An American Independence History Lesson From Dante

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    Some of you think you know much about the American Colonists, and this from your very selective readings and limited understandings of American Colonial History.

    So here is a tidbit.

    note: Bourne (Cape Cod), Lexington, Winthrop, and Stoughton, are Cities/Towns in Massachusetts, and Dorchester and Charlestown are neighborhoods in Boston.

    Op-Ed Contributor
    America’s Revolution: The Prequel
    By ADRIAN TINNISWOOD
    Published: July 2, 2010

    Bath, England

    PICTURE the scene: Out of the dawn mist, a fleet of longboats glides across the water, packed full of musket-wielding patriots and weather-beaten Massachusetts militiamen. Standing in the prow of the lead boat, like Washington crossing the Delaware, is a man with long flowing hair and a blood-red banner emblazoned with two words: Vincat veritas. Truth Conquers.

    It is a fact rarely discussed on either side of the Atlantic that American colonists played a crucial role in the English Civil War, the bitter struggle between King Charles I and Parliament that tore England apart in the 1640s. The English Revolution — and that is just what it was — can be interpreted in all kinds of ways...

    It was all those things. But it was also a battle against the arbitrary tyranny of the crown that prefigured America’s own struggle for independence...hundreds of American colonists cared enough about that struggle to sail back across the vast Atlantic...not in the frightening, alien landscape of Massachusetts but in the familiar fields and townships of England.
     
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    In London there is a statue of Cromwell in front of Parliament staring down a bronze head of Charles I on Westminster Abby.

    I laughed every time I walked in between them.

    There is also a plaque on Gloucester Place that states that Benedict Arnold died at that location, a “great American patriot.”

    God dam history if fun!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    The British really, really, really get irony.

    It is there meat and drink, after great beer and bad food.
     
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    Arnold was considered one of if not the first, hero of the Revolution. HE was a Patriot who was screwed over by the armchair warriors and other misfits. He ended up betraying his cause after his cause betrayed him.

    :cool:
     
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    It is true he was a brilliant general, a greater strategist than Washington, certainly better than the idiot Gates he had to serve under, and that genius was not recognized and so he turned.

    He could not understand the revolution was not about his military genius, it was bigger than him.

    If he did recognize this fact could have fought with the Force anyway and I bet he would have latter been recognized, because war is the hot house of merit.

    But he turned to the Dark Side.

    He was the ***** Vader of the American Revolution.

    And he never even got a "Luke I am your father" moment.
     
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    It had to do with petty politics and money. Arnold, like many of the other high ranking officers, put up his own fortune. Congressmen who disliked him screwed him out of compensation and more. It's a very long story. Arnold, was a great American, until America shit on him.
     
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    Now, is it Vincat veritas or Vincit veritas?

    :eusa_whistle:


     
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    It's interesting, but there's no list of sources he used, or to further information that I can look through myself.
     
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    really?

    Thomas Rainsborough - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    Ah, gratzi, not exactly what I was looking for, but it'll do. I was hoping for the monographs and primary documents he used to his information from, but Wikipedia works for now.
     

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