Americans still blame Bush for their economic woes

[Harry Dresden]

Almost 100 percent of the time a new President gets 8 months to make excuses. This fucker gets 21.

He never the type to man up and stand on his own record. He'll use Bush as an excuse as long as anyone is stupid enough to go along with it. So he has no reason to even attempt to fix anything.

Lets face it folks. This guy doesn't know what he's doing. He's a total cluster. The only other possibility is that he wanted things to get worse....which explains why he's partying his ass off instead of knuckling down and getting to work. Instead he talks about Gays, education, Health Care....anything but jobs. Well folks.....it's all about jobs, jobs, jobs.

its called leadership.....unfortunately this President is a piss poor Leader.....and right now this Country NEEDS a good solid leader.....and the bad news is.....there are none in sight....

 

[FlyingReganite]

Bush never had hope and change.

Obama gots thuh hope and change.

 

[MikeK]

They are OWNED by their corporate masters and will never cut the chains , they polish the chains and think they are gifts of jewelry.

and so is the Democratic party.....all those billions of dollars were given to the people who were up to their eyeballs in this shit.....so lets give them more......the money, OUR money, should have been given back to us to stimulate this Economy.....tell me if giving 30-40 thousand dollars to family would not have helped people laid off,behind on their bills....and to those who were not....they could have gone out and bought a new car,a major appliance....put it in their savings.....either way Millions would have gone to the banks and the Corporations that got this money in the first place,but before they got it.....WE THE TAXPAYERS would have had some relief.....maybe thousands of homeowners would have saved their houses.....paid medical bills....but we would have stimulated this economy and paid down some bills.....but of course to the Govts way of thinking ....only they know how to spend our money.....not us....end of rant.....

If there is an argument to that reasoning I don't know what it is. So I must agree with your premise. If enough Democrats in the Congress had put up a vigorous fight it's possible that the bailout money would have gone to the People. It's also possible that the outcome would have been as you've said.

I believe the outcome of the economic crisis was carefully planned to avoid a total collapse but to maintain a tight grip on the status quo, which intends for a gradual decline of the middle class. If the system is allowed to rapidly deteriorate to a level at which the conflict between left and right becomes irrelevant and the two factions merge in solidarity the outcome could very well be a violent revolution. So the process of transforming America into a two class society must take place incrementally.

Is there anyone participating in this forum who does not know how to boil a frog?

 

[Sallow]

When things are fucked up its important to KNOW how they got fucked up so you can change what needs to be changed.

The right just wants no one to be reminded that THEY FCUKED IT UP.


Its the ideas of the right that fucked everything up.

then explain California to me Einstein......this State for the past 25 years has had a Democratic Majority in its Citizens who vote and has had a Democratic majority in its Legislature.....and dont give me the Governor shit....no matter who is Governor this State has been going downhill......the Governor doesn't make up the bills being passed....the Legislature does.....and most of the Governors of the last 20 years just talk tough but basically let the Legislature walk all over them....this State is called UN-Governable for a reason....the Republican Minority that this State has sucks too....like David Drier...a two-faced bastard...but they are not in charge.....the Dems are....and your the one defending them.....so lets hear it.....

California's problems are more the result of "Direct Democracy". This is what happens when people with little grasp about how things really work put up "propositions". This is also the result of the "Three Strike Rule". California spends an enormous amount on their prisons.

 

[Ame®icano]

Seems like it wasn't all Bush fault.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3Z2Z2WMJk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3Z2Z2WMJk[/ame]

 

[Harry Dresden]

California's problems are more the result of "Direct Democracy". This is what happens when people with little grasp about how things really work put up "propositions". This is also the result of the "Three Strike Rule". California spends an enormous amount on their prisons.

and might i ask ....who those people are?......there is a good chance they are people on the left....and dont forget the Legislature has put up Props also....California's problems are the direct results of ONE party doing the steering.....there is next to no balance in this State.....good intended programs to help people that go out of control,and no one willing to step up and either stop it or at least scale it back.....Entitlements gone wild.....California should be an example of what happens when one party gets to pull the strings for far to long......this Country and California have always worked better when things are basically EVEN....

 

[snjmom]

President Clinton's Working Group on Financial Markets: Larry Summers, Alan Greenspan, Arthur Levitt, and Robert Rubin

This is true. Unfortunately, everyone trusted the Lord God Greenspan, who also clung to his ideology in the face of the reality of Barings, LTCM, et al.

 

[Toro]

Poll: George W. Bush still gets blamed for economic woes - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday, more than a third of those surveyed said George W. Bush deserved a great deal of the blame for economic woes and a third said he should get a moderate amount of it. Not quite another third called that unfair, saying Bush warranted not much or none of the responsibility.

The 71% saying Bush should get blamed was a modest decline from the 80% who felt that way about a year ago, in July 2009.

What about President Obama?

In the July 2009 poll, a third, 32%, said he should shoulder a great deal or moderate amount of the blame

It is unfortunate that people want to finger politicians for the economy because much of the economy has little to do with politics outside the normal course of society. However, though it is correct to say that Obama has little to do with the current economic condition, except to increase uncertainty in the economy with all the new laws, it doesn't really matter a whole lot that people blame Bush more than Obama. Obama wanted the job. What matters is how he responds to it. And for the most part, people aren't impressed with the job he is doing.

 

[mudwhistle]

8 months to make excuses or 8 months to pull america out of a depression? You fuckers always like to move the goalposts

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

 

[snjmom]

8 months to make excuses or 8 months to pull america out of a depression? You fuckers always like to move the goalposts

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

So, you can't see the disaster that was averted? I have to say, I prefer bankruptcy than the complete disposal of assets and global depression that was our other option. Depressions cause a shitload of wars.

 

[uscitizen]

Seems like it wasn't all Bush fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3Z2Z2WMJk

so it would not depend on his definition of wrong?

And yes basically all of govt for the last 50 years aor so is responsible for out current mess.

But even more responsible for it all is US.

 

[Ame®icano]

Seems like it wasn't all Bush fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3Z2Z2WMJk

so it would not depend on his definition of wrong?

And yes basically all of govt for the last 50 years aor so is responsible for out current mess.

But even more responsible for it all is US.

All the govt? I would say part of the govt that wants socialism and redistribution of wealth.

Btw, clarify "US".

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

8 months to make excuses or 8 months to pull america out of a depression? You fuckers always like to move the goalposts

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

Awesome.

 

[Samson]

8 months to make excuses or 8 months to pull america out of a depression? You fuckers always like to move the goalposts

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

Now, now.....that is just a tad dramatic.....he's also made a few speeches, accusing Republicans of Fear Mongering.

 

[mudwhistle]

When things are fucked up its important to KNOW how they got fucked up so you can change what needs to be changed.

The right just wants no one to be reminded that THEY FCUKED IT UP.


Its the ideas of the right that fucked everything up.

then explain California to me Einstein......this State for the past 25 years has had a Democratic Majority in its Citizens who vote and has had a Democratic majority in its Legislature.....and dont give me the Governor shit....no matter who is Governor this State has been going downhill......the Governor doesn't make up the bills being passed....the Legislature does.....and most of the Governors of the last 20 years just talk tough but basically let the Legislature walk all over them....this State is called UN-Governable for a reason....the Republican Minority that this State has sucks too....like David Drier...a two-faced bastard...but they are not in charge.....the Dems are....and your the one defending them.....so lets hear it.....

California's problems are more the result of "Direct Democracy". This is what happens when people with little grasp about how things really work put up "propositions". This is also the result of the "Three Strike Rule". California spends an enormous amount on their prisons.

California is broke because they have had an influx of illegals sucking up all of their cash. Their taxes keep going up....their jobs keep leaving...and their pay never goes up because many employers just hire illegals or use illegals as a tool to keep wages down.

 

[Annie]

Even Milton Friedman himself would tell you that Hoover's initial response was to try to balance the budget. Anything he did that remotely resembles FDR did not take place until much later, under tremendous pressure from economists the world over telling him his approach was making the problem worse.

In Hoover's defense, he really had no other established recourse to the situation; Keynes' philosophies were still in their infancy, and a crisis of this magnitude had never before been seen.

Keep in mind further that our deficits today are much lower as a percentage of GDP than they were in the WWII years. We got out of it just fine; Not by gutting the government and throwing consumers to the wolves, like I hear around here so much; But by investing in our infrastructure and growing out of the problem.

What did Hoover do, with the two years he had the problem? That is what I was asking, like I said, it certainly wasn't all about balancing a budget, as it wasn't.

Ok, it wasn't "All about" balancing a budget. It was a refusal to bring deficit spending to the table; Deficit spending that was desperately needed at that point in time. He was all about what he called Volunteerism- Predominantly asking more powerful financial institutions to prop up less powerful ones, and urging private and public entities not to lay off workers or cut wages.

It wasn't until 1932 - In the full throws of global depression and 24% unemployment - That he initiated deficit-funded public works projects. That's the only thing he did (Shortly before his loss to FDR) that remotely resembles FDR's approach.

It was not 'the only thing he did.' Indeed there were several others cited by the other link, here's another.

What all of these and FDR's attempts, and now Bush/Obama's have shown is that the government's attempts to fool with the marketplace has yet to work out well for the citizens. Spending isn't the answer. Tariffs are not the answer. Propping up wages/prices are not the answer. Just get out of it, with the caveat of the banks failing, that seems to have been necessary in '33 and again in 2008/09.

Hoover's pro-labor stance helped cause Great Depression, UCLA economist says / UCLA Newsroom

 

[uscitizen]

Seems like it wasn't all Bush fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3Z2Z2WMJk

so it would not depend on his definition of wrong?

And yes basically all of govt for the last 50 years aor so is responsible for out current mess.

But even more responsible for it all is US.

All the govt? I would say part of the govt that wants socialism and redistribution of wealth.

Btw, clarify "US".

Basically all the govt.
Welfare corporate welfare, bailouts, etc all the same just different recipeints.
Spend more than we have on social programs? On wars?

And is is obviously the majority of the voting or eligable to vote Americans.
Plus our spending spree of our money and credit on status.
Our lack of vision of the consequences of our actions.

 

[mudwhistle]

8 months to make excuses or 8 months to pull america out of a depression? You fuckers always like to move the goalposts

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

So, you can't see the disaster that was averted? I have to say, I prefer bankruptcy than the complete disposal of assets and global depression that was our other option. Depressions cause a shitload of wars.

Bankruptcy will cause a depression. I suppose living on the street suits you...because that's what we're all headed for.

Depression doesn't cause wars. Despotic regimes do. You know...evil leaders that cause hardship for their people then blame it all on a strawman.

 

[ClosedCaption]

8 months till your programs....your leadership skills...start to make a difference. We're coming up on two years and all we've done is get worse. And in the process we've seen this prick spend us into bankruptcy. All he does is blame someone else. All he does is cause trouble. All he does is start shit then step away once everything goes to hell...then all he does is play golf friggen like he hasn't have a care in the world.

So, you can't see the disaster that was averted? I have to say, I prefer bankruptcy than the complete disposal of assets and global depression that was our other option. Depressions cause a shitload of wars.

Bankruptcy will cause a depression. I suppose living on the street suits you...because that's what we're all headed for.

Depression doesn't cause wars. Despotic regimes do. You know...evil leaders that cause hardship for their people then blame it all on a strawman.

The sky is falling!

 

[beowolfe]

Obama has helped the economy with the stimulus.

This is proven fact.

Bush gave us this and did nothing to ward off the mess.


No one will EVER forget Bush standing in front of the nation looking scared and announcing the bailout of the banks.

Don't forget. The TARP was Bush's. Give credit where credit is due.