And when only the police have guns....and decide the cartels pay better..they kill innocent people..

[Brain357]

Brain.....look at the murder rates in Britain from way back when.......they have never been that high......long before they banned guns.....so again...guns aren't the problem....

their gangs can get guns when they want or need them, and they have a low violence level....long before they banned their guns.........so guns aren't the difference...the culture of the criminal is.....

Murder rate - crime statistics - UK Crime - Murder UK

Guns are actually supposed to be rather hard to get in the UK.

 

[2aguy]

Brain.....look at the murder rates in Britain from way back when.......they have never been that high......long before they banned guns.....so again...guns aren't the problem....

their gangs can get guns when they want or need them, and they have a low violence level....long before they banned their guns.........so guns aren't the difference...the culture of the criminal is.....

Murder rate - crime statistics - UK Crime - Murder UK

Guns are actually supposed to be rather hard to get in the UK.

They aren't........

 

[2aguy]

Majority democrat controlled cities....New York, L.A., Baltimore, Chicago.......

The largest cities have the most crime for obvious reasons.

And democrats who help keep the people poor, angry, uneducated, hopeless and dependent......all ingredients for gang recruitment......

Really on a city level? How does a mayor do that exactly? Party politics really aren't at a city level. What different do republican mayors do?

Democrats as a party believe that businesses exist to fund their welfare state agenda...there fore democrats at a city level raise taxes, fines and fees on busineees to the point they leave....democrats as a party believe in massive welfare spending ...the kind that breaks up the 2 parent family creating generations of children raising children.....democrats as a party support teachers unions over school reform....the politicians raise taxes on individuals and businesses and give it to education.....which is controlled by democrat controlled unions....teachers get their salaries from the taxes and give dues to the unions who kick it back to the politicians who gave them their contracts......laundering the tax money...and repeating the cycle...and the loser...the guy paying the tax......so more people leave the cities, lowering the tax base....

And the democrat unions fight education reform.....essentially standing in the school house door...in reverse, before they stood in the door to keep minorities out....not they want to keep them from leaving....

So democrat policies drive out businesses.....ruin education....graduating only 50% of the students and those that do graduate can barely read or do math....

Then...on top of all of this...democrats as a party hate the police....see them as oppressors...so they under fund them...under staff them....and then under mine their authority and their ability to do their jobs.......Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, and Milwaukee most lately in the news.....

Which increases the crime rate...which drives out tax payers.....which all put together are all democrat party policies that create poverty, unemployment, and new soldiers for the gangs and drug runners........

All from policies put in place by local and state democrats......

Democrat policies are at the heart of the destruction of these cities..........through and through....

So our jails are the fullest in the world with underfunded police? How these people get in jail?

I'm really not buying your claims.

repubublican education reform is taking money out of educatuon. Or vouchers to hurt public schools.

Haven't seen a city try to run businesses out. I see republicans constantly give away tax dollars though.

Vouchers would improve education immensely......and they run businesses out by raising taxes, fines and fees so that businesses move....it is happening here in illinois.....

 

[Brain357]

The largest cities have the most crime for obvious reasons.

And democrats who help keep the people poor, angry, uneducated, hopeless and dependent......all ingredients for gang recruitment......

Really on a city level? How does a mayor do that exactly? Party politics really aren't at a city level. What different do republican mayors do?

Democrats as a party believe that businesses exist to fund their welfare state agenda...there fore democrats at a city level raise taxes, fines and fees on busineees to the point they leave....democrats as a party believe in massive welfare spending ...the kind that breaks up the 2 parent family creating generations of children raising children.....democrats as a party support teachers unions over school reform....the politicians raise taxes on individuals and businesses and give it to education.....which is controlled by democrat controlled unions....teachers get their salaries from the taxes and give dues to the unions who kick it back to the politicians who gave them their contracts......laundering the tax money...and repeating the cycle...and the loser...the guy paying the tax......so more people leave the cities, lowering the tax base....

And the democrat unions fight education reform.....essentially standing in the school house door...in reverse, before they stood in the door to keep minorities out....not they want to keep them from leaving....

So democrat policies drive out businesses.....ruin education....graduating only 50% of the students and those that do graduate can barely read or do math....

Then...on top of all of this...democrats as a party hate the police....see them as oppressors...so they under fund them...under staff them....and then under mine their authority and their ability to do their jobs.......Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, and Milwaukee most lately in the news.....

Which increases the crime rate...which drives out tax payers.....which all put together are all democrat party policies that create poverty, unemployment, and new soldiers for the gangs and drug runners........

All from policies put in place by local and state democrats......

Democrat policies are at the heart of the destruction of these cities..........through and through....

So our jails are the fullest in the world with underfunded police? How these people get in jail?

I'm really not buying your claims.

repubublican education reform is taking money out of educatuon. Or vouchers to hurt public schools.

Haven't seen a city try to run businesses out. I see republicans constantly give away tax dollars though.

Vouchers would improve education immensely......and they run businesses out by raising taxes, fines and fees so that businesses move....it is happening here in illinois.....

No vouchers won't help. The vouchers I see used go to really bad schools that are convenient for parents. What we need is the money in our public schools.

Give some specific examples of business run out of Chicago.

 

[Brain357]

Brain.....look at the murder rates in Britain from way back when.......they have never been that high......long before they banned guns.....so again...guns aren't the problem....

their gangs can get guns when they want or need them, and they have a low violence level....long before they banned their guns.........so guns aren't the difference...the culture of the criminal is.....

Murder rate - crime statistics - UK Crime - Murder UK

Guns are actually supposed to be rather hard to get in the UK.

They aren't........

Not what I read. Link?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No vouchers won't help. The vouchers I see used go to really bad schools that are convenient for parents. What we need is the money in our public schools.

Give some specific examples of business run out of Chicago.

Do you think making moronic shit up helps your case?

 

[Brain357]

No vouchers won't help. The vouchers I see used go to really bad schools that are convenient for parents. What we need is the money in our public schools.

Give some specific examples of business run out of Chicago.

Do you think making moronic shit up helps your case?

I've never made moronic shit up so wouldn't know.

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...and these are just ones that people know about.....

These Illinois companies left the state

And chicago is losing people...it's population level is the same as it was in the 1920s as people flee the taxes, crime and bad public schools....taking their tax money with them...

 

[Uncensored2008]

I've never made moronic shit up so wouldn't know.

The shit you made up about parents using vouchers to send kids to bad schools is pretty moronic.

You're a leftist, you lie, I get it. But try to at least make the lies somewhat plausible.

 

[2aguy]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

 

[Brain357]

I've never made moronic shit up so wouldn't know.

The shit you made up about parents using vouchers to send kids to bad schools is pretty moronic.

You're a leftist, you lie, I get it. But try to at least make the lies somewhat plausible.

That's what they do here. The school is aweful but it's close for the parents who dont really care. Nothing with vouchers say the school has to be good.

Vouchers are an attack on teachers unions, not an attempt to make education better.

 

[Brain357]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

Don't you have a republican governor?

 

[Brain357]

Here you go...and these are just ones that people know about.....

These Illinois companies left the state

And chicago is losing people...it's population level is the same as it was in the 1920s as people flee the taxes, crime and bad public schools....taking their tax money with them...

The comments seem to suggest there aren't many facts in your link.

 

[Brain357]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

If it is policy why is california the most liberal state growing?

 

[Katzndogz]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

If it is policy why is california the most liberal state growing?

We keep bringing in illiterate mexicans.

 

[Brain357]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

If it is policy why is california the most liberal state growing?

We keep bringing in illiterate mexicans.

So IL needs more immigrants?

 

[Brain357]

A democrat run state...Illinois....

Still leaving Illinois An exodus of people and money Illinois Policy An independent government watchdog

If IL is so bad cause of democrats, why is neighbor Wisconsin worse with Republican darling Scott Walker? And why was WI better with a Democrat?
Wisconsin lags Midwest Job growth state rankings Wsj

 

[JoeB131]

all of them are tragic.....but if you use 100 as too many and then we need to ban all guns.......cars are the leading cause of death for teenagers...do we ban those as well...and accidental gun deaths 505....accidental car deaths 2013....34,000......

We can't live without cars.

We can live without guns.

And gun owners are dickheads, so fuck them.

 

[asaratis]

I would ask WHY, but I know WHY LIBERALS LIE IN HE FACE OF OPPOSING FACTS!

Where gun laws are more restrictive, crime rates are higher. Where guns laws are less restrictive, crime rates are lower.

You are a typical liberal...a chronic LIAR!

That is sometimes true. Link?

Read before you reply!

Gun Control Myths and Realities Cato Institute


4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don’t.

True. The 31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.



1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.

False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn’t know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes “children” up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.



Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org


Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans
UPDATE: An interview that John Lott had on this post on Cam & Company isavailable here (SiriusXM Channel 125).

Original post: Every place that has been banned guns has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland.

For an example of homicide rates before and after a ban, take the case of the handgun ban in England and Wales in January 1997 (source here see Table 1.01 and the column marked “Offences currently recorded as homicide per million population”). After the ban, clearly homicide rates bounce around over time, but there is only one year (2010) where the homicide rate is lower than it was in 1996. The immediate effect was about a 50 percent increase in homicide rates. The homicide rate only began falling when there was a large increase in the number of police officers during 2003 and 2004. Despite thehugeincreasein the number of police, the murder rate still remained slightly higher than the immediate pre-ban rate.

Cato? They are a right winger group proven wrong often.

Might know you'd dismiss the content based on the source. What a typical fucking brain dead liberal you are. You and that asshat JoeB couldn't argue without lies. I'm done here with you children.

More importantly the info is wrong.

Show me! I'm from Missouri!

 

[asaratis]

all of them are tragic.....but if you use 100 as too many and then we need to ban all guns.......cars are the leading cause of death for teenagers...do we ban those as well...and accidental gun deaths 505....accidental car deaths 2013....34,000......

We can't live without cars.

We can live without guns.

And gun owners are dickheads, so fuck them.

You give idiots a bad name.