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It's fiction that teachers make a big difference in a child's education. Maybe a school full of Afro teachers would cause real damage. But, other than extreme cases, teachers aren't the big problem. Class size and amount of funding also aren't big factors.
That sort of sounds like a degree in education, or at the very least a lot like the process and requirements for teacher certification as they already exist.
yep, the certification process. Why require a degree in education?
Why do doctors need a medical degree?
Why require a degree in education? I would bet that most people with a degree in different areas are proficient enough in math to teach it to 3rd graders. With a staff of basically educated teachers with previous life experiences, lots of give a damn, and support from administrators and mentors, the output from our system of education would dramatically improve.
You can't see even a few of the things wrong with that statement?
It's fiction that teachers make a big difference in a child's education. Maybe a school full of Afro teachers would cause real damage. But, other than extreme cases, teachers aren't the big problem. Class size and amount of funding also aren't big factors.
there is some truth in this.......
I don't believe that there is a thing in the world that anyone can do to keep a child from learning, especially a bright student. That cream will rise to the top one way or another.
The opposite is true, in my opinion, for the poor learners. Some just don't have the smarts to succeed at any level beyond 5th grade. Some do not even try to do the work and are disruptive and take up space and tax dollars. Yet we insist on keeping them in an academic environment until age 18?
But it's more than just smarts. I know a number of people who , although they are not academicians, are very bright, just not suited to academics. Some are good cabinet makers, carpenters and so on. Their talents lie elswhere
There problem with education in this country is that everyone is expected to be on the college track. Why does an auto mechanic or plumber need to take two years of algebra? Why does someone like that need to be in school until age 18?
Why do we have so few vocational technical schools? Shouldn't they be learning how do balance ledgers and do measurements or read blueprints instead? Yes!
1. focus on the basics the frst 3 years of school. Reading writing and math with very little content.
2. introduce content at about the 4th grade
3. By about the 6th grade we should know who is suited for university. There should be strict requirements to go on the college prep class.
4. those that don't make the college prep class can either go to vocational school or general education. In both these cases hopefully all but a smalll minority will be able to read and do math at least functionally. General ed has classes in functional math and business classes.
5. Those that wash out at college prep can still go the general ed or vocational school.
what are the problems with this:
1. Parents: most of them will fight tooth and nail to get them into the college prep track even if it's clear they are not suited.
2. government: will piss and moan because there are not enough of this demographic or that demograhic in the college prep course, so standards will have to be lowered.
I'm also quite certian that "bad teachers" are not the problem they are made out to be.
Most of the teachers not suited to the profession will voluntarily resign or be placed on probation and be weeded out within three years. So, there are very few of them. Most teachers are "average". Common sense should tell you that.
What is a good teacher anyway?
] Who decides this?
Test scores? Like Blimpo said, what if you have a room full of students on IEPs that are below avearge?
Are you a good teacher if your AP students pass the standardized test?
Why does an auto mechanic or plumber need to take two years of algebra? Why does someone like that need to be in school until age 18?
yep, the certification process. Why require a degree in education?
Why do doctors need a medical degree?
Some do not. Some of the best I've ever worked with were osteopaths.
teachers should not administer tests. Proctors should come into the classrooms and properly give and oversee testing.
Why require a degree in education? I would bet that most people with a degree in different areas are proficient enough in math to teach it to 3rd graders.
Why does an auto mechanic or plumber need to take two years of algebra? Why does someone like that need to be in school until age 18?
You really think an auto mechanic or a plumber doesn't need to be able to think in mathematical terms? Are you actively encouraging more innumeracy in this country? You think that would be a positive? And you want more people even less educated than they already are? What are you, an enemy of the Republic?
And do you really expect a kid in the 6th grade to know what he's going to do with the rest of his life? You want to narrow his options that early on? Way to get the most out of our human resources. It doesn't seem to me that there is any lack of availability for kids who choose a vocational track. It does seem to me that you want to view it as a dumping ground for any average to below average kids in a standard high school track. Giving up is not a solution - not an American one at least. Your approach would just push all the problems we have now onto the vocational schools, which would quickly be over capacity and overrun with kids who want to be there as much as they didn't want to be in a regular academic track. In addition, pumping out hordes of auto mechanics and plumbers would only serve to lower the overall quality and compensation of those trades (and others). Do you think the future of the American economy lies in becoming a nation predominantly of tradesmen? Will we compete in the global economy that way? Do you want to take every kid who is a pain in the ass and send him to school to learn how to make buggy whips? Will that contribute to our global economic dominance?
Looking for easy answers is seldom fruitful.
who said plumbers and carpenters shouln't know math?
Do you really believe they need algebra?
Most people 75-89% do not graduate from college, yey just about everyone takes college prep classes in high school.
Don't you believe that's a wasted effort for all but 25% ?
Why do doctors need a medical degree?
Some do not. Some of the best I've ever worked with were osteopaths.
Ok, the next time you need surgery you go look for someone who doesn't have a medical degree. Good luck with that.
Would you live in a house with no foundation?
When I wrote earlier of a basically educated teacher entering the field, I was speaking of whatever the district determines that basic education is. For most I suppose, it is a Bachelor's in Education. Why does it have to be education? Why not a bachelor's in numerous areas and conduct training on curriculum and classroom management? Along the way, the teacher would be required to obtain the courses needed to complete the certification. For example, Human Growth and Development should be required if it does not show up on the transcript. We also have to do child abuse and technology certifications.
It's fiction that teachers make a big difference in a child's education. Maybe a school full of Afro teachers would cause real damage. But, other than extreme cases, teachers aren't the big problem. Class size and amount of funding also aren't big factors.
there is some truth in this.......
I don't believe that there is a thing in the world that anyone can do to keep a child from learning, especially a bright student. That cream will rise to the top one way or another.
The opposite is true, in my opinion, for the poor learners. Some just don't have the smarts to succeed at any level beyond 5th grade. Some do not even try to do the work and are disruptive and take up space and tax dollars. Yet we insist on keeping them in an academic environment until age 18?
But it's more than just smarts. I know a number of people who , although they are not academicians, are very bright, just not suited to academics. Some are good cabinet makers, carpenters and so on. Their talents lie elswhere.
There problem with education in this country is that everyone is expected to be on the college track. Why does an auto mechanic or plumber need to take two years of algebra? Why does someone like that need to be in school until age 18?
Why do we have so few vocational technical schools? Shouldn't they be learning how do balance ledgers and do measurements or read blueprints instead?
1. focus on the basics the frst 3 years of school. Reading writing and math with very little content.
2. introduce content at about the 4th grade
3. By about the 6th grade we should know who is suited for university. There should be strict requirements to go on the college prep class.
4. those that don't make the college prep class can either go to vocational school or general education. In both these cases hopefully all but a smalll minority will be able to read and do math at least functionally. General ed has classes in functional math and business classes.
5. Those that wash out at college prep can still go the general ed or vocational school.
what are the problems with this:
1. Parents: most of them will fight tooth and nail to get them into the college prep track even if it's clear they are not suited.
2. government: will piss and moan because there are not enough of this demographic or that demograhic in the college prep course, so standards will have to be lowered.
I'm also quite certian that "bad teachers" are not the problem they are made out to be.
Most of the teachers not suited to the profession will voluntarily resign or be placed on probation and be weeded out within three years. So, there are very few of them. Most teachers are "average". Common sense should tell you that.
What is a good teacher anyway? Who decides this?
Test scores? Like Blimpo said, what if you have a room full of students on IEPs that are below avearge?
Are you a good teacher if your AP students pass the standardized test?
When I wrote earlier of a basically educated teacher entering the field, I was speaking of whatever the district determines that basic education is. For most I suppose, it is a Bachelor's in Education. Why does it have to be education? Why not a bachelor's in numerous areas and conduct training on curriculum and classroom management? Along the way, the teacher would be required to obtain the courses needed to complete the certification. For example, Human Growth and Development should be required if it does not show up on the transcript. We also have to do child abuse and technology certifications.
Requirements will vary from place to place, but in many areas it doesn't matter so much what your undergrad degree was in (to an extent), but you need to become certified before you can be hired to teach (unless you have a Master's degree or higher in the relevant field).
When I wrote earlier of a basically educated teacher entering the field, I was speaking of whatever the district determines that basic education is. For most I suppose, it is a Bachelor's in Education. Why does it have to be education? Why not a bachelor's in numerous areas and conduct training on curriculum and classroom management? Along the way, the teacher would be required to obtain the courses needed to complete the certification. For example, Human Growth and Development should be required if it does not show up on the transcript. We also have to do child abuse and technology certifications.
Requirements will vary from place to place, but in many areas it doesn't matter so much what your undergrad degree was in (to an extent), but you need to become certified before you can be hired to teach (unless you have a Master's degree or higher in the relevant field).
Maybe I got too wrapped around the OP's concern of not enough men in elementary teaching and started rambling while on Percocet. One thing for sure is, my current colleagues are among the most dedicated and professional co-workers I have ever had, and that includes my 26 years in the Navy.
did you take the VCLA and VRA?
