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    Clarke's lies win him 2004


    By Charles Krauthammer
    Washington Post columnist

    WASHINGTON -- It is only March but the 2004 Chutzpah of the Year Award can be safely given out. It goes to Richard Clarke, now making himself famous by blaming the Bush administration for 9/11 -- after Clarke had spent eight years in charge of counterterrorism for a Clinton administration that did nothing.

    The 1990s were al-Qaida's springtime: Blissfully unmolested in Afghanistan, it trained, indoctrinated, armed and, most fatally, planned. For the United States, this was a catastrophic lapse, and in a March 2002 interview on PBS' "Frontline," Clarke admitted as such: "I believe that had we destroyed the terrorist camps in Afghanistan earlier, that the conveyor belt that was producing terrorists sending them out around the world would have been destroyed." Instead, "now we have to hunt (them) down country by country."

    What should we have done during those lost years? Clarke answered: "Blow up the camps and take out their sanctuary. Eliminate their safe haven, eliminate their infrastructure. ... That's ... the one thing in retrospect I wish had happened."

    It did not. And who was president? Clinton. Who was the Clinton administration's top counterterrorism official? Clarke.


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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4619346/

    WASHINGTON - Richard Clarke, the former chief counterterrorism adviser at the White House, told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday that he “would welcome” the attempt by leading Republicans to declassify his two-year-old testimony before Congress.

    Clarke, who has criticized the Bush administration’s preparedness for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said Rice’s private testimony before the commission should be declassified, as well as e-mails, memos and all other correspondence between Rice and Clarke.

    “Let’s declassify all of it,” Clarke said to NBC's Tim Russert, moderator of the program, “ ... because the victims' families have no idea what Dr. Rice has said. There weren't in those closed hearings where she testified before the 9-11 Commission. They want to know.”
     
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    I'm not interested in any of that.

    Clarke, the man in charge of counter-terrorism for the United States from 1998-2001, has publically admitted that the course of action he suggested to the Bush administration in January 2001 would not have prevented 9/11, and yet he is criticizing the Bush administration for not acting fast enough to put into effect his recommendations that wouldn't have prevented 9/11.

    It's his fault, he knows it, he's lied, and I believe he'll be prosecuted for perjury.
     
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    I'm interested because one wonders what more can come of this.

    Clarke can say whatever he wants, to me that doesn't matter, but what could come out is what more, if any, could have been or should have been done.
     
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    Well I think by this point it should be fairly obvious that what should have been done was never even proposed by the counter-terrorism chief, until now.

    The only thing that could have stopped 9/11 when Bush came into office would have been the immediate design and implementation of something akin to the Patriot Act. Nobody proposed that, that I know of. Does anyone think Bush would have gotten away with that pre-9/11, even if it were technically possible? Of course not.

    What could maybe have prevented 9/11 would have been some form of military action in Afghanistan before 1999, perhaps even earlier. Clarke has more or less admitted to this as well.

    I don't understand why he seems to be placing a large amount of the 'blame' on Bush now for not acting quickly enough.

    It's nonsense.
     
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    and we know this how? All I've heard from members of the administration, namely rice, is that they listened and rejected. Who knows what he recommended and if it had not been rejected would said actions have helped or hindered?

    and what evidence do we have that this works when Justice is unwilling to disclose to congress the specifics?

    And when one attempt was made what was the cry from the republicans? WAG THE DOG!!!!!!!

    I don't either, so lets find out, shall we?
     
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    Based on Clarke's testimony. He said his recommendations had been approved by the principals by Sept 4, 2001, and only needed the President to sign it. His only complaint is that it took seven months to go through committee. My point is "so what" considering it wouldn't have accomplished anything had it been implemented immediately.

    I'm not talking about the Patriot Act specifically. In this instance I'm referring to increased sharing between intelligence agencies. One of Clarke's criticism was that the FBI and CIA were not conversing with one another. If they had been in early 2001 perhaps, he suggested, they may have been able to catch the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.

    [qoute]And when one attempt was made what was the cry from the republicans? WAG THE DOG!!!!!!![/quote]

    Politics. I never thought that (of course, I'm not a republican) and I wished he had done more. Alot more. I had been concerned about the growing terrorist threat for years by that point, since they first tried to topple the WTC.

    We'll see what happens...
     
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    All you have to do is answer 3 questions:

    1. How does ANYONE enter pentagon airspace without being shot down miles in advance (as policy has dictated for more than 10 years)

    2. How does a cel phone operate high above all towers when the current technology required to have them below or parallel.

    3. How does that downed airliner end up with less wreckage than can fit into your pocket while big luggage and loose socks are in trees. -no flames or anything. -all inside of 10 minutes when the local emergency teams arrived on the scene.


    I will let you decide what it means.
     
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