Americas Constitutions point towards Christianity

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    We all know that the Declaration of Independance refers to the existance of God along with its religious conotations throughout, but did you know that even many of the original Constitutional documents for the states had refferences to God and even some required one to be a Christian in order to hold office. Yep that's right, imagine that, a "secular" nation requiring you to be a Christian to hold office.

    To name a few



     
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    I think these are unconstitutional state laws, and Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the DoI, was agnostic to the point of writing his own bible.
     
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    WOW I did not know that!

    Times they are a changing.

    I think what's sad is, our nation clearly was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and it's changed over the years. But our current generations don't know what it's like to live under tyranny, so we don't appreciate it as we should. And once we lose it and become something else, as a nation we'll appreciate it then, but I fear it will be too late.
     
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    I just saw a special on Adams by Hallmark. They must have depicted Jefferson wrongly then.

    He did have some good quotes though:

    Here are just a few. Feel free to add more!

    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big
    enough to take away everything you have" -Thomas Jefferson

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
    Thomas Jefferson

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."-Thomas Jefferson
     
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    These are not laws these are portions of the state constitutions. How can a constitution be unconstitutional?
     
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    If the point of the thread is to state by inference via the material provided, that we are a Christian Nation, that is not true. We are not a Christian Nation. We are a nation that has many Christians in it. There is a big difference between the two.

    Many of our founding fathers had a belief in God, whatever that was for them. However, that does not change the fact that from a Constitution standpoint, we are not a Christian Nation.
     
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    I don't think you truly understand what you posted in the opening post. Articles within the respective state constitutions are law. Whether or not said laws are still on the books and enforced, is another matter.
     
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    "He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falsehood of tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions." ~ T. Jefferson (Letter to Peter Carr, 1785)
     
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    But we are a nation of faith. And somehow only an extremely small minority of atheists seems to be able to strip our government from acknowledging that.
     
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    1) These were written before the Constitution was written and ratified.

    2) The First Amendment applies to the Congress, not the individual states.

    So, to sum it up, there were official state religions amongst the individual states before and after the ratification of the Constitution of the United States. Such laws were not 'unconstitutional.'
     

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