Animation: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011

[Procrustes Stretched]

Animation: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011

What's a conservative, science denier to do?

follow the link Space Images: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011 - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and go to Click on the image for the animation which will take you to an animation, or just browse that liberal JPL web site.

NASA launched GRACE in 2002 to obtain high-resolution, global measurements of Earth's gravity field from space. After 10 years, GRACE continues to reveal increasingly subtle changes in Earth's gravity field. These gravity variations reflect changes in the distribution of Earth's mass, including changes in water storage in river basins on land, changes in ice mass in Greenland and Antarctica, ocean mass changes, and even changes caused by large earthquakes. GRACE data are substantially improving our knowledge of important aspects of global change, including the climate consequences of a warming world.

Grace is a collaborative endeavor involving the Center for Space Research at the University of Texas, Austin; NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.; the German Space Agency and Germany's National Research Center for Geosciences, Potsdam.

 

[Old Rocks]

Find deeper sand for his head?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Find deeper sand for his head?

damn scientists...all leftists with a socialist agenda!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Animation: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011

What's a conservative, science denier to do?

Ideology has no role in this, though there is a greater niavete among leftist for any bullshit speculation that tumbles out of the mouth of any generally recognized as a scientist.

But in this case, the masses of ice in the Northern hemisphere have obviously been melting from their peak during the last Little Ice Age as the planet has warmed since then. Also, the records for Greenlands ice melts ahve been greater in the past, like in the 1930's if I recall correctly.

That you think photos overe the last ten years when tempeerature increases have generally plateued are all that persuasive, then you are apparently suffering from 'confirmation bias'.

Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[westwall]

Animation: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011

What's a conservative, science denier to do?

follow the link Space Images: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011 - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and go to Click on the image for the animation which will take you to an animation, or just browse that liberal JPL web site.

NASA launched GRACE in 2002 to obtain high-resolution, global measurements of Earth's gravity field from space. After 10 years, GRACE continues to reveal increasingly subtle changes in Earth's gravity field. These gravity variations reflect changes in the distribution of Earth's mass, including changes in water storage in river basins on land, changes in ice mass in Greenland and Antarctica, ocean mass changes, and even changes caused by large earthquakes. GRACE data are substantially improving our knowledge of important aspects of global change, including the climate consequences of a warming world.

Grace is a collaborative endeavor involving the Center for Space Research at the University of Texas, Austin; NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.; the German Space Agency and Germany's National Research Center for Geosciences, Potsdam.

Greenlands glacier retreat was greater in the 1930's than it is today. But that would be science and you cultists don't do science. Do you....


"1930s photos show Greenland glaciers retreating faster than today

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Recently unearthed photographs taken by Danish explorers in the 1930s show glaciers in Greenland retreating faster than they are today, according to researchers.


We're not worried about rising sea levels. Well, we are in a seaplane.

The photos in question were taken by the seventh Thule Expedition to Greenland led by Dr Knud Rasmussen in 1932. The explorers were equipped with a seaplane, which they used to take aerial snaps of glaciers along the Arctic island's coasts.

After the expedition returned the photographs were used to make maps and charts of the area, then placed in archives in Denmark where they lay forgotten for decades. Then, in recent years, international researchers trying to find information on the history of the Greenland glaciers stumbled across them.

Taken together the pictures show clearly that glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today, according to Professor Jason Box, who works at the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State uni."





1930s photos show Greenland glaciers retreating faster than today ? The Register

 

[Old Rocks]

Those were land terminating glaciers for the most part. Nowhere near the ice mass of sea terminating glaciers.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

 

[westwall]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....


"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).



In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.



When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

 

[percysunshine]

An animation is a theory in motion. But it is still just a theory, or in some cases, a Mickey Mouse cartoon.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....


"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).



In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.



When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....

"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).

In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.

When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Um, OR, I dont think proxies EVER substitute for actual measurments since there are too many variables that deny an ability to get even a certain number of significant digits for the data used from the proxy. They may be useful for guesstimates but that is not something one can compare to actually measured stats.

Take the tree ring data for example used for many AGW models. The same data that shows cooler temperatures for areas prior to acurate measuring instruments being present also shows a continuing cooling process with a resultant decline in temperatures that the current global measurements refute.

So how acurate is the tree ring data for past temperatures? We really dont know, but we do know that they dont entirely correspond to known temperatures that have actually been measured directly.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

Well not the past predictions I have seen. I am old enought to remember how we only had seven years to save the Earth back in 1995 when I graudated from college after about eight years of night school.

OR, there is a huge money making industry among scientists that promote the AGW agenda, and I no longer have any confidence in the objectivity or scientific rigor of the current climate science establishment. I think this is a growing view of that discipline.

 

[westwall]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....


"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).



In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.



When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

No computer model that your priests have ever come up with has ever even remotely been even close to correct. They have all failed miserably and as the study in the Journal of Forecasting showed, they are so bad that complete random choices were more than twice as accurate at prediction.

That's pathetic.

 

[bripat9643]

Animation: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011

What's a conservative, science denier to do?

follow the link Space Images: Ice Mass Loss on Greenland, 2003-2011 - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and go to Click on the image for the animation which will take you to an animation, or just browse that liberal JPL web site.

NASA launched GRACE in 2002 to obtain high-resolution, global measurements of Earth's gravity field from space. After 10 years, GRACE continues to reveal increasingly subtle changes in Earth's gravity field. These gravity variations reflect changes in the distribution of Earth's mass, including changes in water storage in river basins on land, changes in ice mass in Greenland and Antarctica, ocean mass changes, and even changes caused by large earthquakes. GRACE data are substantially improving our knowledge of important aspects of global change, including the climate consequences of a warming world.

Furthermore, these "images" the article refers to are not photographs. The are computer generated. You can make a computer generate virtually any "image" you want it to generate.

Grace is a collaborative endeavor involving the Center for Space Research at the University of Texas, Austin; NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.; the German Space Agency and Germany's National Research Center for Geosciences, Potsdam.

The maximum range of the vertical scale is 140 centimeters. That's 1.4 meters of snow. You are expecting us to believe that some satellite can measure the difference in gravity caused by a difference in snow height of 1.4 meters? Water weighs about 65 lbs per cubic foot, so we are talking about a difference of 300 lbs per sq ft that the satellite must detect in the mass of the earth from space. I frankly don't believe that amount is larger than the resolution of the instrument.

 

[bripat9643]

Here is another animation concerning the rise of CO2 and how the increasing acidity of the ocean is affecting the saturation level of aragonite.

Outreach

Nearly 80% of the increase in CO2 has occured in my lifetime.

By "animation" you mean "cartoon," right? When did anyone perform measurements of the acidity of the entire ocean in 1800? The data for your "animation" doesn't exist, so it must have been made-up.

 

[Old Rocks]

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....


"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).



In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.



When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

No computer model that your priests have ever come up with has ever even remotely been even close to correct. They have all failed miserably and as the study in the Journal of Forecasting showed, they are so bad that complete random choices were more than twice as accurate at prediction.

That's pathetic.

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_etal.pdf

 

[Old Rocks]

Horse crap. They never bothered to measure it before so we have no idea WHAT it was like before. And as I pointed out in the other link, carbonates are MORE SOLUABLE in colder water than warm which kinda screws with your little fairytale....

"Counter to the typical increase of mineral solubility with increasing temperature observed for most minerals, many carbonate minerals are more soluble in cold water. For example, the Ksp for calcite at 0 and at 50 is 10-8.02 and 10-8.63, respectively (Garrels and Christ, 1965). These values represent about a four-fold difference in calcite solubility caused by temperature alone. A thorough discussion of the thermodynamic reactions of carbonate minerals solubilities is beyond the scope of this article. A simplified explanation for carbonate minerals being more soluble in cold water is that the dissolution reaction for carbonate minerals is exothermic, which results in higher temperatures favoring the solid phase over dissolved ions. A more detailed discussion for this unusual behavior can be found in Langmuir (1997).

In addition to an increase in solubility products with decreasing temperature, carbon dioxide is more soluble at lower temperatures, further favoring carbonate mineral dissolution in cooler environments. More carbonic acid is present in cold water at a given partial pressure of carbon dioxide (P ) and carbonic acid concentration is the controlling factor for the solubility of carbonate minerals under natural conditions. Carbon dioxide is obtained from the air or from decomposition of organic matter that releases carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form carbonic acid. These factors combine to form the calcite compensation depth (about 4,500 m) below which calcite dissolves.

When geothermal waters reach the surface of Earth and precipitate tufa, a calciumcarbonate rock, some reaction must overcome the temperature decrease or these waters would dissolve calcite rather than deposit tufa as the water cools. The required reaction is the loss of CO2 due to lower P pressure at Earth’s surface and subsequent a decrease in the amount of carbonic acid, which controls the amount of dissolved calcite (see Calcite Solubility below)."


Carbonate Chemistry

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Um, OR, I dont think proxies EVER substitute for actual measurments since there are too many variables that deny an ability to get even a certain number of significant digits for the data used from the proxy. They may be useful for guesstimates but that is not something one can compare to actually measured stats.

Take the tree ring data for example used for many AGW models. The same data that shows cooler temperatures for areas prior to acurate measuring instruments being present also shows a continuing cooling process with a resultant decline in temperatures that the current global measurements refute.

So how acurate is the tree ring data for past temperatures? We really dont know, but we do know that they dont entirely correspond to known temperatures that have actually been measured directly.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

Well not the past predictions I have seen. I am old enought to remember how we only had seven years to save the Earth back in 1995 when I graudated from college after about eight years of night school.

OR, there is a huge money making industry among scientists that promote the AGW agenda, and I no longer have any confidence in the objectivity or scientific rigor of the current climate science establishment. I think this is a growing view of that discipline.

How about Munich Re, or Swiss Re? Glaciers, of which I have personally seen in several mountain ranges in the west. And which you can see worldwide from the satellite photos over the years at the USGS sites. Arctic ice, the loss of ice in Greenland and Antarctica. Observations of thousands of scientists in the very many differant disciplines in which on seas the affect of the warming.

Do you think that every scientific discipline in all the many differant nations and political systems have all conspired to fool us on this issue? Have done so, so successfully, that every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger.

 

[Old Rocks]

Information source from peer reviewed journals.

AGW Observer

 

[westwall]

Again, you lie, Walleyes. The proxies they have for that give very good information concerning the amount of aragonite in solution for as recent as 1800.

Yes, as the ocean waters warm, and become more acidic, there will be less aragonite in solution. Which is what the site demonstrates. Demonstrates with historic data, and with reasonable projections from present increases in heat and acidity. And, as has been the case with the past predictions, probably have underestimated the speed with which this will occur.

No computer model that your priests have ever come up with has ever even remotely been even close to correct. They have all failed miserably and as the study in the Journal of Forecasting showed, they are so bad that complete random choices were more than twice as accurate at prediction.

That's pathetic.

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_etal.pdf

You consider a 150% error good?

 

[westwall]

Information source from peer reviewed journals.

AGW Observer

No, those are "pal reviewed".

 

[Old Rocks]

The whole of the scientific community dissagrees with Walleyes. Such a shame that they are all wrong