An interesting fact about treason

[ihopehefails]

Treason is defined as revolution against one of the states of the United states and not the federal government.

 

[Modbert]

Troll harder.

 

[Sheldon]

Treason is defined as revolution against one of the states of the United states and not the federal government.

No. Just, no.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Treason is defined as revolution against one of the states of the United states and not the federal government.

Really?

trea·son
   /ˈtrizən/ Show Spelled[tree-zuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

I think you're also confusing the definition of "state" and confining it to a portion of the US, when in reality, it means the overall government.

state
   /steɪt/ Show Spelled [steyt] Show IPA ,noun, adjective, verb,stat·ed, stat·ing.
–noun
1. the condition of a person or thing, as with respect to circumstances or attributes: a state of health.
2. the condition of matter with respect to structure, form, constitution, phase, or the like: water in a gaseous state.
3. status, rank, or position in life; station: He dresses in a manner befitting his state.
4. the style of living befitting a person of wealth and high rank: to travel in state.
5. a particular condition of mind or feeling: to be in an excited state.
6. an abnormally tense, nervous, or perturbed condition: He's been in a state since hearing about his brother's death.
7.a politically unified people occupying a definite territory; nation.
8. the territory, or one of the territories, of a government.
9. (sometimes initial capital letter) any of the bodies politic which together make up a federal union, as in the United States of America.
10. the body politic as organized for civil rule and government (distinguished from church).
11. the operations or activities of a central civil government: affairs of state.
12. (initial capital letter) Also called State Department. Informal. the Department of State.
13. Printing. a set of copies of an edition of a publication which differ from others of the same printing because of additions, corrections, or transpositions made during printing or at any time before publication.
14. the States, Informal. the United States (usually used outside its borders): After a year's study in Spain, he returned to the States.

Also, here's the definition from wikipedia.......

Treason
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife (treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petit treason). A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor.

At times, the term "traitor" has been levelled as a political epithet, regardless of any verifiable treasonable action. In a civil war or insurrection, the winners may deem the losers to be traitors. Likewise the term "traitor" is used in heated political discussion – typically as a slur against political dissidents, or against officials in power who are perceived as failing to act in the best interest of their constituents. In certain cases, as with the German Dolchstoßlegende, the accusation of treason towards a large group of people can be a unifying political message.

In English law, high treason was punishable by being hanged, drawn and quartered (men) or burnt at the stake (women), the only crime which attracted those penalties (until the Treason Act 1814). The penalty was used by later monarchs against people who could reasonably be called traitors, although most modern jurists would call it excessive. Many of them would now just be considered dissidents.

In William Shakespeare's play King Lear (circa 1600), when the King learns that his daughter Regan has publicly dishonoured him, he says They could not, would not do 't; 'tis worse than murder: a conventional attitude at that time. In Dante Alighieri's Inferno, the ninth and lowest circle of Hell is reserved for traitors; Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, suffers the worst torments of all: being constantly gnawed at by one of Lucifer's own three mouths. His treachery is considered so notorious that his name has long been synonymous with traitor, a fate he shares with Benedict Arnold, Marcus Junius Brutus (who too is depicted in Dante's Inferno, suffering the same fate as Judas along with Cassius Longinus), and Vidkun Quisling. Indeed, the etymology of the word traitor originates with Judas' handing over of Jesus to the Roman authorities: the word is derived from the Latin traditorem which means "one who delivers."[1]

Christian theology and political thinking until after the Enlightenment considered treason and blasphemy as synonymous, as it challenged both the state and the will of God. Kings were considered chosen by God and to betray one's country was to do the work of Satan.

Interestingly enough, in addition to spewing bullshit on messageboards, the internet can be used to educate yourself about what treason REALLY is.

It's not about states like Arizona being revolted against, it's about the whole government.

 

[tommywho70x]

from the us constitution:

Section 3 - Treason Note

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

ABS -- you betray a similarity in thought processes. you googled the word treason and did a whack and cut job on the wiki article and the dictionary definition.

it looks like a misread of the constitution is what this thread is based on.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Treason is against the whole government. ihopehefails is the idiot that confused it with individual states of the USA.

 

[George Costanza]

Ihope? Has anyone seen Ihope?

Ohhhhhhh . . . . IHOPE?????

 

[bodecea]

Treason is defined as revolution against one of the states of the United states and not the federal government.

That's what John Brown was hung over. Treason against Virginia.

 

[jillian]

Troll harder.

I think it's trolling as hard as it can.

 

[Liability]

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2381

§ 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

United States Code: Title 18,2381. Treason | LII / Legal Information Institute

The CRIME of TREASON under the U.S. Code refers not to just one "state" but to "them" meaning the UNITED STATES.

It appears that ihopehefails was simply mistaken.

I'm not sure why the mistake is presumed to be "trolling."

But I do agree that he's mistaken.

 

[jillian]

Treason is defined as revolution against one of the states of the United states and not the federal government.

actually, that's yet more lies from you:

From Article III of the Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

U.S. Constitution - Article 3 Section 3 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

I have to wonder why someone who can't read the constitution or it's caselaw insists on constantly posting on this issue.

It's like a particularly stupid mosquito buzzing around one's head.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think treason only happens in cold weather. Once, my cousin was locked outside of the house and it was snowing really hard and the wind was blowing. We were inside the house laughing at him while he was banging on the door yelling "Let me in. It's treason out here!" He had a speech problem.

 

[George Costanza]

Ihope . . . oh IIIIIHOOOOOOPE?????

Where ARE you? Everyone is concerned!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The United States was referred to in the plural, clearly pertaining to the separate and individual states making up the Union. ihopehefails is correct.

 

[jillian]

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The United States was referred to in the plural, clearly pertaining to the separate and individual states making up the Union. ihopehefails is correct.

no she isn't.... she's as dumb as toast and spends her time intentionally trolling the board.

states means the collective united states.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The United States was referred to in the plural, clearly pertaining to the separate and individual states making up the Union. ihopehefails is correct.

no she isn't.... she's as dumb as toast and spends her time intentionally trolling the board.

states means the collective united states.

If that were true the United States would be referred to in the singular.

 

[goldcatt]

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

The United States was referred to in the plural, clearly pertaining to the separate and individual states making up the Union. ihopehefails is correct.

no she isn't.... she's as dumb as toast and spends her time intentionally trolling the board.

states means the collective united states.

If that were true the United States would be referred to in the singular.

Your interpretation ignores the first phrase, Kevin. The term being defined is treason against the entity known as the United States.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

no she isn't.... she's as dumb as toast and spends her time intentionally trolling the board.

states means the collective united states.

If that were true the United States would be referred to in the singular.

Your interpretation ignores the first phrase, Kevin. The term being defined is treason against the entity known as the United States.

My interpretation doesn't ignore it at all. My interpretation simply acknowledges that the phrase "United States" is qualified by being referred to in the plural rather than the singular.

 

[jillian]

If that were true the United States would be referred to in the singular.

Your interpretation ignores the first phrase, Kevin. The term being defined is treason against the entity known as the United States.

My interpretation doesn't ignore it at all. My interpretation simply acknowledges that the phrase "United States" is qualified by being referred to in the plural rather than the singular.

your interpretation is irrelevant.

words have meanings....

as does caselaw.

i would hate to think you so hate your country and only have fealty to your state.

more than that, i'd hate to think you intentionally choose to misconstrue things to advance some agenda.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Your interpretation ignores the first phrase, Kevin. The term being defined is treason against the entity known as the United States.

My interpretation doesn't ignore it at all. My interpretation simply acknowledges that the phrase "United States" is qualified by being referred to in the plural rather than the singular.

your interpretation is irrelevant.

words have meanings....

as does caselaw.

i would hate to think you so hate your country and only have fealty to your state.

more than that, i'd hate to think you intentionally choose to misconstrue things to advance some agenda.

So is everybody's interpretation in this thread, and on this entire message board.

Yes, they do.

Yes, caselaw has meaning, but it's often based on the whim of the Court rather than the Constitution itself.

I love both my country and my state. It's my federal and state government's I often have an issue with.

Not misconstruing anything, as I'm reading the plain text of the Constitution which clearly refers to the individual states. Since the plural is used it must mean the separate states as opposed to the single federal government.