worked out well, maybe it can work with robots as well.
     

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