An Act of War?

It's about time as a nation we simply send a STRONG message to this regime. This is in a lot of ways an act of war on the part of North Korea should it be found out that they have been behind it. Our president and I doubt seriously that it will come to pass , should bring all US cyber assets into play against the N. Korean Govt. and shut that country down. It's high time this regime that exports deadly technology the world over and thumbs it nose at every sanction ever imposed on it be sent a message that it will CLEARLY understand.

Well, as an act of war, it was kind of the cyber version of throwing a rock at a tank, but it's good that they're setting up an office for cyber security. I'm surprised that wasn't done sooner.

The question is how far does such an office go and what type of monitoring powers should it have which would maintain some semblance of fourth amendment protections.

Meh, kinda like re-arranging deck chairs. The folks at NSA were doing it before. The folks at NSA are mostly doing it now. Think of it as creating an API for NSA.....:lol: It's a way that people can interface with the guardians of the puzzle palace.
 
North Korea violates the terms of the cease fire daily. This is just another example.

The real question isn't "should we go to war." The real question is "which cause guerre is sufficient to trigger a resumption of hostilities between NK and the United States."

In my estimation, we should probably wait for something a bit more severe than a mostly-unsuccessful cyberattack.
 
North Korea violates the terms of the cease fire daily. This is just another example.

The real question isn't "should we go to war." The real question is "which cause guerre is sufficient to trigger a resumption of hostilities between NK and the United States."

In my estimation, we should probably wait for something a bit more severe than a mostly-unsuccessful cyberattack.

Fuck it, let's Nuke the whole Fuckin' Region!...

:)

peace...
 
It's about time as a nation we simply send a STRONG message to this regime. This is in a lot of ways an act of war on the part of North Korea should it be found out that they have been behind it. Our president and I doubt seriously that it will come to pass , should bring all US cyber assets into play against the N. Korean Govt. and shut that country down. It's high time this regime that exports deadly technology the world over and thumbs it nose at every sanction ever imposed on it be sent a message that it will CLEARLY understand.

Well, as an act of war, it was kind of the cyber version of throwing a rock at a tank, but it's good that they're setting up an office for cyber security. I'm surprised that wasn't done sooner.

The question is how far does such an office go and what type of monitoring powers should it have which would maintain some semblance of fourth amendment protections.

More circumstantial evidence has emerged linking the Russian authorities to cyber-attacks on Georgia that coincided with a ground war between the two countries in July and August last year.

Security researchers from Greylogic published a report on Friday which concluded Russia's Foreign Military Intelligence agency (the GRU) and Federal Security Service (the FSB), rather than patriotic hackers, were likely to have played a key role in co-ordinating and organising the attacks.

The Stopgeorgia.ru forum, which became a fulcrum for attacks of key Georgian websites last year, uses an ISP located a few doors down from GRU headquarters. Greylogic reckons the site was added as a front for state-backed cyber-attacks under the cover of cybercrime.
Russian spy agencies linked to Georgian cyber-attacks • The Register

I think it's fairly well established jillian and there is a good reason for a Govt. to have a cyber-ops capability. In fact a cyber attack launched on behalf of a Govt. is an act of war akin to attacking a nations infrastructure such as a power plant, water resources, etc.

A counterstrike on an attacker’s computer network could be launched, Lewis said, but it would be extremely difficult.

“This is a gray area,” said Stewart Baker, who worked on cyber security at the Department of Homeland Security. “But if you know that the North Koreans were doing this, then at a minimum I would have thought you’d be entitled to do the same thing to them to show that you didn’t like it.”

If the attacks caused harm to anyone “you get more serious, and start thinking and talking about it as an act of war or at least state-sponsored violence,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a defense analyst at the Brookings Institution.

Though the recent computer attacks are considered by many cyber experts to be little more than a nuisance to public Web sites, the incident raised anew old criticism that the U.S. government’s policies on cyber warfare are shrouded in secrecy, ill-formed and require broad public debate.

“There’s a lot of thinking that needs to be done about how to respond to attacks like this and what the threshold is for responding to cyber attacks, with other means, whether they be economic sanctions or even military force,” Lord said.

The assault involved more than 100,000 “zombie” computers, used by someone without their owners’ knowledge and linked together in a network known as a “botnet.” Most of those computers were in South Korea, but others were in Japan, China, the U.S. and possibly other countries.

U.S. options limited in cyberattack response - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

As I stated earlier jillian most likely our response would be running to the UN and asking for further sanctions that will be ignored and blustering more about what we will do and then not do. In the end what needs to happen here is a clear signal needs to be sent to this Govt. with a repsonse in kind. To those that think that in kind means commiting American forces to the region then they have not understood the statement. I happen to agree with Gunny, N.K. would be a fairly easy target and it's my contention that it's time we sent them a message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized..

I fail to see how the 4th Amendment is violated by creating a cyber-ops branch who's tasked with protecting this nation against such attacks violates the 4th Amendment.
 
NAVY, I would like to reply re America's acts of war and all its other dirty deeds but Im affraid you would die of old age before I finished it.
 
An act of war. Oh please stop it will you, perhaps we should attack the US for all its acts of war against gods knows how many different nations and their peoples. Americans talk as if war is a game board where no one gets hurt. Its time to start growing up and take responsibility for your own actions. America, its Government and its people support acts of war, terrrorism, assasination, kidnapping extortion etc. etc. its a wonder we have allowed them to carry on like this for so long.

Talk about calling the kettle black, what happened to that once proud nation and its people, sold its soul for a few trinkets, suvs and Walmart.
 
An act of war. Oh please stop it will you, perhaps we should attack the US for all its acts of war against gods knows how many different nations and their peoples. Americans talk as if war is a game board where no one gets hurt. Its time to start growing up and take responsibility for your own actions. America, its Government and its people support acts of war, terrrorism, assasination, kidnapping extortion etc. etc. its a wonder we have allowed them to carry on like this for so long.

Talk about calling the kettle black, what happened to that once proud nation and its people, sold its soul for a few trinkets, suvs and Walmart.
:lol::lol::lol:

Not that you can back up any of your claims, but just out of curiousity. Exactly what is it the world is going to do? Complain to the UN?


:lol::lol:
 
What do you mean not back up my claims, I know education standards are falling in the US but surely history has not disapeared has it. And as for what are we going to do, we are already doing it, bleeding your country dry, filling it full of immigrants, closing all your industry, selling off your land etc. etc.

You see there is more than one way to skin a cat, one can bring a country to its knees or take control of it without war. It has been done many times in the past, but of course you know all this you just have not admitted it yet but you will one day.

And if you want to really know who is Americas greatest enemy is go look in the mirror, the answer will be all to clear. Its a shame really, you showed such promise but it has come to nought. In the short space of the heady days after ww2 the US has gone from rich and powerful to piss poor and reliant on others to help it out.

Now you can ask yourself who's fault is that but do you really want to answer.
 
Cyber Attacks Traced to the U.S., Britain | Threat Level | Wired.com

Well, it appears that the botnet used was heavily decentraliced, consisted of 8 actual botnets on different continents and people were able to trace it back to the US, Florida namely.

If Think the South Korean kinda expected/assumed some kind of "false flag" operation by some of their US "allies", otherwise they would not have hired Vietnamese IT-Specialists to assist them.

Wohoo, go to war with Florida!
I knew Jeb Bush was behind it!!!

By the way, yes, Russia does like to hack the IT-infrastructure of gouverments that sneak attack their peace-keeping soldiers operating under an international agreement.
 
NAVY, I would like to reply re America's acts of war and all its other dirty deeds but Im affraid you would die of old age before I finished it.

Allow that I tend to be healthy in my old age so in the age of the "level playing field" where one is so concerned about anothers health please , you have my permission to carry on with your revisionist new age look at how America's dirty deeds have made the world a bad place. In fact let me help you, let's start with the old liberal favorite Iraq, then there is of course Vietnam , how am I doing so far? If you had taken the time to read what was written you would have seen a consistant theme in my posting which said "IN KIND" . There are many aspects of war , some overt some not so overt. While I'm sure you think the entire wolds problems are a result of the United States "dirty deeds" I might suggest you put the cardboard protest sign down and actually read a history book that might be written prior to 2000.
 

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