Anita Dunn...

[Ame®icano]

No. Quite frankly I don't. That doesn't have anything to do with the principle itself it's just that though Hitler (as fucked up as this is going to sound) only killed 12 to 14 million people in the highest estimates I've seen. This is because Hitler is sort of the known center piece for genocide awareness worldwide, AND the massive Jewish influence on the American media plays a part in this as well. Mao is not as well known as hitler in the US except for amongst the more educated individuals, those who have gone to college and studied different philosophies and lines of thought and therefore the statement holds alot less baggage.

Riiiiight... Let's blame it all at uneducated Americans. Mao is unknown to the kids, so let's teach them about his qualities other then mass killing. Just like a rebel Che, Mao should be a tee shirt icon. Well, he's not yet in the Che sales stratosphere, but still moves some product. Of course, we know what that product is. Don't we?

That brings up another point that those who are college educated especially those educated in higher level schools have a much larger tolerance level for statements about Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, etc because these individuals and others are studied indepth in the curriculum. Which is why I don't think she's a Maoist, but she simply studied Mao and finds him interesting. IDK if I'm overanalyzing but I can't help to wonder why a Maoist would openly support Maoism at a graduation at a Roman Catholic High School. I could SEE if this was a venue like a California Green Party local convention, but it's not. From what I saw it looks to me like dry college-educated irony. I think it would be dumb to say if you are planning on a career in politics, but as a political strategist (or a media political hype man) not so much. She was trying to create a rhetorical a parallel between Mao and Mother Teresa. The students seemed to be educated enough literary strategy to get it, and we have to remember she's a communications director, this woman is skilled in the art of literature, english, writing. She may have used a parallel that in the context made sense but if viewed in light of her being an important person in white house staff may raise eyebrows.

Are you're saying that educated Americans actually support and tolerate Mao's communism? Do they also bow to his ideas? I don't think so. Those who learn about his revolution know what that revolution brought to China. Learning about that is not an open invitation to support it, but opposite - not to allow anything like that happen to America.

Look at the Cuba after 50 years of communists rule. You know what happen there? Castro and Che happen, they murdered thousands upon thousands of people that did not agree with their ideas. Look what is happening today in America to those who don't like Chairman ObaMAO. If we let that continue, we're heading the same way China and Cuba went fifty years ago.

I find it pretty interesting that few years back same thing happen to Venezuela, when Chavez gain the power. Then he nationalized banks, mines, factories, took control over the media... There were heaps of people that were and still going on about Chavez the same way leftists go on about Obama. I can't believe we are actually experiencing this in America.

 

[Ame®icano]

"Which is why I don't think she's a Maoist, but she simply studied Mao and finds him interesting."

Honestly, she couldn't have "studied" him. It was an unfortunate comment she pulled out of the air (and a reference to a Mao quote first cited by a republican) in preparation for a speech she probably had no idea would ever see the light of day beyond those she delivered it to. Far from being smart, Mao was merely clever and manipulative. Mao was self-educated (a higher education home schooling) because he was not accepted in China's universities. Mao loathed the intellectuals to the point he allowed his paranoia about them being against him to purge China of the best and brightest minds (they ended up in the countryside, at hard labor, and starving with the farmers), deregulated education standards, and drained China of the minds able to make well planned policy.

She's educated woman, she's not dumb. Otherwise she wouldn't be where she is now. But, didn't uptownlivin90 said above that higher level schools have dept in curriculum. So, honestly... she could have studied him. Where did you get your knowledge about Mao, eh?

And how Dunn used him was asinine as well. To use this person, with all of history to choose from, to make the point that the kids didn't have to listen to others in defining themselves or their dreams, just doesn't make a lick of sense. Mao was all about control, hardly a liberal trait. His Hundred Flowers Movement was followed up with a purge of most of those students who made suggestions for China's future, no matter how circumspect they tried to be. Many of Mao's "revolutions" contradicted the last; one group may be purged in one, and the one he encouraged to rise up against it would be purged the next.

What purging one group by the other really tells you? What specific group Dunn represents here?

Beck used this clip (from June) in retribution for Dunn coming out with the information (in case anyone missed it) that FOX was not a legitimate news station, but a public broadcasting arm of the republican party. She was quite correct about that, and Beck is a worthless hack. But it does no good for liberals to refuse to disagree with the dumb-assed shit that came out of her mouth, as it gives political cover for the very (and I agree its grossly reaching and misrepresentative) speculation you've been dealing with on this thread.

This is the best part.

I cant believe that you are actually defending what she said because it was brought to us by Glenn Beck and Fox. No worries here, because nobody else played that clip, so it must be not so important. In fact, it's all a lie.

The same media that ignored Van Jones, ACORN and now Anita Dunn was too busy criticizing Rush Limbaugh for something that he never said.

"Slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

Left media and newspapers planted the story that turned out to be flat out lie, all in the wake of Limbaugh bid for St. Louis Rams. They even had NFL commisioner describe Rush as divisive figure, and all those nondivisive figures like Rev. Sharpten and Rev. Jackson with support of league players urged to throw Limbaugh out of picture so NFL can "unify again".

Let me see if I get this correctly: Rush Limbaugh is so divisive that his "racist comments" had to be produced by the media in order to have his bid denied. On the other hand, Anita Dunn is not divisive at all, even after she recommended Chairman Mao be a role model to high school kids.

Please!!!!

 

[uptownlivin90]

Riiiiight... Let's blame it all at uneducated Americans. Mao is unknown to the kids, so let's teach them about his qualities other then mass killing. Just like a rebel Che, Mao should be a tee shirt icon.

I'd beg to differ that the kids she was speaking infront of DIDN'T know of Mao and his autrocities. That's why they laughed when she made the statement that the two (Mao and Mother Teresa) weren't usually coupled together. Clearly they got the ironic parallel between a guy who killed millions of people and a woman who spent her life helping them. I don't think she was teaching them about his "qualities", the man was an ingenious communicator his quotes have been used by Democrats and Republicans alike, she was using him to make a point.

Are you're saying that educated Americans actually support and tolerate Mao's communism? Do they also bow to his ideas?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I've yet to see any real evidence that she supports Maoism or tolerates Maoism. What I said was that a reference to a Mao quote used to make a point is probably more tolerable amongst educated individuals and the individuals that were there seemed to be extremely bright and intelligent children that recieved a grade A level of education from what ever school they attended, because they got the joke, and actually found it funny. I found nothing funny about the clip (because it was really dry irony) until Beck popped up on the screen again.

Those who learn about his revolution know what that revolution brought to China. Learning about that is not an open invitation to support it, but opposite - not to allow anything like that happen to America.

I'm not arguing at all. I find Mao to be a disgusting individual. If you can find me a quote, though, from Anita Dunn saying specifically that she believes in Maoism and that Maoist principles should be implemented in the US, please enlighten me. And even if you do you'd first before you make the charge that she is effecting US policy, have to show me this implementation. If she's a communist she'll be open about it believe me, you'll find a quote, letter, pamplet, somewhere. But this video seems to be the only thing this Beck guy has, a simple ironic parallel used to make a point.

Look at the Cuba after 50 years of communists rule. You know what happen there? Castro and Che happen, they murdered thousands upon thousands of people that did not agree with their ideas. Look what is happening today in America to those who don't like Chairman ObaMAO. If we let that continue, we're heading the same way China and Cuba went fifty years ago.

What's that? They get a cable news show where they can whine about communists and conspiracies to kill your grandmother? Are you insane? Who has Obama killed or arrested simply for being in opposition? Who? Really? A man stood up and called the man a liar to his face over freaking HEALTH CARE REFORM... HEALTH CARE REFORM! We're turning more into the Brits then Communist Cuba. What the Hell is wrong with you people?

I find it pretty interesting that few years back same thing happen to Venezuela, when Chavez gain the power. Then he nationalized banks, mines, factories, took control over the media... There were heaps of people that were and still going on about Chavez the same way leftists go on about Obama. I can't believe we are actually experiencing this in America.

Chavez ran under a socialist ticket. There was no suprise in him nationalizing banks, mines, factories, becuase he IS a socialist. We have SOCIALISTS in America, they run as SOCIALISTS, Obama is a DEMOCRAT, which means he is a LIBERAL. He has beliefs and he laid them out we voted based on that. It is hard for me to believe that Obama will all of a sudden take a leap towards Bolivarian Socialism. But even if he does, if it makes you feel any better (and I hope it doesn't) Bolivarian Socialism in itself is very different from Maoism.

 

[007]

YouTube - Obama Cabinet Member Anita Dunn: Mao Tse Tung "Favorite Philosopher"; Truth is subjective

I can’t believe this. This is Obama’s Director of Communications, a top advisor, the wife Obama’s personal lawyer, and she does in fact support the architect of Chinese Communism whose regime saw millions of their own people die by starvation when the government takes over and controls all means of production – including food production. She has also declared all out war on Fox News.

You or I or anyone else can expose every single one of these commie loving, radical, zealot pieces of shit like this skank or van jones surrounding obama whom he appointed, and it won't make one wit of a difference to the brain dead, kook aide drinking, indoctrinated, dough head liberals, Sinatra. But don't worry. They're the minority. Most thinking people that will listen and make rational decisions aren't liberals.

See what I mean? Just read some of the tripe posted here in defense of this genocidal commie worshiping whore who obama appointed. The indoctrination and brain washing runs DEEP with a few of them here. They'd defend obama to the ends of the earth, because he's a radical liberal just like they are.

Consider the source and don't care man, because the mid term elections are deal these shit heads a blow like non before seen in American history. America is STILL basically a GOOD country, and these shit for brains that think like obama and defend him are going to be shown the door, and politely kicked in the ass and told to get the fuck out.

 

[Ame®icano]

I'd beg to differ that the kids she was speaking infront of DIDN'T know of Mao and his autrocities. That's why they laughed when she made the statement that the two (Mao and Mother Teresa) weren't usually coupled together. Clearly they got the ironic parallel between a guy who killed millions of people and a woman who spent her life helping them. I don't think she was teaching them about his "qualities", the man was an ingenious communicator his quotes have been used by Democrats and Republicans alike, she was using him to make a point.

High school students are all but entirely unaware of Mao, and the few that aren’t know him mainly as a t-shirt graphic or "agrarian reformer". I am pretty sure that kids know what else he did...

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I've yet to see any real evidence that she supports Maoism or tolerates Maoism. What I said was that a reference to a Mao quote used to make a point is probably more tolerable amongst educated individuals and the individuals that were there seemed to be extremely bright and intelligent children that recieved a grade A level of education from what ever school they attended, because they got the joke, and actually found it funny. I found nothing funny about the clip (because it was really dry irony) until Beck popped up on the screen again.

This is what she said: "The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa. Not often coupled with each other, but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is..."

If Mao is one of two that she "turn to most", can we assume that this speech is not only occasion when she turns to him. If she's admitting that publicly to high school kids, what is she doing behind the curtain? As a Obama's Director of Communications, she said to the camera that Fox is extended hand of Republican party. Doesn't that look like pointing fingers at those who do not agree with Obama. She maybe turn to Mao for advise... What would Chairman Mao do? Hmmm, let's smear them, boycott them, shut them off, ... screw all that, let's "execute" them. I bet, she would like that.

I'm not arguing at all. I find Mao to be a disgusting individual. If you can find me a quote, though, from Anita Dunn saying specifically that she believes in Maoism and that Maoist principles should be implemented in the US, please enlighten me. And even if you do you'd first before you make the charge that she is effecting US policy, have to show me this implementation. If she's a communist she'll be open about it believe me, you'll find a quote, letter, pamplet, somewhere. But this video seems to be the only thing this Beck guy has, a simple ironic parallel used to make a point.

I haven't look for any, I am giving my opinion on what I saw. Your point is that her speech is only time when she mentioned Mao and that is not a proof she believe in Maoism. I said above, that if she turn to Mao most, then probably it's not only remark to him she made. I don't know if Beck has anything else on her. What if he does?

When Beck aired first Acorn video, all on the left were defending Acorn. Then second video came out, third, fourth... Suddenly, it was not isolated case, it was all over the place. When Beck pointed on Van Jones first time, all on the left ignored it, it was another isolated incident, but when more video came out, left threw him under the bus. That’s why I think this is not just another isolated incident. Do you see my point?

What's that? They get a cable news show where they can whine about communists and conspiracies to kill your grandmother? Are you insane? Who has Obama killed or arrested simply for being in opposition? Who? Really? A man stood up and called the man a liar to his face over freaking HEALTH CARE REFORM... HEALTH CARE REFORM! We're turning more into the Brits then Communist Cuba. What the Hell is wrong with you people?

I said nothing like that. When Wilson told Obama lies, and later apologized, do you remember what left controlled congress did to him? Can you tell me what Obama is doing by ignoring and boycotting most watched news channel?

Chavez ran under a socialist ticket. There was no suprise in him nationalizing banks, mines, factories, becuase he IS a socialist. We have SOCIALISTS in America, they run as SOCIALISTS, Obama is a DEMOCRAT, which means he is a LIBERAL. He has beliefs and he laid them out we voted based on that. It is hard for me to believe that Obama will all of a sudden take a leap towards Bolivarian Socialism. But even if he does, if it makes you feel any better (and I hope it doesn't) Bolivarian Socialism in itself is very different from Maoism.

I am debating with you on a simple believe that communists have no business in the White House. Americans knows that, and communists knows that. That’s why they are hiding, and once they get exposed, they get thrown under the bus, or simply reassigned elsewhere.

I wouldn't rely on anything Obama said so far. He may have Democrat's badge, but his beliefs and agenda he's pushing under that badge are far far left, or should I say socialist. If Obama was running under socialist ticket, like Chavez did in Venezuela, he would never win the election because Americans wouldn't allow that. His administration is full of "hidden" socialists, one by one are coming out of closet or being exposed. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Obama has ties to DSA or Chicago New party... would you?

 

[Zona]

Karl Rove, another Fox News contributor, wrote in a December 2008 Wall Street Journal op-ed that President Bush "encouraged me to read a Mao biography."

Obama aide fires back at Beck over Mao remarks - CNN.com

 

[mudwhistle]

So according to this post Obama considers Fox News to be an arm of the GOP and thus the enemy.

When is Obama going to make friends with his opponents?

He's made friends with all of our enemies. When is he gonna start using this same philosophy and start making friends with other Americans?

 

[Sherry]

Karl Rove, another Fox News contributor, wrote in a December 2008 Wall Street Journal op-ed that President Bush "encouraged me to read a Mao biography."

Obama aide fires back at Beck over Mao remarks - CNN.com

For what reason?? To emulate him?? To be aware of history?? Quoting anyone is not the issue, because within a certain context there can be an appropriate reason. Dunn demonstrated that she admires Mao.

 

[garyd]

Demostrated she said it!

If She talks to Obama she has influence with Obama. It may or may not be a lot but it none-the-less is influence. As for the notion that Fox is an arm of the Repblican party -Pulease Beck is a libertarian and says so with frequency. O'Reilly is all over the ball park especially on economic issues. It is hard to argue that the actual News shows lean one way or the other.

 

[Barb]

"Where did you get your knowledge about Mao, eh?"

15 Week undergrad course on Modern China

 

[Ame®icano]

Communism is an economic construct, just a capitalism is. Neither one, taken to their logical extremes, is good for the populace. Did you know that the scientist that gave us E = mc^2 and urged Roosevelt to build the Atomic Bomb (because Germany was going in that direction and which he later regretted) was a socialist? This Nobel prize winner and the Times man of the 20th century had his own FBI file, started on the charges of one Harriet Frothingham, that he should not be granted citizenship because of his political beliefs. How fucked up is that? The greatest and most peaceable mind of the 20th century almost couldn't live in or contribute to the US because of anticommunist hysteria. And you want to bring all that back?

Please explain why is that? What is so good in communism that we should adopt and accept in the US?

Twenty years ago, Berlin Wall came down after the Reagan called for it few years ahead. The fall of Berlin Wall and Warsaw Pact was by far, the biggest liberation of the people in the history of mankind. If communism was so good, why every singe European country that used to belong to Warsaw pact rejected it?

Every year since, World is celebrating fall of Berlin Wall and victory over communism regime. Last year Obama delivered speech at the same place where Reagan stood twenty years earlier and that speech was aired widely all over the World. This year was twentieth anniversary of the fall of Berlin Wall, and I haven't seen anyone on the left even mentioned it. I wonder why?

Maybe because communism is getting widely accepted in America? New breed of socialists are not even hiding anymore, they adopted the name of "liberals" and "progressives" and openly promoting communists ideas. Do you think something like this is normal in America?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1gH8aUhcTA]YouTube - Bill Maher China is so efficient[/ame]

Maher is not even hiding his support of Maoism, and some "Americans" are applauding him for that. Anita Dunn found her favorite philosopher in Mao, and for this White House that is entirely normal. Do you see direction we're heading?

 

[Chris]

So according to this post Obama considers Fox News to be an arm of the GOP and thus the enemy.

When is Obama going to make friends with his opponents?

He's made friends with all of our enemies. When is he gonna start using this same philosophy and start making friends with other Americans?

FoxNews is the enemy of all Americans.

 

[007]

So according to this post Obama considers Fox News to be an arm of the GOP and thus the enemy.

When is Obama going to make friends with his opponents?

He's made friends with all of our enemies. When is he gonna start using this same philosophy and start making friends with other Americans?

FoxNews is the enemy of all Americans.

oooOOOOoooohhh..... the almight chrissy speaks.... it MUST be TRUE.... phht...

You've demonstrated time and again just how fucking STUPID you are to this board, saying SHIT just like the statement above. You don't know your fucking ass from a hole in the ground.

SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON!

 

[Zona]

So according to this post Obama considers Fox News to be an arm of the GOP and thus the enemy.

When is Obama going to make friends with his opponents?

He's made friends with all of our enemies. When is he gonna start using this same philosophy and start making friends with other Americans?

FoxNews is the enemy of all Americans.

oooOOOOoooohhh..... the almight chrissy speaks.... it MUST be TRUE.... phht...

You've demonstrated time and again just how fucking STUPID you are to this board, saying SHIT just like the statement above. You don't know your fucking ass from a hole in the ground.

SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON!

Dive Con, is that you?

 

[uptownlivin90]

High school students are all but entirely unaware of Mao, and the few that aren’t know him mainly as a t-shirt graphic or "agrarian reformer". I am pretty sure that kids know what else he did...

This is what she said: "The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa. Not often coupled with each other, but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is..."

If Mao is one of two that she "turn to most", can we assume that this speech is not only occasion when she turns to him. If she's admitting that publicly to high school kids, what is she doing behind the curtain?

I'm well aware of what she said I quoted it word for word on various forums and people still fail to get the point because they are so wrapped up on the "turn to most" part, but clearly she says that she turns to them to deliver a point. There are two things we CAN assume from this statement.

#1. She turns to Mao and Mother Teresa to make this point.
#2. She turns to Mao and Mother Teresa alot to make this point says she says she "turns to them most"... suggesting ONLY that she's done this speech or a similar speech like it before.

Again I don't see anything that suggests that she IS a Maoist.

As a Obama's Director of Communications, she said to the camera that Fox is extended hand of Republican party. Doesn't that look like pointing fingers at those who do not agree with Obama. She maybe turn to Mao for advise... What would Chairman Mao do? Hmmm, let's smear them, boycott them, shut them off, ... screw all that, let's "execute" them. I bet, she would like that.

Let's assume that she would. One she's in no position to do that. Two, we have a system of checks and balances in this nation that will put up with alot of shit but Maoism, not so much. It's just not theoretically possible atleast not within ONE administration or even five. Hell the Democrats (assuming that they are some totalitarian puppet wing of the communist party... which there is not a shred of evidence for) can't even get a health care bill passed... wth do you think they look like leading a mass genocide?

As for FOX, yes FOX is biased towards the Republican Party JUST LIKE MSNBC is biased towards the Dems, and CNN is just like f-everybody. Notice she went on MSNBC to rail about FOX, it's a political game and both MSNBC and FOX get paid big time for the exchange. Usually, luckily for FOX it's the opposition that get's the most ratings out of a competition... especially when the President's popularity decreases. It's the way this nation works, the media is the 4th wing of the government. Her atack on FOX is not a "communist" tactic, it's an American one, clear as day.

I haven't look for any, I am giving my opinion on what I saw. Your point is that her speech is only time when she mentioned Mao and that is not a proof she believe in Maoism. I said above, that if she turn to Mao most, then probably it's not only remark to him she made. I don't know if Beck has anything else on her. What if he does?

Depends on what it looks like. If she says I believe "in the tenants of Maoism" or "Mao was this wonderful guy that did the best by his people", I'd believe she was either a communist or completely dillusional. Which is in most cases absolutely true. Then I'd wait for the Obama administration to respond. Again in staffer positions people's political opinions and shit aren't taken into question when hiring for the job just their education and the skill level for what she does, (public relations). This could have went under the radar, just like my boss doesn't have a damn clue what political ideology I am. I'm sure somebody new that helped with the hiring process, but your not supposed to take those things into account with certain jobs, only jobs that dictate policy.

When Beck aired first Acorn video, all on the left were defending Acorn. Then second video came out, third, fourth... Suddenly, it was not isolated case, it was all over the place. When Beck pointed on Van Jones first time, all on the left ignored it, it was another isolated incident, but when more video came out, left threw him under the bus. That’s why I think this is not just another isolated incident. Do you see my point?

I know people that work for ACORN and live in a liberal district, (for my district I'm considered conservative), so there's alot of ACORN activity here. I was always aware that there was corruption in ACORN, my experience with the organization is that it's not the most selective organization out there. Pretty much anyone can hold a leadership position in ACORN. There are former drug dealers, rehabilitated drug users, people who have been in and out of the system. It's not so much the organization but some of the people they let get to high in offices. As for Van... won't even bother, the man WAS a communist, and I don't think it was the smartest thing for him to be where he was. However, I don't believe him to be apart of a vast communist conspiracy. Him and Anita Dunn are in no way connected... again no one has proved that she is a Maoist.

I said nothing like that. When Wilson told Obama lies, and later apologized, do you remember what left controlled congress did to him? Can you tell me what Obama is doing by ignoring and boycotting most watched news channel?

Again, I live in a majority liberal district. Democrats have been boycotting FOX since the Bush Administration. Secondly, your just not supposed to yell out at a speech and it wasn't the Dems that asked Joe Wilson to apologize, and I personally couldn't care less if he did or not. Members of his own party said he was out of line. They did the same thing and asked the Democratic guy from Florida to apologize for saying that Republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick. He said stick it up your ass pretty much but... lol I mean they still tried.

I am debating with you on a simple believe that communists have no business in the White House. Americans knows that, and communists knows that. That’s why they are hiding, and once they get exposed, they get thrown under the bus, or simply reassigned elsewhere.

There's still not even enough proof to suggest she's a Maoist.

I wouldn't rely on anything Obama said so far. He may have Democrat's badge, but his beliefs and agenda he's pushing under that badge are far far left, or should I say socialist. If Obama was running under socialist ticket, like Chavez did in Venezuela, he would never win the election because Americans wouldn't allow that. His administration is full of "hidden" socialists, one by one are coming out of closet or being exposed. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Obama has ties to DSA or Chicago New party... would you?

The public option rather than single payer. Still hasn't closed down gitmo, adn probably won't. Supported the bank bailout. I wouldn't call him a socialist at all. Far left at heart maybe, but he's governing as a center-left right now.

As for whether or not I'd be suprised if Obama had ties to the DSA or the Chicago New Party... CNP, no. If the DSA has a strong presence in Chicago or a large Chicago chapter maybe as local politicians always have to work with small organizations in inner cities. Dems, Reps, if your the mayor or a politician in a major city like Chicago your going to have to work with certain people. The DSA are not outside of political influence. These are not crazy buncker hidden guys with AK47 screaming revolution. DSA operates the same way any other political party operates. The DSA has elections, a platform, and conventions, and run in various local elections all the time. They're pretty close to the Greens... I don't actually know what the big difference is in their platform to tell the truth... because I've read both. Anyway... Obama's line of work means he has to work with certain people from time to time he and I and you may not like. I've had similar experiences. There was a communist radical in a program I had to work in to advocate against violence in Prince George's County Schools, he has a child that goes to a public school in the area, and one that was killed in 2006 I think by stray bullets outside of a middle school parking lot. I mean these people (DSA members, Communist USA members) exist, they have families, jobs, careers, loved ones, concerns, some of them are upper class, lower class, some have degrees some are "self-educated".

Anyway... yeah if you want to convince me of a radical communist conspiracy in the government I don't want names I want documented evidence of the conspiracy. Whenever you have a conspiracy there has to be some sort of writing or statement that backs it up. For instance the Alex jones folks have all the "NWO" quotes from past presidents and such. I mean Beck's problem is he names these people calls them communists (only ONE of them ever was one) and then says based on that there's a liberal conspiracy to turn America into China. I kind of see a little stretch here. Same tactics McCarthy used.

 

[uptownlivin90]

Communism is an economic construct, just a capitalism is. Neither one, taken to their logical extremes, is good for the populace. Did you know that the scientist that gave us E = mc^2 and urged Roosevelt to build the Atomic Bomb (because Germany was going in that direction and which he later regretted) was a socialist? This Nobel prize winner and the Times man of the 20th century had his own FBI file, started on the charges of one Harriet Frothingham, that he should not be granted citizenship because of his political beliefs. How fucked up is that? The greatest and most peaceable mind of the 20th century almost couldn't live in or contribute to the US because of anticommunist hysteria. And you want to bring all that back?

Please explain why is that? What is so good in communism that we should adopt and accept in the US?

Twenty years ago, Berlin Wall came down after the Reagan called for it few years ahead. The fall of Berlin Wall and Warsaw Pact was by far, the biggest liberation of the people in the history of mankind. If communism was so good, why every singe European country that used to belong to Warsaw pact rejected it?

Every year since, World is celebrating fall of Berlin Wall and victory over communism regime. Last year Obama delivered speech at the same place where Reagan stood twenty years earlier and that speech was aired widely all over the World. This year was twentieth anniversary of the fall of Berlin Wall, and I haven't seen anyone on the left even mentioned it. I wonder why?

Maybe because communism is getting widely accepted in America? New breed of socialists are not even hiding anymore, they adopted the name of "liberals" and "progressives" and openly promoting communists ideas. Do you think something like this is normal in America?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1gH8aUhcTA]YouTube - Bill Maher China is so efficient[/ame]

Maher is not even hiding his support of Maoism, and some "Americans" are applauding him for that. Anita Dunn found her favorite philosopher in Mao, and for this White House that is entirely normal. Do you see direction we're heading?

You're proving my point sir. Beck and people like you do not and do not intend to stop at Anita Dunn or at the government. You want an ideological purge of America, and if you expect me a tax paying citizen to support fascism I WILL NOT. What does Bill Maher have to do with Obama? What does Bill Maher have to do with government. WHY should I car eif Bill Maher is a communist? Which coincidently he's not, I mean that was clearly SARCASM... and I can gaurantee that he's not the only one to say it and there's a few on right that have said it to "I wish we had a dictatorship".

Fact is we have something called the 1st Amendment in this country. We respect people's freedom of speech. That means if I want to be sarcastic or even TRUTHFUL and go on nation TV and say I envy China for it's totalitarianism, that's my free right to do so. THAT'S what makes this nation what it is. That's the founding principle of this nation FREEDOM... even if you just want to be FREE to be DUMB. You have that right. Glenn Beck is the sorriest excuse of a libertarian I've seen in my life... he's a neo-con... he supported BUSH... and the BAILOUT... he continuously attacks people for their ideology and NOT their actions. He is a fascist... who wants division. Why can't you people see that?

 

[uptownlivin90]

Demostrated she said it!

If She talks to Obama she has influence with Obama. It may or may not be a lot but it none-the-less is influence. As for the notion that Fox is an arm of the Repblican party -Pulease Beck is a libertarian and says so with frequency. O'Reilly is all over the ball park especially on economic issues. It is hard to argue that the actual News shows lean one way or the other.

Beck wasn't a libertarian until HE GOT ON FOX NEWS.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY3a6dMFdnY]YouTube - Glenn Beck Neo Con NOT Libertarian[/ame]

I'd look up what Zietgiest and Alex Jones have to say about the guy too if I were you:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztUIMoxw3D4[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj4uvZEEg_I[/ame]

His apology to libertarians comes on the heals of who getting into office OBAMA a democrat. It's all a gaaaame people... it's all a gaaame!!

Like... here:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWBXApPTHrU&feature=related[/ame]

The guy is what sells. The man is an entertainer. Period.

And O'Reilly is a neo-con plan and simple. War on Christmas anyone?
NOTE: I DON'T CONDONE ALEX JONE BEHAVIOR IN CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS NOR AM I AN ALEX JONES FOLLOWER. I DO SUBSCRIBE TO HIS WEBSITE BECAUSE I LIKE TO READ SOME OF THE SHIT HE WRITES... BECAUSE 1. IT'S INTERESTING... and 2. EVERY ONCE IN A BLUE MOON IT'S FACTUAL... and IT'S ACTUALLY BIPARTISAN. LOL... HE HATES EVERYBODY. SO JUST SIT BACK... RELAX AND WATCH HOW A TRUE CONSPIRACY THEORIST DOES IS THANG.

 

[Barb]

Communism is an economic construct, just a capitalism is. Neither one, taken to their logical extremes, is good for the populace. Did you know that the scientist that gave us E = mc^2 and urged Roosevelt to build the Atomic Bomb (because Germany was going in that direction and which he later regretted) was a socialist? This Nobel prize winner and the Times man of the 20th century had his own FBI file, started on the charges of one Harriet Frothingham, that he should not be granted citizenship because of his political beliefs. How fucked up is that? The greatest and most peaceable mind of the 20th century almost couldn't live in or contribute to the US because of anticommunist hysteria. And you want to bring all that back?

Please explain why is that? What is so good in communism that we should adopt and accept in the US?

Twenty years ago, Berlin Wall came down after the Reagan called for it few years ahead. The fall of Berlin Wall and Warsaw Pact was by far, the biggest liberation of the people in the history of mankind. If communism was so good, why every singe European country that used to belong to Warsaw pact rejected it?

Every year since, World is celebrating fall of Berlin Wall and victory over communism regime. Last year Obama delivered speech at the same place where Reagan stood twenty years earlier and that speech was aired widely all over the World. This year was twentieth anniversary of the fall of Berlin Wall, and I haven't seen anyone on the left even mentioned it. I wonder why?

Maybe because communism is getting widely accepted in America? New breed of socialists are not even hiding anymore, they adopted the name of "liberals" and "progressives" and openly promoting communists ideas. Do you think something like this is normal in America?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1gH8aUhcTA]YouTube - Bill Maher China is so efficient[/ame]

Maher is not even hiding his support of Maoism, and some "Americans" are applauding him for that. Anita Dunn found her favorite philosopher in Mao, and for this White House that is entirely normal. Do you see direction we're heading?

You need to read more carefully. Clearly, you missed this part:
Communism is an economic construct, just a capitalism is. Neither one, taken to their logical extremes, is good for the populace.
Socialism is not the same as communism, it would be helpful for you to look up the terms.

 

[Chris]

A "socialist" is what a Republican calls someone who is smarter than they are.

 

[concept]

A "socialist" is what a Republican calls someone who is smarter than they are.

that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.