America's Creeping Police State

[JBeukema]

The late Chalmers Johnson often reminded us that “A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can’t be both. If it sticks to imperialism, it will, like the old Roman Republic, on which so much of our system was modeled, lose its democracy to a domestic dictatorship.” His warning rings more true by the day, as Americans watch the erosion of their civil liberties accelerate in conjunction with the expansion of the US Empire.
When viewed through the lens of Johnson’s profound insights, the Supreme Court’s recent ruling in Kentucky v. King makes perfect sense. On May 13, in a lopsided 8-1 ruling, the Court upheld the warrantless search of a Kentucky man’s apartment after police smelled marijuana and feared those inside were destroying evidence, essentially granting police officers increased power to enter the homes of citizens without a warrant.

America's Creeping Police State | Civil Liberties | AlterNet

 

[sparky]

and this is where we find dueling stances all the time

being that some of us see our freedoms as an unalterable altruism, i.e.-one can't be just a little pregnant


while others would argue altrusims a self destructive futility, accepting a little corruption as modus operandi in even the most pristine of systems


the former subscribing to collectivism as the true protectorate of freedom, the latter a libertopian stance

choosin' is a b*tch , but i have more respect for those who stick to thier guns , as opposed to those who vasilate bettween the two for the sake of their own hide

~S~

 

[Vindicator]

[The late Chalmers Johnson often reminded us that “A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can’t be both.

Was Chalmers Johnson a drug pusher?

 

[sparky]

and did he eat kittens?

 

[Douger]

"Creeping"
Any faster and there would be a sonic boom !

 

[Mr. H.]

From the linked article:

The Kentucky Supreme Court had overturned the man’s conviction and ruled that exigent circumstances did not apply because the behavior of the police is what prompted the destruction of evidence.

The police were at the front door for a reason.

Civil Liberty doesn't mean we are at liberty to circumvent laws just because we can get away with it, or because we disagree with existing law.

There is no "creeping police state" in this country. There is however increasing dissatisfaction with the application of existing laws and an increasing desire to flaunt those laws by breaking them in the name of "Civil Liberty".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From the linked article:

The Kentucky Supreme Court had overturned the man’s conviction and ruled that exigent circumstances did not apply because the behavior of the police is what prompted the destruction of evidence.

The police were at the front door for a reason.

Civil Liberty doesn't mean we are at liberty to circumvent laws just because we can get away with it, or because we disagree with existing law.

There is no "creeping police state" in this country. There is however increasing dissatisfaction with the application of existing laws and an increasing desire to flaunt those laws by breaking them in the name of "Civil Liberty".

Yes it does.

 

[Mr. H.]

From the linked article:

The Kentucky Supreme Court had overturned the man’s conviction and ruled that exigent circumstances did not apply because the behavior of the police is what prompted the destruction of evidence.

The police were at the front door for a reason.

Civil Liberty doesn't mean we are at liberty to circumvent laws just because we can get away with it, or because we disagree with existing law.

There is no "creeping police state" in this country. There is however increasing dissatisfaction with the application of existing laws and an increasing desire to flaunt those laws by breaking them in the name of "Civil Liberty".

Yes it does.

There is a process by which laws are written, amended, or stricken down.
Circumventing the process through scofflaw behavior isn't part of that process.

 

[JBeukema]

From the linked article:

The Kentucky Supreme Court had overturned the man’s conviction and ruled that exigent circumstances did not apply because the behavior of the police is what prompted the destruction of evidence.

The police were at the front door for a reason.

Civil Liberty doesn't mean we are at liberty to circumvent laws just because we can get away with it, or because we disagree with existing law.

There is no "creeping police state" in this country. There is however increasing dissatisfaction with the application of existing laws and an increasing desire to flaunt those laws by breaking them in the name of "Civil Liberty".

Yes it does.

There is a process by which laws are written, amended, or stricken down.
Circumventing the process through scofflaw behavior isn't part of that process.

So... about that whole 'war for independence' thing...?

 

[Mr. H.]

Yes it does.

There is a process by which laws are written, amended, or stricken down.
Circumventing the process through scofflaw behavior isn't part of that process.

So... about that whole 'war for independence' thing...?

What about it? Wasn't that a couple of centuries ago?

 

[JBeukema]

There is a process by which laws are written, amended, or stricken down.
Circumventing the process through scofflaw behavior isn't part of that process.

So... about that whole 'war for independence' thing...?

What about it? Wasn't that a couple of centuries ago?

There is a process by which laws are written, amended, or stricken down.
Circumventing the process through scofflaw behavior isn't part of that process.

Let alone killing troops and committing terrorism...

 

[Mr. H.]

Well it's your thread but I'm not sure where you're taking it with that post.

 

[editec]

America's Creeping Police State

I've noticed that far too many police look way creepier than they did in past, too.

I presumed the growing creepiness was that parmilitary look from the riot gear they seem to love wearing.

 

[Vindicator]

More illegal aliens are getting away with crime than ever before. Where's the police STATE? I'd like to move there!!!