Annexing West Bank

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    Not so long ago, there was a country on the southern end of the african continent that also insisted on calling the indigenous population "non-citizens".

    Its leaders proudly called it a "boer" or "afrikaner" democracy but the rest of the world knew better and simply called it apartheid South Africa.
     
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    False equivalency. If you understood history, you would understand why. Alas you do not. Also what solution do you have and what is your dog in this fight?
     
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    Defence? What?
     
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    Or you could extrapolate the discussion into ridiculous analogies as you have done here.

    You can't get around the fact that roughly 21% of the Israeli population is Arab and almost all of those are Palestinian Arabs. That 21% enjoys full Israeli citizenship with all the liberty and benefits that comes with that.

    How can that be?

    It can only be if Israel did NOT expel all Arabs which is of course the truth. Israel did NOT expel all Arabs but only those who shared the hostile motives, intentions, and efforts of Arab nations to destroy Israel and drive out all the Jews. Were any 'innocent' Arabs included in those expelled or not allowed to return? Probably. But there was no way to tell and almost all of that generation are gone now 70+ years later anyway.
     
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    That’s a rather pointless attempt at analogy. You’re just cutting and pasting goofy slogans that a few others use.
     
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    "Natives" who can't even pronounce the name of the land?
     
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    Oh that old argument.

    As stale as mouldy bread.
     
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    it's the argument between Abraham our father and Sarah our mother A"H.
    Abraham our father was a great host, and we all know who was right in that argument.

    Yet still, those in whom called the seed of Abraham are the biggest hosts.
    Islam has its place and Judaism has its place, but only one fundamentally based on denial of the other.
     
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    Or you could extrapolate the discussion into ridiculous analogies as you have done here.

    You can't get around the fact that roughly 21% of the Israeli population is Arab and almost all of those are Palestinian Arabs. That 21% enjoys full Israeli citizenship with all the liberty and benefits that comes with that.

    How can that be?

    It can only be if Israel did NOT expel all Arabs which is of course the truth. Israel did NOT expel all Arabs but only those who shared the hostile motives, intentions, and efforts of Arab nations to destroy Israel and drive out all the Jews. Were any 'innocent' Arabs included in those expelled or not allowed to return? Probably. But there was no way to tell and almost all of that generation are gone now 70+ years later anyway.

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    Oh that old argument.

    As stale as mouldy bread.

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    Debating with you is sheer waste of time.

    Askhenazis flooded an already inhabited foreign land, destroyed its ethnic composition, created a separate settler society that eventually caused the total collapse of the native one, herded the refugees of that collapse into ethnic enclaves, spent the next 70 years shooting and bombing them and you still find a way to blame the victim.

    You are the mirror image of the anti-semite who blames Jews for everything that happens under the sun from an earthquake in Italy to a tsunami in Indonesia...

    Just like an inverted image of the anti-semite, if Israel murdered the entire arab population you'd all spend the rest of your lives blaming the bullets.

    But I don't blame you...

    Foxfyre, Hollie, Coyote, Mindful are the daughters of the post-WWII western world and one of the basic paradigms of this world is:

    THOU SHALT NOT BLAME JEWS FOR ANYTHING.

    The Holocaust only happened because german leaders blamed Jews for a series of things.

    So no matter how justified, well-grounded in historical facts your criticism is:

    THOU SHALT NOT BLAME JEWS FOR ANYTHING.

    Whether you like it or not, criticizing Jews has become a taboo something prohibited by social custom in America, Europe and most of the world.

    You cannot ask Foxfyre, mindful, Coyote, Rocco to rebel against the society that nurtured them, the society that molded the persons they are.

    You can't expect that one day Foxfyre, mindful, Hollie, Coyote will get rid of this "sanctification", this idealization of the jewish people as a people that can do no wrong.

    All you can do is wait...

    As WWII becomes more and more a distant memory we see the relaxation of this taboo with protests against Israel throughout the world but it is still the social norm.

    Someday, after living long, fruitful lives Foxfyre's, mindful's, Coyote's days on Earth will be through and they will be replaced by a new generation of westerners who will not have internalized the sanctification of the jewish people as a basic societal value.

    This will be the generation who will not be afraid to say wrong is wrong, apartheid is apartheid... even when Jews do it.
     
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    Doesn't sound like debate to me.
     
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