Debate Now Anarchy: What is it, what is it not?

[LOki]

The simple unadulterated fact is that any group of people over more then a few dozen at most that attempts to operate as in anarchy for their NON GOVERNMENT will result in chaos mayhem and the strongest dictating to the majority who and what gets what and when.

Really? Then demonstrate.

And no organized resistance will occur until someone CREATES a type of Government to run everything.

Really? Exactly why is that necessarily so?

 

[Treeshepherd]

The peer to peer relationship is the fundamental element of anarchy. It’s just people sharing and trading with other people without having to pay tribute to a governing body.

That’s why crypto-currency is part of the future anarchist equation. Bitcoin isn’t controlled by a central bank or fickle policy makers. It’s controlled by math. It can be hidden from government parasites. It’s a hedge against state-serving monetary policy, as was recently displayed when Greeks started converting to bitcoin in response to their euro crisis.

I have specific complaints about the way bitcoin is set up. Bitcoin won’t be the final crypto model. It’s a start, though.

 

[chao$]

The peer to peer relationship is the fundamental element of anarchy. It’s just people sharing and trading with other people without having to pay tribute to a governing body.

That’s why crypto-currency is part of the future anarchist equation. Bitcoin isn’t controlled by a central bank or fickle policy makers. It’s controlled by math. It can be hidden from government parasites. It’s a hedge against state-serving monetary policy, as was recently displayed when Greeks started converting to bitcoin in response to their euro crisis.

I have specific complaints about the way bitcoin is set up. Bitcoin won’t be the final crypto model. It’s a start, though.

Looks like you're finally starting to get it.

 

[Treeshepherd]

To summarize, , you have the internet which enables new possiblities for peer to peer communication, education and commerce. Distributed ideas. You have crypto-currency which enables peer to peer money and decentralized monetary authority. Thirdly, you have a future of distributed electricity generation. Distibuted power-- people and local communities making their own power, even trading power in peer to peer transactions.

If you wanna add 3D printing and the maker revolution, there's that too.

 

[Arianrhod]

Wow. This conversation is amazing...nothing I can add, except to say it's been a learning experience. Thanks, everyone!

 

[Treeshepherd]

Mesh networking.
Mesh networking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today's internet is dominated by big service providers like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc.. Europe, Asia and Latin America have their behemoth carriers as well. If that model ever became a serious threat to free speech, people would switch to something like mesh networking.

Anarchists in California are already setting up wireless mesh networks. They can operate independently of cable, telephone and fiber infrastructure. Your router is wirelessly connected to the routers of your neighbors, and neighborhoods can be linked to other neighborhoods and so on. The system is self-healing, so if one part of the greater mesh network goes down your connection will be re-routed around those disconnected nodes.

So, the technology exists today where the people can anarchistically develop their own connected internets, use stateless currency for money, and develop an electric power grid that functions like a distributed self-healing mesh network of individual nodes.

 

[danielpalos]

Anarchy is the absence of Order; any questions?

 

[Treeshepherd]

The American Quakers of the 17th century are often cited as anarchists. For the most part, they rejected creeds and the legitimacy of hierarchies in church and state.

For most of 1684-88 there was no colonywide government in existence, what of the local officials? Were they not around to provide that evidence of the state's continued existence, which so many people through the ages have deemed vital to man's very survival? The answer is no. The lower courts met only a few days a year, and the county officials were, again, private citizens who devoted very little time to upholding the law. No, the reality must be faced that the new, but rather large, colony of Pennsylvania lived for the greater part of four years in a de facto condition of individual anarchism, and seemed none the worse for the experience.

William Penn, seeing that the Pennsylvanians had happily lapsed into an anarchism that precluded taxes, quitrents, and political power for himself, decided to appoint a deputy governor. But the people of Pennsylvania, having tasted the sweets of pure liberty, were almost unanimously reluctant to relinquish that liberty. We have observed that the commissioners of state had failed to assume their posts and had virtually failed to function after it was presumed they accepted. No one wanted to rule others. For this reason, Thomas Lloyd, the president of the Council, refused appointment as deputy governor. At this point, Penn concluded that he could not induce the Quakers of Pennsylvania to institute a state, and so he turned to a tough non-Quaker, an old Puritan soldier and a non-Pennsylvanian, John Blackwell.

Once a state has completely withered away, it is an extremely difficult task to re-create it, as Blackwell quickly discovered. If Blackwell had been under any illusions that the Quakers were a meek and passive people, he was in for a rude surprise. He was to find very quickly that devotion to peace, to liberty, and to individualism in no sense implies passive resignation to tyranny. Quite the contrary.

Pennsylvania's Anarchist Experiment: 1681-1690

 

[LOki]

 

[LOki]

Anarchy is the absence of Order; any questions?

 

[danielpalos]

dear; capital based morality also suffers from boom and bust cycles.