America's Debt: Shame on Them

Except the President has already put a offer on the table and has even made discussions about cutting both Social Security and Medicare. Also as The Economist points out, the deal being offered right now is pretty much what the GOP wanted.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

The Republicans have made it perfectly crystal clear that tax increases are off the table. Obama wants $400 billion in tax increases. Cutting Social security is a sucker play.

Furthermore, you seem to think that having only 70% of their income coming in would be a good thing even for the short term. Any reason you decided to ignore warnings from say S&P that will drop our credit rating to a D if we don't raise the debt ceiling?

It's an idle threat. The change in credit rating will occur only if the government defaults on Treasury bills.
 
The only bills the U.S. government is legally obligated to pay are U.S. Treasury bills.

:lol:

You let me know how not paying our creditors will go. Just as well as you paying only 70% of your credit card bill each month would go.

Paying Treasury bills is paying our creditors. Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries are not creditors.
 
Pelosi has already said that the best appraoch to the election is to allow the deal to lapse, cut the payments to SS Recipients and blame the Reps. Reid refuses to allow any debate on a budget on the Floor of the Senate.

The Big 0 is saying that increasing the tax on corporate jets will solve the problem. 700 years of this deduction applied to the deficit would pay for one month of the Big 0's budgetary failures.

What can you produce to indicate that this is anything but a ruse and a swindle?

Mind giving a link to anything you just said?
 
It's an idle threat. The change in credit rating will occur only if the government defaults on Treasury bills.

You think S&P is kidding? I don't. You're willing to bet the future of the economy on a hunch?
 
Assuming you voted, does this mean you've been won over to the Big 0's camp by his enlightened leadership?

I don't agree with the President on many issues, so insert another quarter and try again. Also, why are you calling the President a robot?



Does that mean you voted for McCain or that you did not vote?

There's a robot called the Big Zero?
 
Does that mean you voted for McCain or that you did not vote?

There's a robot called the Big Zero?

I didn't vote. Also, I figured you were trying to put The Big O. The Big O is a robot.

Is the name-calling really necessary anyway?
 
Does that mean you voted for McCain or that you did not vote?

There's a robot called the Big Zero?

I didn't vote. Also, I figured you were trying to put The Big O. The Big O is a robot.

Is the name-calling really necessary anyway?



It's actually a double entande. Didn't vote? Why are you entering into debate on this if you don't vote? In the house in which i was raised, If you didn't vote, you had no voice in the debate.
 
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Conceeding the point that default would be a bad thing, how often do you propose we raise the debt ceiling and to what level must it rise before it becomes a problem and spending should be reduced?

Is there any circimstance under which you feel that it might be good to reduce the spending and to stop increasing the debt?

Or we can just raise the debt ceiling and continue the spending cuts talks that are currently going on.

We raised the Debt ceiling seven times during the Bush Administration, don't suddenly act like you all care now.



W spent money like a sailor on a three day leave. The Big 0 spends money like a pimp with three days to live.

The Big 0 has equalled the debt increase under Bush in only two years. Impressive.

W was wrong to have done it and the Big 0 is wrong to have done it so much more dramatically.

W was a Liberal in his spending practices. IMHO, he was wrong to have spent more than was collected. That W was wrong does little to prove the the Big 0 is right.

So, I'll ask again: Is there any circimstance under which you feel that it might be good to reduce the spending and to stop increasing the debt?

You notice how he didn't even attempt to answer your question?
 
Didn't vote? Why are you entering into debate on this if you don't vote? In the house in which i was raised, If you didn't vote, you had no voice in the debate.

Age had something to do it. So just shut down that line of argument before it could leave the nest.
 
The Republicans are going to achieve some spending cuts to go along with raising the Debt Limit. Will they be enough? Probably not. But obviously these cuts would not have happened without the Republicans pushing so hard. So it really is astounding that someone could actually find an angle to blame Republicans on this issue. I'll take any cuts i can get at this point. So i have to give Kudos to the Republicans for pushing so hard. The OP's source is just wrong on this.
 
Pelosi has already said that the best appraoch to the election is to allow the deal to lapse, cut the payments to SS Recipients and blame the Reps. Reid refuses to allow any debate on a budget on the Floor of the Senate.

The Big 0 is saying that increasing the tax on corporate jets will solve the problem. 700 years of this deduction applied to the deficit would pay for one month of the Big 0's budgetary failures.

What can you produce to indicate that this is anything but a ruse and a swindle?

Mind giving a link to anything you just said?


HotAirPundit: Krauthammer on the Jet Tax: If It Was Collected Every Year Since John the Baptist, You Wouldn't Cut One of Obama's Deficit's By Half
KRAUTHAMMER: "I did the math on this. If you collect the corporate jet tax every year for the next 5000 years, you will cover one year of the debt Obama has run up"


EDITORIAL: Reid's budget strategy - Washington Times
For the second year in a row, Mr. Reid has failed to produce a Senate budget. That means any member may bring a plan to the floor andget it passed with 51 votes. As many as four different budgets could be considered this week: Mr. Ryan‘s; conservative plans from Sen. Patrick J. Toomey, Pennsylvania Republican, and Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican; and President Obama’s 2012 budget. The Democratic majority is expected to vote down all of them, including the White House proposal.

Nancy Pelosi Says House Dems Won’t Support Obama on Proposed Debt-Limit Entitlement Cuts | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze
 
Pelosi has already said that the best appraoch to the election is to allow the deal to lapse, cut the payments to SS Recipients and blame the Reps. Reid refuses to allow any debate on a budget on the Floor of the Senate.

The Big 0 is saying that increasing the tax on corporate jets will solve the problem. 700 years of this deduction applied to the deficit would pay for one month of the Big 0's budgetary failures.

What can you produce to indicate that this is anything but a ruse and a swindle?

Mind giving a link to anything you just said?


HotAirPundit: Krauthammer on the Jet Tax: If It Was Collected Every Year Since John the Baptist, You Wouldn't Cut One of Obama's Deficit's By Half
KRAUTHAMMER: "I did the math on this. If you collect the corporate jet tax every year for the next 5000 years, you will cover one year of the debt Obama has run up"


EDITORIAL: Reid's budget strategy - Washington Times
For the second year in a row, Mr. Reid has failed to produce a Senate budget. That means any member may bring a plan to the floor andget it passed with 51 votes. As many as four different budgets could be considered this week: Mr. Ryan‘s; conservative plans from Sen. Patrick J. Toomey, Pennsylvania Republican, and Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican; and President Obama’s 2012 budget. The Democratic majority is expected to vote down all of them, including the White House proposal.

Nancy Pelosi Says House Dems Won’t Support Obama on Proposed Debt-Limit Entitlement Cuts | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze

give him a sec. he'll come up with something.



:popcorn:
 
HotAirPundit: Krauthammer on the Jet Tax: If It Was Collected Every Year Since John the Baptist, You Wouldn't Cut One of Obama's Deficit's By Half
KRAUTHAMMER: "I did the math on this. If you collect the corporate jet tax every year for the next 5000 years, you will cover one year of the debt Obama has run up"


EDITORIAL: Reid's budget strategy - Washington Times
For the second year in a row, Mr. Reid has failed to produce a Senate budget. That means any member may bring a plan to the floor andget it passed with 51 votes. As many as four different budgets could be considered this week: Mr. Ryan‘s; conservative plans from Sen. Patrick J. Toomey, Pennsylvania Republican, and Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican; and President Obama’s 2012 budget. The Democratic majority is expected to vote down all of them, including the White House proposal.

Nancy Pelosi Says House Dems Won’t Support Obama on Proposed Debt-Limit Entitlement Cuts | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze

Except where did Obama say that the corporate jet tax is the solution to our problems?

Your link about Reid is a editorial, not a news story.

Pelosi saying she won't support SS and Medicare cuts is different from what you said. Furthermore, Obama doesn't need Pelosi if he does decide to cut SS and Medicare.
 
America's debt: Shame on them | The Economist

IN THREE weeks, if there is no political deal, the American government will go into default. Not, one must pray, on its sovereign debt. But the country will have to stop paying someone: perhaps pensioners, or government suppliers, or soldiers. That would be damaging enough at a time of economic fragility. And the longer such a default went on, the greater the risk of provoking a genuine bond crisis would become.

There is no good economic reason why this should be happening. America’s net indebtedness is a perfectly affordable 65% of GDP, and throughout the past three years of recession and tepid recovery investors have been more than happy to go on lending to the federal government. The current problems, rather, are political. Under America’s elaborate separation of powers, Congress must authorise any extension of the debt ceiling, which now stands at $14.3 trillion. Back in May the government bumped up against that limit, but various accounting dodges have been used to keep funds flowing. It is now reckoned that these wheezes will be exhausted by August 2nd.

Now, however, the Republicans are pushing things too far. Talks with the administration ground to a halt last month, despite an offer from the Democrats to cut at least $2 trillion and possibly much more out of the budget over the next ten years. Assuming that the recovery continues, that would be enough to get the deficit back to a prudent level. As The Economist went to press, Mr Obama seemed set to restart the talks.

The sticking-point is not on the spending side. It is because the vast majority of Republicans, driven on by the wilder-eyed members of their party and the cacophony of conservative media, are clinging to the position that not a single cent of deficit reduction must come from a higher tax take. This is economically illiterate and disgracefully cynical.

And the closer you look, the more unprincipled the Republicans look. Earlier this year House Republicans produced a report noting that an 85%-15% split between spending cuts and tax rises was the average for successful fiscal consolidations, according to historical evidence. The White House is offering an 83%-17% split (hardly a huge distance) and a promise that none of the revenue increase will come from higher marginal rates, only from eliminating loopholes. If the Republicans were real tax reformers, they would seize this offer.

Both parties have in recent months been guilty of fiscal recklessness. Right now, though, the blame falls clearly on the Republicans. Independent voters should take note.

The article sums up the current situation quite well.

It does?



Democrats should have passed a budget when they had control of the House. Why didn't liberals produce the budget on time, which was their responsibility and what they were employed to do?

Please answer that question. Why would they not bother?


Why are liberals against continuing funding the military if there is a shutdown? Obama calls the bill introduced to pay the military a "distraction".


The House passes a bill which would fund the military through the end of the year; Barack Obama calls it a distraction « America's Watchtower


S.724: Ensuring Pay for Our Military Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

The writer of your touted article is disingenuous or ignorant on this issue.
 
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Any spending cuts will be a victory for Republicans and the Nation. In my opinion they wont be nearly enough but it's the best we can hope for at this point. The Republicans deserve praise for hanging in there and pushing for cuts. Raising the Debt Limit wont be business as usual this time. And i do give the Republicans the credit for that.
 
Pelosi has already said that the best appraoch to the election is to allow the deal to lapse, cut the payments to SS Recipients and blame the Reps. Reid refuses to allow any debate on a budget on the Floor of the Senate.

The Big 0 is saying that increasing the tax on corporate jets will solve the problem. 700 years of this deduction applied to the deficit would pay for one month of the Big 0's budgetary failures.

What can you produce to indicate that this is anything but a ruse and a swindle?

Mind giving a link to anything you just said?


HotAirPundit: Krauthammer on the Jet Tax: If It Was Collected Every Year Since John the Baptist, You Wouldn't Cut One of Obama's Deficit's By Half
KRAUTHAMMER: "I did the math on this. If you collect the corporate jet tax every year for the next 5000 years, you will cover one year of the debt Obama has run up"


EDITORIAL: Reid's budget strategy - Washington Times
For the second year in a row, Mr. Reid has failed to produce a Senate budget. That means any member may bring a plan to the floor andget it passed with 51 votes. As many as four different budgets could be considered this week: Mr. Ryan‘s; conservative plans from Sen. Patrick J. Toomey, Pennsylvania Republican, and Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican; and President Obama’s 2012 budget. The Democratic majority is expected to vote down all of them, including the White House proposal.

Nancy Pelosi Says House Dems Won’t Support Obama on Proposed Debt-Limit Entitlement Cuts | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze



On a related note, apparently flying around in expensive jets is only bad when people spend their own money. Obama and Pelosi jetting around at taxpayer expensive on taxpayer funded jets (fully equipped with expensive liquor) is perfectly copacetic.
 

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