An Act of War?

Why do you think that?

Well as I said, they're a third-world country. I can't see them having the technology to be able to hack into any of our government websites, which I would have to assume are the best protected websites in the world.

I see. I think you are laboring under the misapprehension that in order to be successful at "hacking" one must have an extensive array of high tech equipment. Thus, a super power would have an advantage over a third world country. This is not the case.

Cyber-warfare is the ultimate in asymmetric warfare. All you need, depending on what you are doing, is a PC, some free tools and the knowledge to make them work. There are some other things you can do that involve botnets, but they probably aren't using those for this exercise.

Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.
 
Well as I said, they're a third-world country. I can't see them having the technology to be able to hack into any of our government websites, which I would have to assume are the best protected websites in the world.

I see. I think you are laboring under the misapprehension that in order to be successful at "hacking" one must have an extensive array of high tech equipment. Thus, a super power would have an advantage over a third world country. This is not the case.

Cyber-warfare is the ultimate in asymmetric warfare. All you need, depending on what you are doing, is a PC, some free tools and the knowledge to make them work. There are some other things you can do that involve botnets, but they probably aren't using those for this exercise.

Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

Gotcha. Happens to be my field. At least from the defense prospective.
 
Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

did not some kid somewhere hack the Dept of DEFENCE?....
 
like I said, the wimp in the WH will ignore it. no freaking backbone!

Like the previous "wimp" in the White House ignored 8 years of provocation?

N.K. has nukes. We aren't going to war with them.

Sorry to rain on your blood lust.





heee heee! appeasement and ass kissing won't work,, never has, but I like to see wimpy democwats ass kissing it's entertaining.. :lol::lol::lol:
The previous "wimp" in the whitehouse kept the terrorists off of our soil for the eight years he was the president. Clinton didn't, and pray tell this current idiot will, but I doubt it. He is just simply too weak.
 
Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

did not some kid somewhere hack the Dept of DEFENCE?....

Well as I said, I know nothing about hacking so it may be that I'm simply being naive in my judgement. But something certainly seems suspect to me if a third-world country can hack into government websites of the most advanced nation on Earth.

As for a kid hacking the Dept. of Defense, I'm not sure. I don't recall hearing about it.
 
North Korea is suspected of launching a cyber attack that paralysed the websites of South Korean and United States government agencies, banks and businesses, the first such large-scale attack attempted by the isolated communist state.

The attack came as Kim Jong Il, the North Korean leader, made a rare appearance at a ceremony to mark the 15th anniversary of the death of his father, the founding president, Kim Il Sung.

The younger Mr Kim is believed to have suffered a stroke last August and dropped from view completely for several months.

South Korea’s intelligence agency has reportedly told members of parliament that it believes North Korea is behind the attack, which hit 25 websites on Tuesday evening, shutting some of them down for up to four hours.
North Korea 'launches massive cyber attack on Seoul' - Times Online


It's about time as a nation we simply send a STRONG message to this regime. This is in a lot of ways an act of war on the part of North Korea should it be found out that they have been behind it. Our president and I doubt seriously that it will come to pass , should bring all US cyber assets into play against the N. Korean Govt. and shut that country down. It's high time this regime that exports deadly technology the world over and thumbs it nose at every sanction ever imposed on it be sent a message that it will CLEARLY understand.

IF the accusation can be proven, I would consider it an act of war. Our government won't do anything about it though. We have EW capability to shut that little pisspot country off at the phones.
 
For those that think Obama is doing nothing about cyber terrorism:

Security Fix - Obama: Cyber Security is a National Security Priority

Personally, I would see this as an "Act of War" IF you can prove that it was North Korea. However, at this point, the chances of that happening are probably slim to none. For example, it could be the Chinese, it could be someone who just sympathizes with North Korea, it could be some guy in his basement anywhere in the U.S even. Our internet security at the moment isn't as strong as people think.

One of the major future battlefields is the World Wide Web. Hackers could shut down vital parts of any country and possibly even bring it to it's knees.

However, the appropriate response to North Korea if it does turn out to be them would be a taste of their own medicine. There is no need to send in troops when you can show them exactly what it means to be a hacker.
 
Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

did not some kid somewhere hack the Dept of DEFENCE?....

Well as I said, I know nothing about hacking so it may be that I'm simply being naive in my judgement. But something certainly seems suspect to me if a third-world country can hack into government websites of the most advanced nation on Earth.

As for a kid hacking the Dept. of Defense, I'm not sure. I don't recall hearing about it.

ok look at this.....


UK agrees extradition of hacker Gary McKinnon

Rob Wright on 06 July 2006 - 18:25
The US request to extradite the British hacker accused of the "biggest military hack of all time" has been granted by the UK Home Secretary John Reid.

Gary McKinnon, accused of breaking into US government computers, has been fighting extradition since his arrest in November 2002. He has told the BBC that he feels "very worried and let down by my own government".

The US, in its case for extradition, said Mr McKinnon caused more than $700,000 (£375,235) of damage while exploring the computer networks at various US military institutions.

Mr McKinnon has admitted that he spent almost two years exploring these networks but said he was motivated by a search for "suppressed technology". His family have 14 days to appeal against the ruling.

News source: BBC News
 
Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

did not some kid somewhere hack the Dept of DEFENCE?....

Well as I said, I know nothing about hacking so it may be that I'm simply being naive in my judgement. But something certainly seems suspect to me if a third-world country can hack into government websites of the most advanced nation on Earth.

As for a kid hacking the Dept. of Defense, I'm not sure. I don't recall hearing about it.

A country doesn't need to be wealthy to have a few computers and have a few geeks to pound away on them. As mentioned, there's lots of free resources on the net to help one achieve this, it only requires people who know how to use them.
Give someone who does know their way around the hacking world enough time, and they'll find someway to disrupt things, regardless how poor they are.

I'm not positive, but it sounds like these guys are just overloading the servers with connection requests, therefore crashing the servers, which isn't really all that difficult at all for a hacker.

Don't feel bad about being a little naive about computer security Kevin. Most people don't realize how easy it really is, although it is getting increasingly difficult to accomplish.
 
North Korea is suspected of launching a cyber attack that paralysed the websites of South Korean and United States government agencies, banks and businesses, the first such large-scale attack attempted by the isolated communist state.

The attack came as Kim Jong Il, the North Korean leader, made a rare appearance at a ceremony to mark the 15th anniversary of the death of his father, the founding president, Kim Il Sung.

The younger Mr Kim is believed to have suffered a stroke last August and dropped from view completely for several months.

South Korea’s intelligence agency has reportedly told members of parliament that it believes North Korea is behind the attack, which hit 25 websites on Tuesday evening, shutting some of them down for up to four hours.
North Korea 'launches massive cyber attack on Seoul' - Times Online


It's about time as a nation we simply send a STRONG message to this regime. This is in a lot of ways an act of war on the part of North Korea should it be found out that they have been behind it. Our president and I doubt seriously that it will come to pass , should bring all US cyber assets into play against the N. Korean Govt. and shut that country down. It's high time this regime that exports deadly technology the world over and thumbs it nose at every sanction ever imposed on it be sent a message that it will CLEARLY understand.


I agree.

If a national government attacks the net or our assets on the net we should very enthusiastically respond in kind.

This probably explains why Google was dogging it yesterday.
 
Well as I said, they're a third-world country. I can't see them having the technology to be able to hack into any of our government websites, which I would have to assume are the best protected websites in the world.

I see. I think you are laboring under the misapprehension that in order to be successful at "hacking" one must have an extensive array of high tech equipment. Thus, a super power would have an advantage over a third world country. This is not the case.

Cyber-warfare is the ultimate in asymmetric warfare. All you need, depending on what you are doing, is a PC, some free tools and the knowledge to make them work. There are some other things you can do that involve botnets, but they probably aren't using those for this exercise.

Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

Kevin, it has been done by teenage kids with home computers. And all sectors of society are vulneble to this kind of attack.

I agree with Navy, we must respond. The question is what is the best response? That I would leave up to the people that know this kind of warfare. However, it seems to me that one very good response would be to do something that shuts down a whole bunch of vital things in North Korea in such a way that they cannot really tell if it was from the outside, or an internal glitch.
 
the wimp in the WH will ignore it. :razz:

That's Incorrect... He will Likely Apologize for US Actions that have Harmed North Korea and it's People since the War, and ask what we can do to Rectify it.

:)

peace...

We had a President that saw 3000 Americans murdered on American soil. Instead of getting the perpretator of that deed, he went off adventuring on a war based on lies he helped formulate.

President Obama won't ask Bush or you about the proper response. And he will probably quietly give to orders that will neutralize the threat, and teach a lesson to the idiots that have launched this attack. And do so without the cowboy theatrics of the last admin.
 
Well I admit that I don't know anything about hacking but I can't imagine that it could be done to the United States by North Korea. Obviously I'm far from an authority on the subject but I think it's highly unlikely.

did not some kid somewhere hack the Dept of DEFENCE?....

Well as I said, I know nothing about hacking so it may be that I'm simply being naive in my judgement. But something certainly seems suspect to me if a third-world country can hack into government websites of the most advanced nation on Earth.

As for a kid hacking the Dept. of Defense, I'm not sure. I don't recall hearing about it.

NASA's home page has also been become a favorite site for hackers, who've attacked it at least three times in the last 18 months. The culprits in the first two attacks left pornographic pictures, radical political screeds and a statement decrying the commercialization of the Internet. The most recent NASA hack occurred only two months ago, when a Delaware teen-ager altered the Web site for the agency's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., and left this message: "We own you. Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive." The hacker added that the site's managers were "extremely stupid." He is under investigation by the computer crimes division of NASA's Office of the Inspector General.

Hack Attack (8/1/97) -- www.GovernmentExecutive.com
 
I think we should push back and crash every 286 in their puny little country!
 
"the premeditated use of disruptive activities, or the threat thereof, against computers and/or networks, with the intention to cause harm or to further social, ideological, religious, political or similar objectives or to intimidate any person in furtherance of such objectives."


hmm... so, if I hacked in and attached a banner to every page on a gov site, that said 'Give peace a chance' that would be an act of war?

Or it would if NK did it, I suppose. Interesting.
 
When I was in the Service we considered cornering NK with embedded viruses and wiping their PCs clean, or placing hydras on them that would shut their systems down randomly/frequently.

The problem with attacking NK electronically like cutting off their web access, is china - the NKs can just re-route thru the chinese, so unless you want to spur other nations to do what the chinese have suggested, i.e. moving control of the web away from the VA servers you cannot pursue them either. The best option is to block unauthorized access at the entry points.
 
It's about time as a nation we simply send a STRONG message to this regime. This is in a lot of ways an act of war on the part of North Korea should it be found out that they have been behind it. Our president and I doubt seriously that it will come to pass , should bring all US cyber assets into play against the N. Korean Govt. and shut that country down. It's high time this regime that exports deadly technology the world over and thumbs it nose at every sanction ever imposed on it be sent a message that it will CLEARLY understand.

Well, as an act of war, it was kind of the cyber version of throwing a rock at a tank, but it's good that they're setting up an office for cyber security. I'm surprised that wasn't done sooner.

The question is how far does such an office go and what type of monitoring powers should it have which would maintain some semblance of fourth amendment protections.
 

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