Animal Rights, Yes or No

[doeton]

i'm betting RetiredGySgT sees animals purpose as being just a little larger than Stivex's simplication...


if they are simply what's for dinner then why the need to treat them kindly?

 

[manifold]

Methinks you posted in the wrong thread.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well, basically what you are eating now is corn, so this might actually be an improvement.

Absolutely ignorant on so many levels as to be stupifying.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

i'm betting RetiredGySgT sees animals purpose as being just a little larger than Stivex's simplication...


if they are simply what's for dinner then why the need to treat them kindly?

There is little need to pamper any livestock. They should have safe clean environments, which are generally already required by the simple fact that is sanitary.

A pig that is grown for the purpose of being butchered for food does not need to run in the fields and muck about in a pigsty.

There should be no cruelty and no mistreatment.

Pets on the other hand should be well cared for and treated in a much better manner. They are part of your family. Wild animals should be left alone except when hunting them as legally provided under law.

No one should purposefully try to run over animals in the road, nor shoot them just for sport. Exception being over population, then culling is required to ensure the majority survive.

Putting a cow or a pig in a cage is neither cruel nor bad. So long as it is feed and watered and its health seen to, if it is food, that is all that is required.

Does that help you?

 

[007]

Naaaa.... animals don't have any rights... go ahead... beat your pet dog or cat to death. They're just here to be treated any damn way we see fit right?

 

[Shogun]

Ain't that the truth.


But here's the irony from where I'm sitting.

This ban in no way prohibits anyone from eating fast food. You see this clearly, yet Soggy does not. On the other hand, filtering porn from library computers ALSO in no way prohibits anyone from enjoying pornography. Soggy sees this clearly, yet you do not. If only I could figure out why, I'd be a pretty smart guy.

If libraries were private businesses, like a sex shop, there would be no grounds to restrict porn access. Likewise, restricting low income citizens the same options as anyone else while Fast Food is a legal product chafes my sense of liberty.

for real.. you need to take notes.


Also, on issues like this.. I recommend Philip K. Dicks "The Chromium Fence"

The Chromium Fence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ravi]

Absolutely ignorant on so many levels as to be stupifying.

Really? What do you think they force feed those cows on your dinner plate?

 

[Shogun]

and, for the record, I agree with whomever above stated that animals do not have any rights that we do not extend for them. We've chosen not to act like China with dogs yet kill cows unlike india. Hell, I'd risk my life to save my dog before I would for most of you but i'm still going to hunt bambi and enjoy the deer jerky, berger, steaks and sausage bambi provides.


But me and my dog have an understanding in the event that we both crash on the andes mountains: He with the opposable thumbs gets to eat the other.

 

[CA95380]

How would you vote on this measure?

My vote? I agree with what he said ...

So, yes, I eat meat (even, hesitantly, goose). But I draw the line at animals being raised in cruel conditions. The law punishes teenage boys who tie up and abuse a stray cat. So why allow industrialists to run factory farms that keep pigs almost all their lives in tiny pens that are barely bigger than they are?

But then again I go along with a ban on puppy mill's too.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Really? What do you think they force feed those cows on your dinner plate?

Are you just retarded?

 

[Ravi]

Are you just retarded?

Not just.

Do you get out much?

 

[Shogun]

Not corn.

Gates Bar B.Q.

 

[Bern80]

Really? What do you think they force feed those cows on your dinner plate?

How do you know what he puts on his plate? Not everbody eats store bought meat. Many people raise their own cows. Many people only eat what they have killed through hunting (like myself).

There is a particular double standard (which I'm not accusing you of, Ravi). It is further proof to me anyway that the left has a hard time prioritzing the best solution to a problem. If PETA want's to stop animal cruelty, why are they focusing on the least offender, which would be humans? Why aren't they trying to keep sharks from thrashing up baby seals? Why aren't they trying to train timberwolves to eat vegetables rather than whitetail deer?Both of those animals put animals in an awful lot of pain, I would dare say far more than humans.

 

[Ravi]

How do you know what he puts on his plate? Not everbody eats store bought meat. Many people raise their own cows. Many people only eat what they have killed through hunting (like myself).

There is a particular double standard (which I'm not accusing you of, Ravi). It is further proof to me anyway that the left has a hard time prioritzing the best solution to a problem. If PETA want's to stop animal cruelty, why are they focusing on the least offender, which would be humans? Why aren't they trying to keep sharks from thrashing up baby seals? Why aren't they trying to train timberwolves to eat vegetables rather than whitetail deer?Both of those animals put animals in an awful lot of pain, I would dare say far more than humans.

That was pretty funny.

I actually think people that belong to PETA should be jailed, they make me sick. At the same time, there is something wrong with forcing animals to eat things they were not meant to eat.

Let them eat grass!

 

[manifold]

there is something wrong with forcing animals to eat things they were not meant to eat.

Let them eat grass!

But what if said "forcing" results in fewer people dying of starvation?

 

[CA95380]

Are you just retarded?

Yes!

 

[Ravi]

But what if said "forcing" results in fewer people dying of starvation?

Can you show me that it does? People don't need to eat meat, you know, to keep from starving.

 

[manifold]

Can you show me that it does? People don't need to eat meat, you know, to keep from starving.

I said "what if."

Do I need to explain what that means or are you simply unwilling to answer the question?

 

[Ravi]

I said "what if."

Do I need to explain what that means or are you simply unwilling to answer the question?

No, I'd go with feeding the humans. It's a pretty stupid what if though, silly, because you could just feed the corn to the starving people.

 

[manifold]

No, I'd go with feeding the humans. It's a pretty stupid what if though, silly, because you could just feed the corn to the starving people.

You're pretty ignorant sometimes, but your willingness to brandish it carelessly makes you ok in my book.