An open challenge to anyone who supports government regulations.

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  1. Quantum Windbag
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    I am really fracking tired of explaining the facts of life to everyone who thinks regulations are good and lack of regulation kills people. I hereby issue a challenge.

    Give me a single real world example of a regulation that has actually prevents deaths. I know there are a lot of idiots that are going to point at all sorts of things, like requiring seat belts in cars, and say that proves their point, but that is not going to cut it here. You need to prove that, without said regulation, people would die because no one would have...

    1. Made seat belts in the first place,
    2. Actually sell them if someone had made them,
    3. Use them if both 1 and 2 were true.
    4. That the end result is that no one dies.
    Regulations are not designed to protect people from dangerous products, they are designed to limit liability in case someone actually gets hurt. Companies go to court all the time and argue that they are not liable because they met all applicable government regulations, and the government supports them in this. We live in crony capitalist world where the government makes choices about who lives and who dies based on what some number cruncher somewhere claims is for the common good.
     
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    I say we regulate the regulations.
     
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    ...to protect us from ourselves.

    Liberty is an all or nothing proposition QW ;)
     
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    Well... I'll play.

    Sticking to cars... how about crumple zones, or perhaps crash test standards in general?
     
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    You really want to shift to something besides cars if you want to prove your point because I can easily prove regulations actually kill people when we are talking about cars.

    Auto Deaths a Side Effect of Higher Fuel Efficiency Standards

    Crumple zones are smaller than they used to be because government regulations require cars to be of lower weight to meet gas mileage standards.
     
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    So crash test standards have never saved one life, then?

    Let me hear you say it.
     
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    Drive your family on vacation in a car made without safety regulations on a road without speed limits. If you come back, tell us how it was.
     
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    Can you prove that without federal standards cars would be more dangerous? Keep in mind that everything that the government has mandated for crash test survivability was developed by auto makers long before the government regulated it.
     
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    Sounds like my last road trip in New Zealand.
     
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    You know of public roads without speed limits?
     

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