An example of why the people no longer believe your crap

[westwall]

Hmmm....... So what you are stating is that the people in Europe are lying? If not, then what is your point?

You might also note the crop losses. Or did that go right over your pointy little head?

No, the people in Europe are idiots that did not design their roads and runways to handle possible temperatures. That does not make them liars, just stupid.

Heat Wave Cooks Eastern United States Again

Not that New Yorkers, on the fourth day of a record-breaking heat wave stifling much of the Eastern Seaboard, were suffering alone.

With triple-digit highs recorded from New York to Charlotte, N.C., roads buckled, nursing homes with air-conditioning problems were forced to evacuate, and utilities called for conservation as the electrical grid neared its capacity.

New York, where many buildings predate the age of climate control and many people don't have cars, is not for the faint of hot. The mercury hit 100 by 3 p.m. Wednesday after topping out at 103 on Tuesday.

And that's because the idiots have decided not to invest in their infrastructure for 30 years. Not because of the heat. The heat has only helped what 30 years of neglect has created.

 

[Old Rocks]

Daytime temperatures of 8 to 10 degrees C is a heat wave. Russia is not the Southwest of the US. The kinds of temperatures experianced in the Southwest summers would be a major heat wave in the Northwest, and result in major fires and crop losses.

In fact, other than to demostrate your inate stupidity, I fail to see why you even made the comparison.

Heat wave shatters another temperature record in Moscow | Russia | RIA Novosti

The heat wave in the entire Central Russia area is expected to last until July 22. Average day temperatures in Moscow are 8-10 degrees Centigrade above the norm.

Try walking the steppes of Russia some time and tell me how they are cool old fraud. The definition of steppe is "a vast semi arid grass covered plain". Please note the semi arid part. It gets pretty hot there my friend. Just like the Great Plains of the US. The areas where all of these "heat waves" are located is mainly in the steppe regions of the Russian Confederation. It's normal.

"The areas where all of these "heat waves" are located is mainly in the Steppe regions of the Russian Confederation."

 

[Old Rocks]

Hmmm....... So what you are stating is that the people in Europe are lying? If not, then what is your point?

You might also note the crop losses. Or did that go right over your pointy little head?

No, the people in Europe are idiots that did not design their roads and runways to handle possible temperatures. That does not make them liars, just stupid.

That is actually a hold over from their socialist past. Nothing the socialist governments ever built was any good. Widespread code violations, below spec building materials etc. that's why when you go to eastern Europe the only really nice buildings are the old ones.
In the former East Germany whole blocks of communist buildings have been demolished because they were so crappy. Kind of like their Trabants

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-mZ9pKvCmk]YouTube - Surprise![/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hmmm....... So what you are stating is that the people in Europe are lying? If not, then what is your point?

You might also note the crop losses. Or did that go right over your pointy little head?

No, the people in Europe are idiots that did not design their roads and runways to handle possible temperatures. That does not make them liars, just stupid.

Heat Wave Cooks Eastern United States Again

Not that New Yorkers, on the fourth day of a record-breaking heat wave stifling much of the Eastern Seaboard, were suffering alone.

With triple-digit highs recorded from New York to Charlotte, N.C., roads buckled, nursing homes with air-conditioning problems were forced to evacuate, and utilities called for conservation as the electrical grid neared its capacity.

New York, where many buildings predate the age of climate control and many people don't have cars, is not for the faint of hot. The mercury hit 100 by 3 p.m. Wednesday after topping out at 103 on Tuesday.

Shows there are idiots on the east coast also. We routinely get 120+ temps and the roads never buckle, why do they buckle in other areas at 30 degrees lower temps? Because they are not properly designed for it, because these types of temps only happen every decade or so. I think the last one like this was in 2001.

But keep trying to tell me that 100 is hot, you might succeed if you repeat it long enough.

 

[westwall]

Daytime temperatures of 8 to 10 degrees C is a heat wave. Russia is not the Southwest of the US. The kinds of temperatures experianced in the Southwest summers would be a major heat wave in the Northwest, and result in major fires and crop losses.

In fact, other than to demostrate your inate stupidity, I fail to see why you even made the comparison.

Heat wave shatters another temperature record in Moscow | Russia | RIA Novosti

The heat wave in the entire Central Russia area is expected to last until July 22. Average day temperatures in Moscow are 8-10 degrees Centigrade above the norm.

Try walking the steppes of Russia some time and tell me how they are cool old fraud. The definition of steppe is "a vast semi arid grass covered plain". Please note the semi arid part. It gets pretty hot there my friend. Just like the Great Plains of the US. The areas where all of these "heat waves" are located is mainly in the steppe regions of the Russian Confederation. It's normal.

"The areas where all of these "heat waves" are located is mainly in the Steppe regions of the Russian Confederation."

Definition of mainly from Meriam Webster dictionary, FOR THE MOST part. NOT EXCLUSIVELY. Try reading a book. You know at one time contrarians had a reason for being. You on the other hand are just simply obstinate, which means unreasonable rigidity. Try letting go of your emotions Luke. You might feel better.

 

[Big Fitz]

How in the WORLD does their tarmac melt and buckle at 95°?!?

How is 95° considered a "fierce heatwave," ffs?!?

If THAT's the case, us south Texas folks have been living with the GrandDaddy of ALL Heatwaves for quite some time.

HEY! Think if I bitch up a storm about it, the gov will send me a new A/C and some money? I could get All OVER That!!!

well it sometimes happens on highways. I've seen heat buckling. just a thin strip of concrete bursts as the swelling in the heat overwhelms it's strength

 

[Hugidwyn]

Moscow. July 19. INTERFAX.RU - cold weather in Moscow is expected. Forecasters issued a disappointing forecast for the others, promising clear and hot. Consistently clear and hot. Moreover, according to long-term forecast gidrometeobyuro Moscow and Moscow region, temperatures will still rise.

In the coming weekend in the thermometer can jump to almost 40 degrees. According to a forecast on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in the capital is expected to 32 ... 33 degrees above zero, while in the middle of the week may be some intermittent rain. However, even with Thursday's temperatures may continue to grow, and on Thursday the thermometer may reach 35 degrees, but by Sunday the temperature may rise to +38.

Meanwhile, on Monday morning in Moscow sharply deteriorated ecological situation in some parts of the city once again a strong smell of smoke. As Interfax correspondent, breathing heavily Muscovites and visitors to the city on the east and southeast of the capital, in particular, Volgograd and Ryazan prospectus, the highway of Enthusiasts, in Kosino, and Novokosino, Zhulebino, as well as the south-east and east. According to the agency correspondents, from this side to the city went smoke of burning in the suburbs of peatlands in the air hung white haze. The smell of burning is felt even in the north and north-west of the capital, such as the Leningrad Highway in the vicinity of Falcon.

BACKGROUND: In 2002, another very hot summer, Moscow was at the mercy of smoke from forest and peat fires, which covered the Moscow region. Then, in July and August in the city was impossible to breathe, the capital hung a heavy smog. In the summer of 2002 in Moscow there were more than 2 thousand seats of fire, the total area of fire more than 3 hectares. In the aftermath of fires attended by more than 5 thousand people, more than a thousand pieces of specialized equipment. Material damage Shatura, Orekhovo-Zuevskaya, Egorievsk, Gryaznov and Noginsk region, according to expert estimates, exceeded 1 billion rubles.

 

[Douger]

See what CO2 did to these crops?

Interesting picture you posted. Too bad you don't understand it and probably never will.
It's all about symbols and nobody can see them.

 

[Douger]

See what CO2 did to these crops?

Interesting picture you posted. Too bad you don't understand it and probably never will.
It's all about symbols and nobody can see them.Especially murkins.

 

[daveman]

See what CO2 did to these crops?

Interesting picture you posted. Too bad you don't understand it and probably never will.
It's all about symbols and nobody can see them.Especially murkins.

You know one thing this 'Murkin saw?

A documentary about the men who invented crop circles. The two guys made one especially for the doc, and were filmed doing so. The next day, when Britain's leading "crop circles are made by aliens" guy shows up, the filmmakers show him the footage.

He said, "No, this one was made by aliens."

The AGW crowd is kinda like that. Nothing shakes their faith.

 

[daveman]

Hmmm....... So what you are stating is that the people in Europe are lying? If not, then what is your point?

You might also note the crop losses. Or did that go right over your pointy little head?

No, the people in Europe are idiots that did not design their roads and runways to handle possible temperatures. That does not make them liars, just stupid.

Heat Wave Cooks Eastern United States Again

Not that New Yorkers, on the fourth day of a record-breaking heat wave stifling much of the Eastern Seaboard, were suffering alone.

With triple-digit highs recorded from New York to Charlotte, N.C., roads buckled, nursing homes with air-conditioning problems were forced to evacuate, and utilities called for conservation as the electrical grid neared its capacity.

New York, where many buildings predate the age of climate control and many people don't have cars, is not for the faint of hot. The mercury hit 100 by 3 p.m. Wednesday after topping out at 103 on Tuesday.

Let me see if I got this right:

One day is weather. But apparently 4 days is climate.

Right?

 

[konradv]

From a 200PPM increase in CO2, Old Rock?

So, it should be a piece of cake for you to show us how a 200PPM increase in CO2 does that in a laboratory setting, right? I mean crop failure! Buckling tarmacs!

How can you miss?

It is A PIECE OF CAKE and you already know that. Who are you trying to fool by pretending it hasn't been proven repeatedly?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From a 200PPM increase in CO2, Old Rock?

So, it should be a piece of cake for you to show us how a 200PPM increase in CO2 does that in a laboratory setting, right? I mean crop failure! Buckling tarmacs!

How can you miss?

It is A PIECE OF CAKE and you already know that. Who are you trying to fool by pretending it hasn't been proven repeatedly?

This isn't a Penn & Teller routine; this is "Science". You're contending that a 200PPM increase can do all these things yet when you do the magic act, you go up to 600,000PPM.

 

[konradv]

From a 200PPM increase in CO2, Old Rock?

So, it should be a piece of cake for you to show us how a 200PPM increase in CO2 does that in a laboratory setting, right? I mean crop failure! Buckling tarmacs!

How can you miss?

It is A PIECE OF CAKE and you already know that. Who are you trying to fool by pretending it hasn't been proven repeatedly?

This isn't a Penn & Teller routine; this is "Science". You're contending that a 200PPM increase can do all these things yet when you do the magic act, you go up to 600,000PPM.

When? Simply lying doesn't cut it. You KNOW it's been proven, but keep posting to what, confuse the unsophisticated? Don't see where that does anything for you, except label you as a partisan hack who doesn't really care about the science.

 

[Big Fitz]

See what CO2 did to these crops?

Interesting picture you posted. Too bad you don't understand it and probably never will.
It's all about symbols and nobody can see them.Especially murkins.

You know one thing this 'Murkin saw?

A documentary about the men who invented crop circles. The two guys made one especially for the doc, and were filmed doing so. The next day, when Britain's leading "crop circles are made by aliens" guy shows up, the filmmakers show him the footage.

He said, "No, this one was made by aliens."

The AGW crowd is kinda like that. Nothing shakes their faith.

 

[westwall]

It is A PIECE OF CAKE and you already know that. Who are you trying to fool by pretending it hasn't been proven repeatedly?

This isn't a Penn & Teller routine; this is "Science". You're contending that a 200PPM increase can do all these things yet when you do the magic act, you go up to 600,000PPM.

When? Simply lying doesn't cut it. You KNOW it's been proven, but keep posting to what, confuse the unsophisticated? Don't see where that does anything for you, except label you as a partisan hack who doesn't really care about the science.

No konrad,

It has not been proven. In fact it has been disproved many times. Otherwise the Earth would allready be in a major heating trend irrespective of el Nino or la Nina induced cycles. And the Earth is not. For every warm record that Chris loves to pontificate about I can present an area that is "abnormally cold".

It's called weather. It changes a lot. It has allways changed a lot. It will allways change a lot. I have to laugh everytime Chris posts one of his records, yes the record was broken....that means it was hotter a long time ago before man was around to screw things up.

That is the only thing man can prove about GW. It was warmer in the past and it took x number of years to break the record in the first place. Even a four year old (I will grant you however she is pretty damned sharp!) figured that out without my help. Why can't you?

 

[konradv]

You're fixated on temps. I don't care if they've haven't changed at all. If the gases keep rising, warming is inevitable and no amount gobble-de-gook designed to confuse the science challenged is going to repeal the Laws of Chemistry and Physics.

 

[westwall]

How does the fact that people drank too much negate the heat wave?

You know Ravi, I thought you were smarter than that. Clearly I was wrong. I will make it simple for you to understand. I was not commenting on the fact that there is reportedly a "heatwave" in Europe. I was pointing out the ridiculous hyperbole of trying to equate the deaths of a bunch of drunk swimmers as the result of said heatwave.

Though to continue with the "heatwave" itself. I find it amazing that the news saw fit to report on something that is natural. We get 95 degree weather here all the time. You know what? No one notices.

 

[westwall]

You're fixated on temps. I don't care if they've haven't changed at all. If the gases keep rising, warming is inevitable and no amount gobble-de-gook designed to confuse the science challenged is going to repeal the Laws of Chemistry and Physics.

But, but, but konrad, don't you see. The gasses have been rising at an increased rate for DECADES and there is no measurable difference. You had your chance. The Law of Thermodynamics says your theory was wrong and so it has been proven out. As a group of German scientists wrote to Chancellor Merkel,

"The July 26, 2009 German scientist letter urged Chancellor Merkel to “strongly reconsider” her position on global warming and requested a “convening of an impartial panel” that is “free of ideology” to counter the UN IPCC and review the latest climate science developments.

The scientists, from many disciplines, including physicists, meteorology, chemistry, and geology, explain that “humans have had no measurable effect on global warming through CO2 emissions. Instead the temperature fluctuations have been within normal ranges and are due to natural cycles.”

“More importantly, there's a growing body of evidence showing anthropogenic CO2 plays no measurable role,” the scientists wrote. “Indeed CO2's capability to absorb radiation is almost exhausted by today's atmospheric concentrations. If CO2 did indeed have an effect and all fossil fuels were burned, then additional warming over the long term would in fact remain limited to only a few tenths of a degree,” they added.

“The IPCC had to have been aware of this fact, but completely ignored it during its studies of 160 years of temperature measurements and 150 years of determined CO2 levels. As a result the IPCC has lost its scientific credibility,” the scientists wrote.

“Indeed the atmosphere has not warmed since 1998 – more than 10 years, and the global temperature has even dropped significantly since 2003. Not one of the many extremely expensive climate models predicted this. According to the IPCC, it was supposed to have gotten steadily warmer, but just the opposite has occurred,” the scientists wrote.

“The belief of climate change, and that it is manmade, has become a pseudo-religion,” the scientists wrote. “The German media has sadly taken a leading position in refusing to publicize views that are critical of anthropogenic global warming,” they added.

“Do you not believe, Madam Chancellor, that science entails more than just confirming a hypothesis, but also involves testing to see if the opposite better explains reality? We strongly urge you to reconsider your position on this subject and to convene an impartial panel for the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, one that is free of ideology, and where controversial arguments can be openly debated. We the undersigned would very much like to offer support in this regard."

 

[konradv]

“free of ideology”???? Yeah, the deniers are "free of ideology". What a laugh. It's also not just CO2. What of the other gases? While CO2 is on the forefront, there are others including some not found in nature, that are even more potent than CO2. They're parroting a line designed to fool the uninitiated in order to further an agenda. To say that the CO2 concentration effect is somehow maxed out, doesn't pass the smell test, IMO. They're fighting hard to equate a percieved lack of openess with bad science. They have to make it a political issue because 99% of the deniers' scientific objections turn out to be total nonsense.