CDZ Another conversation about Universal Income

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    You don't think I'd respond in substance to that loaded question, do you?
     
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    Nothing but diversion?

    What part of my assertion are You not bright enough to understand, in Any at-will employment State?
     
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    Nonsense. Communism crushes individualism, creativity, and initiative. Compare economic output of the Soviet Union to that of the U.S. in the 80s.

    And ultimately, the true test is the effect on human life. The Famines orchestrated by Staling and Mao resulted in 10s of millions of deaths due to starvation BY DESIGN.

    The only intellectually and morally valid way to evaluate a human system of living is what happens to the quality and quantity of human life...at the individual level. Totalitarian systems don't value the individual, hence he is expendable to the serve the state. It's not a coincidence that the body counts of totalitarian regimes are enormous.

    DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER
     
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    Any form of Socialism requires social morals for free; the Religious practice communism, everyday.
     
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    Oh, that is just complete and utter nonsense.

    The religious do not practice communism. Try learning the difference between totalitarian state systems and voluntary religious practices.
     
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    Yes, some Religious practice Communism. They can "make it work" due to their "solidarity" regarding social morals for free, with their Own, Constitution for their Body Politic.
     
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    The communist societies of the Soviet Union and China bore no resemblance to Marx's historical dialectic materialist theory. A theory that is designed to improve the quality and quantity of human life.

    The famines were the result of the underdeveloped industrial capacity of those societies, not Marx. Marx's theory takes into account the need for capitalism to first fully develop the means of production to such a degree that society will have no problem feeding the members of society.

    Communism isn't something that needs to be forced on society by overbearing government. It arises naturally out of the conditions of present society. Like the condition that is being discussed in this thread.

    "Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence." Karl Marx
     
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    Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Stalinism and Maoism enacted Communism exactly as it was designed to work: subjugating the individual to the collective. The Big Flaw, which really is a Feature, not a Bug, is that, given human frailties, those who seek the centralized power of a totalitarian regime are not very nice people. They like the bloodshed.
     
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    Did Jesus the Christ and His Crew, waste their time and effort to try to "get you into the Collective of Heaven"?
     
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    I would vote for a robot to replace our current human representatives in government.

    Hell, I would vote for this chair on sitting on over Nancy Pelosi.
     
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