And still more government lies!

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    As you know, the Government has been lying for the past two years about unemployment claims. They take the Unemployment Insurance claims (Which are an actual number of people who have filed for Unemployment Insurance in the fifty states) and then add numbers for the ratio of people who did not apply but might be waiting to do so and then subtract any number that they do not like and then add in a fudge factor to confuse the sheeple public to make them think that Unemployment is going DOWN. If you look at the raw data, you will see that it is going UP and UP.

    They take real hard numbers and screw them up and then lie like hell about it. They have been doing this in ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE fashion since Obama took office. Please write your congressmen about getting the DOL to tell the truth!!!!

    Here are the actual numbers from the DOL site.

    INITIAL CLAIMS KEEP ON GOING UP AND UP AND UP week after week!

    The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 449,375 in the week ending Oct. 3, an increase of 3,757 from the previous week.

    The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 443,694 in the week ending Sept. 26, an increase of 5,878 from the previous week.

    The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 434,358 in the week ending Sept. 19, an increase of 21,966 from the previous week.

    U.S. Department of Labor: Employment & Training Administration (ETA) News Releases
     
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    Well, thankfully we have the alternate media to keep us informed, at least until the Fairness Doctrine gets passed.

    Thanks for posting that Neubarth.
     
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    Ok, Neubarth will never listen or understand, so for everyone else, here it goes.. Looking at the UI weekly claims report

    first the number Neubarth claims is the actual number is not the actual number...it's the advance number as not all reporting is in by the time of the release.

    Second, his claim of lies doesn't make much sense when both the adjusted and unadjusted numbers appear in the same report. Why report a lie and give the truth at the same time? Not much of an attempt to deceive, is it?

    Third, his claim of lies still doesn't make sense when you see that the seasonally adjusted number of claims is HIGHER than the unadjusted numbers.

    Fourth, while he's looking at week to week and saying the government is understating the change, he didn't look at the "prior year" numbers to see that the Seasonally adjusted numbers say initial claims have gone up 43,000 since last year while the unadjusted numbers (his "real" numbers) only went up 22,586. So his claim is basically that the government is lying in order to make the month-month change look better, but the overall level and yearly change look worse. Does this make sense to anyone not suffering from dementia?

    Fifth, he's outright lying and knows he's lying when he says
    What they do is apply seasonal adjustment to the figures to see the underlying trends.

    Here's the problem: for many things, such as employment, prices, school attendence, money spent on entertainment etc, there are normal predictable variations throughout the year. If employment always goes up in late November/early December, you're faced with the question of whether the employment situation is actually getting better or whether it's just the normal seasonal hiring. It's like trying to measure the water level when the tides are changing...if the last time you measured it was low tide, but now it's high tide, you know the water level has gone up because of the tide, but you don't know if the real water level has gone up, down, or stayed the same. So based on past trends, seasonal adjustment is applied to look at what the level would be if there were no seasonal ups or downs. It allows economists to see what the real trends are, undisguised by normal fluctuations. Sometimes the SA gives the numbers as higher, sometimes lower.

    The numbers aren't meant for the "sheeple" but meant for professional economists and others who want to keep an eye on overall trends.
     
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    Things are getting better.
     
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    Uncle Sam cooks the books!
     
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    And your evidence is?????
     
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    This is a blatant lie and you know it. I have addressed the fact that the numbers are always amended. You are nothing but a pathological liar when you make up lies lie the above.

    The report at the DOL site is of no consequence and you know it you damned liar. The report that is quoted in all of the papers is the artificial number, not the tabulated number you pathological lying scumbag. It is that artificial number that is intended todeceive. With it they can claim that unemployment is going down for week after week while it is going up week after week. Sure people could go to the DOL site, but nobody does. They just accept the crazy lies of the government.

    And again you lie. AS I have said over and over and over and over, it is not the number even though it is totally bogus, it is the report that unemployment claims are going down when they are going up that is the issue.

    And again you lie you royal ass. The point is that the overall level and yearly change IS WORSE. YET, the Federal Report says that everything is getting better. They are damned lying sacks of shit, just like you are.

    SUPER-ANAL-IGNORAMUS-MAXIMUS, Still trying all those insane lies to delude the ignorant? The deceit of the Federal Government is so obvious to the most casual observer. I have pointed it out thousands of times as I speak across the nation.

    You make yourself look so damn foolish and then call an honorable man like me a liar. Shame! Name calling, name calling and further name calling, yet you have never disputed my claims. You just lie like hell because your genetically defective brain has you believing that chronic pathological lying is normal behavior.

    Let's set the record straight. When you lie like you do, you are most obvious and clearly mentally unstable. Please, please get psychiatric help.
     
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    Evidence is all around us.. Theyre constantly changing the components of indices to make things like unemployment look better, inflation look better, debt and deficits look better than they really are.. Geesh.. The true numbers for these things are way worse than whats being reported because every couple of years they lower the bar..

    Lets look at one now.. the GDP. The GDP... Whatever happened to the GNP?

    When I was younger everything was always GNP, Gross National Product.. Then one day years ago I noticed everything had changed to GDP, Gross Domestic Product.

    What do you think the difference is? What does GDP show (or hide) that GNP would reveal?
     
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    In the week ending July 18, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 554,000, an increase of 30,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 524,000…..The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 580,944 in the week ending July 18

    In the week ending July 11, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 522,000, a decrease of 47,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 569,000….The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 667,534 in the week ending July 11

    In the week ending July 4, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 565,000, a decrease of 52,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 617,000……The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 577,506 in the week ending July 4
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    To see how corrupt the Federal Government is, all one has to do is look at the three weeks above. Note that in week July 11, the raw number of people filing for UI was 667,534, an increase over the previous week of 90,000, YET, it was reported in the official news release to the public as a DECREASE in Unemployment Insurance claims. This is normal government gobbledegook when you look at following weeks in which the Fed Gov reported that there were small increases in UI claims.

    Hummmmmmm???? If we are in the season period where we are adding to the numbers to balance out the deception, why for just one week did the Fed Gov SUBTRACT????

    This kind of shit pot does not hold water, and anybody who looks past the news release that just quotes the Fed Gov artificial and didcombobulated number CAN CLEARLY SEE the manipulation.

    SUPER-ANAL-IGNORAMUS-MAXIMUS just ignores this kind of crap and tells you that you have to believe the Fed Gov numbers. Only a fool would accept crap like this as shown above.

    SUPER-ANAL-IGNORAMUS-MAXIMUS needs to look at the crap that the FED GOV puts out to see how wrong he has been. He won't admit it, of course, and will continue to insult people who are honest and morally straight by calling them horrible names. He should be placed in a psychiatric institution and there banned from all use of the Internet.
     
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    I just found out that SUPER-ANAL-IGNORAMUS-MAXIMUS's real first name is THUD, spelled with all capital letters.

    You see he was born in the backwoods of Arkansas about 8 miles east of Mena, Arkansas. His family was poor white trash and they were very, very poor and could only afford the birth assistance of a local midwife/witchdoctor by the name of Mama Witchfire. Well, Mama Witchfire was 82 years old when she delivered SUPER-ANAL-IGNORAMUS-MAXIMUS, and when she pulled him out he was slippery and she dropped him on his head on the floor ("flo" as they call it in Arkansas) and his head made a loud THUD when he hit the flo.

    His Paw heard that and said, "That the first sound my son done made, so that be his name."

    Ever since then THUD has had cognition problems, but people say if you ignore his irrational behavior you can stand him, "If's you ignore his craziness, he is a durn right tolerable kind o' guy."
     

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