an old story about the moon

[Arabian]

Hi dearest friend
I knew something and I hope u could understand it,, and I swear its true and u will like it

In the Qur'an there is a verse
"The end of the world become soon and the moon has split"
It’s the story of our messenger of Allah Muhammad when his Quraish people didn’t believe him and told him to gave them a sign to make them believe that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah (cause as we all know they didn’t believe in god and they were believe and pray 4 human and statues that they made) any way they challenged him (Muhammad the messenger of Allah) and told him if u wanna us believe u, u should separate the moon in to two parts (this was at the night sure) and he still pray to god till he could help him in that , so after his prayers Allah (god) inspired him to share at the moon, then the moon split in to two parts in front of Quraish people , and guess what they said that this is some kind of magic and u r a wizard and they didn’t believe him and decided to ask the 1st passenger who enter there land and asked them if they saw something strange and ask them if they saw something strange and they answered "guess what" yes we saw strange thing we saw the moon split in to two parts and one of these part go far from the other and then its come all together again

This isn’t the end if u read in astronomy u will know that the united state spent about 600 thousand million dollar to make the human walk on the board of the moon "think if those money spent on the earth to help people who have no shelter or to rebuild destroyed country or…. Any way they spent it and it's over "and guesses what they saw, they said that the moon was split and come altogether again, the scientist of geology and earth said that the bricks on the board of the moon could look like this only if the moon was split and come all together again
This truth happened to our prophets Muhammad since 1425 years it's more than miracle
And the proof in the holly book of qur'an
As god says
"The end of the world become soon and the moon has split"
sorat alqamar "the moon" verse 1
And u could sure search to know what astrology saw on the moon broad and what I said is true

And if u believed in the second part that mean that the end of the world is soon and u should know the entire right thing coz god will ask us about every thing we done in our life and did we choose the right religion
And if u want me to make an article about the other life and the end of world with proof sure I will if u want

 

[Annie]

Arabian, Welcome! I'm sorry I'm tardy with that, but I've been busy. I'm assuming you are Muslim. Where are you from, if I may ask? Interesting story on the moon.

 

[Arabian]

Arabian, Welcome! I'm sorry I'm tardy with that, but I've been busy. I'm assuming you are Muslim. Where are you from, if I may ask? Interesting story on the moon.

yes sure u may ask yes im muslim and im from egypt
and i happy coz u liked the article
salam

 

[Annie]

yes sure u may ask yes im muslim and im from egypt
and i happy coz u liked the article
salam

How soon is 'soon?' What are your beliefs regarding Christians and Jews? I know this is 'cutting to the chase, but heck, it's a message board.' Wouldn't it be nice to sit with some tea?

 

[Arabian]

How soon is 'soon?' What are your beliefs regarding Christians and Jews? I know this is 'cutting to the chase, but heck, it's a message board.' Wouldn't it be nice to sit with some tea?

dear Kathianne
soon mean Ummmm
let me say
what if u invite two of your friend and the 1st ask when kamal for example will arive
u will say soon god welling

when u said soon did u know when exactly he will come ? no sure
but u r sure that he will come

this is the meaning of soon we r sure it will come but we dont know when
did u got me

and my beliefs regarding Christians and Jews?
they are people as me allah created them as he created me
and i dont have any bad things towards them
we are all normal human with some changes in thinking

and bout the both religions its a step of ages when allah sent these religions by his messenger to the menkind,and
its act as sequences ended with Islam
they all complete each other but as i said before, before changing them(torah,bible)

and sorry cause i delayed your answer
and i hope u accept it

 

[Arabian]

Hi dearest friend
I knew something and I hope u could understand it,, and I swear its true and u will like it

In the Qur'an there is a verse
"The end of the world become soon and the moon has split"
It’s the story of our messenger of Allah Muhammad when his Quraish people didn’t believe him and told him to gave them a sign to make them believe that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah (cause as we all know they didn’t believe in god and they were believe and pray 4 human and statues that they made) any way they challenged him (Muhammad the messenger of Allah) and told him if u wanna us believe u, u should separate the moon in to two parts (this was at the night sure) and he still pray to god till he could help him in that , so after his prayers Allah (god) inspired him to share at the moon, then the moon split in to two parts in front of Quraish people , and guess what they said that this is some kind of magic and u r a wizard and they didn’t believe him and decided to ask the 1st passenger who enter there land and asked them if they saw something strange and ask them if they saw something strange and they answered "guess what" yes we saw strange thing we saw the moon split in to two parts and one of these part go far from the other and then its come all together again

This isn’t the end if u read in astronomy u will know that the united state spent about 600 thousand million dollar to make the human walk on the board of the moon "think if those money spent on the earth to help people who have no shelter or to rebuild destroyed country or…. Any way they spent it and it's over "and guesses what they saw, they said that the moon was split and come altogether again, the scientist of geology and earth said that the bricks on the board of the moon could look like this only if the moon was split and come all together again
This truth happened to our prophets Muhammad since 1425 years it's more than miracle
And the proof in the holly book of qur'an
As god says
"The end of the world become soon and the moon has split"
sorat alqamar "the moon" verse 1
And u could sure search to know what astrology saw on the moon broad and what I said is true

And if u believed in the second part that mean that the end of the world is soon and u should know the entire right thing coz god will ask us about every thing we done in our life and did we choose the right religion
And if u want me to make an article about the other life and the end of world with proof sure I will if u want

and this is a photo the Organization of NASA took
of the moon
and it support what said in
qur'an since more than 1420 year

allah says in his Qu'an
Quran : 054. Al-Qamar

In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1. The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon).[]

2. And if they see a sign, they turn away, and say: "This is continuous magic."

 

[ajwps]

and this is a photo the Organization of NASA took
of the moon
and it support what said in
qur'an since more than 1420 year

allah says in his Qu'an
Quran : 054. Al-Qamar

In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1. The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon).[]

2. And if they see a sign, they turn away, and say: "This is continuous magic."

Arabian isn't Allah, the Most Beneficent, the most Merciless also the moon-god idol whose moon-daughters are documented by the Prophet Muhammad in his Qur'an?

Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful has declared the all of Islam (every Muslim man, woman and child) must be split assunder with the destruction of Kabah and Mecca.

May Allah, the Most Mercless and Beneficient god of the underworld go the way of all false gods.

Alahu Akbar

 

[Arabian]

sorry if the photo didnt appear
it will appear now
sorry :$

 

[ajwps]

sorry if the photo didnt appear
it will appear now
sorry :$

So the moon is split apart or cleft assunder according to Muhammad?

Sura 54:1

1. The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon).

اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ

So a valley in the moon proves that the Muhammad's prophecy came about as he said. Have you ever seen the Grand Canyon from a satellite image?

Does the Grand Canyon prove that the earth was split assunder?

Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc.. These were pagan rites practised by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.

The Crescent Moon

What religion today practices the pagan rites of the moon god? Islam! This explains why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. It is placed on top of mosques and minarets and displayed on hats, flags, rugs, amulets and even jewellery. Every time you see the Muslim symbol of a crescent moon, you are seeing the ancient symbol of the moon god.

Arabian do you, an Egyptian Muslim know that you are worshipping a moon god? No. Do you know why the crescent moon symbol sits on top of your mosque? No. You are shocked and perhaps angered at these facts of history? Yes. But can mere denial or angry threats refute the fact that Islam is nothing more than a modern version of the ancient religion of the moon god Allah? No. You as an average Muslim has been kept in the dark by the Mullahs and Imams who would lose their power if the truth ever got
out.

 

[sagegirl]

Great story....I love the fact that so many stories and traditions are tied together in a huge common cauldron.....everybody takes a ladle of it out and calls it their own.......I dont believe in any god, but consider myself very spiritual. Each of us has our own truth to know and good luck on your journey.

 

[KarlMarx]

Well...one could talk about the origins of Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian God) as well. Supposedly, His origins are pagan as well... but then that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist!

Still, I have to say that at least Arabian wishes us well and I am glad that he is at least trying to be civil to us here in the west by sharing his faith.

That having been said, I think that Islam does need to address the issue of terrorism that many of its followers have embraced, especially the awful Wahabbi sect that seems to spawn violence, and hatred against others who are different from them. And last but certainly not least, Moslems of all types must abandon the notion that Jews are bad things and learn to accept them as fellow human beings.

We, in the West, on the other hand ought to wake up and smell the coffee too. Many Moslems find Western hedonism to be offensive. And part of the problem that many Moslems have with our society is that we do export a lot of filth in the form of entertainment. We in the West are so in love with our freedoms that we have forgotten what price those freedoms have. Aside from the blood of patriots, it requires us to be responsible. Just because pornography has been determined to be "free speech" by some block headed jurist doesn't mean that it's right. Hey, just because you can go bungee jumping doesn't mean its a good idea. Instead of applauding the Madonnas and Jennifer Lopezes of the world, we should be offering them our contempt and focus our anger on those companies that promote them. Frankly, if I were a Moslem, I would be very angry if my children were being exposed to some of the filth that passes for entertainment here in the West.

So to some extent, I agree with the viewpoint of some Moslems. They are horrified at the excesses of Western society and we in the West would do well to take heed. Because, after all, they are right. What has the sexual revolution done for us? Who won the sexual revolution? No one! We now have AIDS, soaring teenage pregnancy, abortion and sky rocketing divorce rates. How long does a society operate at that level before it begins to deteriorate and die?

 

[5stringJeff]

Well...one could talk about the origins of Yahweh (the Judeo-Christian God) as well. Supposedly, His origins are pagan as well... but then that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist!

I haven't heard that one... where exactly are the "pagan origins" of Yahweh?

 

[KarlMarx]

I haven't heard that one... where exactly are the "pagan origins" of Yahweh?

Well, I should say, that many scholars believe that the origin of Yahweh was in the early Sumerian and Mesopotamian myths.

LINK

Yahweh was a Mesopotamian storm or sky god in earlier times (this parallel may be seen in the story of the Israelites, where God is often portrayed as being in a cloud). Many of the ancient myths (e.g. Gilgamesh) from the region of Mesopotamia parallel the early chapters of Genesis (the tower of Babel, the flood etc). Similarly, in these early texts, Yahweh and Baal are enemies. In the Bible, God is constantly chastising Israel for the worship of Baal (and other gods, but mainly, Baal).

What does this mean? Yahweh was a pagan god and the Hebrews adopted Him? Perhaps, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees (i.e. in modern day Iraq). To the faithful, it is possible that the myths surrounding Yahweh could actually be pre-Biblical accounts of the Judeo-Christian god as he strove against the devil (i.e. Baal --- who we sometimes know as Beelzebub) and ancient man embellished on those accounts.

 

[ajwps]

Well, I should say, that many scholars believe that the origin of Yahweh was in the early Sumerian and Mesopotamian myths.

LINK

Yahweh was a Mesopotamian storm or sky god in earlier times (this parallel may be seen in the story of the Israelites, where God is often portrayed as being in a cloud). Many of the ancient myths (e.g. Gilgamesh) from the region of Mesopotamia parallel the early chapters of Genesis (the tower of Babel, the flood etc). Similarly, in these early texts, Yahweh and Baal are enemies. In the Bible, God is constantly chastising Israel for the worship of Baal (and other gods, but mainly, Baal).

What does this mean? Yahweh was a pagan god and the Hebrews adopted Him? Perhaps, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees (i.e. in modern day Iraq). To the faithful, it is possible that the myths surrounding Yahweh could actually be pre-Biblical accounts of the Judeo-Christian god as he strove against the devil (i.e. Baal --- who we sometimes know as Beelzebub) and ancient man embellished on those accounts.

I love it. Read this article several times and find it extremely flawed.

The author a master of arts in education says: "In a "nutshell," it is my understanding that Yahweh is an amalgum, a conflation or fusion of various and sundry earlier gods and goddesses, having absorbed their functions, epithets and achievements."

All the earlier gods you mentioned were visible man-made or natural occurring phenomena (earth, fire, water, air) which were worshipped by those pre-Abraham peoples.

Please note that the mention of any prior monotheistic non-visable dieties are overtly absent. The author loves to compare things totally unrelated and then makes vague comparisons which like apples and oranges are both round. Ergo apples must have been earlier oranges since they have similar visible characteristics.

 

[5stringJeff]

I love it. Read this article several times and find it extremely flawed.

The author a master of arts in education says: "In a "nutshell," it is my understanding that Yahweh is an amalgum, a conflation or fusion of various and sundry earlier gods and goddesses, having absorbed their functions, epithets and achievements."

All the earlier gods you mentioned were visible man-made or natural occurring phenomena (earth, fire, water, air) which were worshipped by those pre-Abraham peoples.

Please note that the mention of any prior monotheistic non-visable dieties are overtly absent. The author loves to compare things totally unrelated and then makes vague comparisons which like apples and oranges are both round. Ergo apples must have been earlier oranges since they have similar visible characteristics.

Good point AJ. I read through this also, and found that this guy is, by his own admission, an amateur Biblical scholar with no formal training in the field. In other words, no more qualified to make such an assertion than anyone else. Certainly no one to quote as an authoritative source.

 

[no1tovote4]

I haven't heard that one... where exactly are the "pagan origins" of Yahweh?

Zoroastrianism is the basis on which Yahweh originated.


At least according to the scholars I have heard speak on the subject. The one god idea originated there. Much of what you read in the Bible was also covered by Zoroastrianism.

 

[5stringJeff]

Zoroastrianism is the basis on which Yahweh originated.


At least according to the scholars I have heard speak on the subject. The one god idea originated there. Much of what you read in the Bible was also covered by Zoroastrianism.

Actually, the founding of Zoroastrianism is placed anywhere from 1500 B.C. to 600 B.C. But even if one takes the earliest date, the Exodus of the Israelites occurred roughly 50 years afterwards - hardly enough time for Zoroastrianism to have migrated to Egypt and taken root with the Hebrew slaves. And if one takes the most widely accepted dates of the sixth century B.C. as the founding of Zoroastrianism, then it would seem that Judiasm would have had the greatest effect on Zoroastrianism. In fact, since the Jews had been dispersed in Babylon and freed by the Persian/Mede kings to return to Jerusalem, and there were many Jews in Persia at the time of the founding of Zoroastrianism, this would make the most sense historically.

 

[no1tovote4]

Zoroastrianism's effect on Judaism and Christianity:

http://www.pyracantha.com/zjc3.html

 

[5stringJeff]

Zoroastrianism's effect on Judaism and Christianity:

http://www.pyracantha.com/zjc3.html

Again, this author assumes that Zoroastrianism, the newer religion, had the effect on the older religion of Judaism. This fails the common sense test. But, to play along, let's answer his major points.

First, the concept of monotheism, which the author claims is a Zoroastrian concept. I already posted that Judaism had the concept long before. In fact, Abraham, who lived around 2000 B.C., brought the concept of monotheism into his family, 500 years before the earliest founding dates of Zoroastrianism.

Second, the concept of an afterlife. This concept has always been a "fuzzy" one in Judaism. However, the certainty of an afterlife - either heaven or hell - in Christianity can be directly attributed to Christ's teachings, rather than a Persian religion.

Third, the concept of a Messiah. The author claims that there is no such concept in Judaism until after the exile. This is plainly not true. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, and Zephaniah, not to mention David and Moses, all prophesy about the Messiah, all before the exile to Babylon.

I think any effect of Zoroastrianism on Judaism (or Christianity) is minimal, if anything. On the contrary, given the dates of founding, I think that Judaism had more of an effect on Zoroastriansm.

 

[no1tovote4]

Again, this author assumes that Zoroastrianism, the newer religion, had the effect on the older religion of Judaism. This fails the common sense test. But, to play along, let's answer his major points.

First, the concept of monotheism, which the author claims is a Zoroastrian concept. I already posted that Judaism had the concept long before. In fact, Abraham, who lived around 2000 B.C., brought the concept of monotheism into his family, 500 years before the earliest founding dates of Zoroastrianism.

Second, the concept of an afterlife. This concept has always been a "fuzzy" one in Judaism. However, the certainty of an afterlife - either heaven or hell - in Christianity can be directly attributed to Christ's teachings, rather than a Persian religion.

Third, the concept of a Messiah. The author claims that there is no such concept in Judaism until after the exile. This is plainly not true. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, and Zephaniah, not to mention David and Moses, all prophesy about the Messiah, all before the exile to Babylon.

I think any effect of Zoroastrianism on Judaism (or Christianity) is minimal, if anything. On the contrary, given the dates of founding, I think that Judaism had more of an effect on Zoroastriansm.

It speaks to and defines the places where the effect was made and gives examples.

"This influence is clearly visible in the later Jewish writings such as the Book of Daniel and the books of the Maccabees, which were written in the second century BCE."

To simply say that because something is newer it can have no effect on the writings and beliefs of something that began before hand is simply not correct. The concepts explained in this writing are more than the one God theory. If you read this you can see that the explanations are based in logic and an understanding of both religions and their effect on each other, not just in one way but in many different ways.