Americans' Global Warming Concerns Continue to Drop

there is nothing to wave, in science the data continue to come in, so I'll wait and see what happens the data shows, not what non-scientists opinions on the matter.

I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

like you know what using your brain is, cause if you did you would know that being educated on the matter and highly trained puts you in a better position to use your brain and be correct about it. Sad I have to explain that to you, yet you act like you are so smart
 
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Many of the "scientists" the IPCC claimed as part of their vast consensus were political scientists, sociologists and from other soft disciplines (including government bureaucrats). Calling it Science is a complete misnomer.

Really? Link, please.

Where the science is really lacking, or completely lied about is in the denialists diatribes.

Once again, every Scientific Society in the world states that global warming is happening, and all but one, state that the primary cause of that warming is the burning of fossil fuels.
Every National Academy of Sciences of the industrial nations state that the warming is happening, and that the cause is the burning of fossil fuels. As does every major University in the world.


Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joint science academies' statements
Since 2001, 32 national science academies have come together to issue joint declarations confirming anthropogenic global warming, and urging the nations of the world to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. The signatories of these statements have been the national science academies:

Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

Woods Hole Research Center
"We may recall the extensive and incredibly successful campaign of the American tobacco companies to conceal the link between cancer and the use of tobacco products. For decades, they knew the reality of the addictive nature of nicotine and the carcinogenic effects of tobacco use. For decades, they successfully kept that reality hidden from the American public. The oil, coal, gas, and mining industries stand to lose tremendously if the truth about global warming becomes accepted by American society. As the tobacco industry invested millions in keeping its deadly secret, so also have the oil, coal, gas, and mining industries attempted to hide and discredit the link between CO2 emissions and a warming earth."1

The note from the famous Woods Hole Research Center points out a very important fact. The very same people recruited by the Tobacco companies now prostituted their degrees for the energy companies.

Lindzen, Singer, Sietz are all whores.

By 2012, there is going to be a very differant outlook concerning global warming. And the people that have used brainless derision, no evidence talking points will be remembered like those espousing WMD in Iraq.
 
there is nothing to wave, in science the data continue to come in, so I'll wait and see what happens the data shows, not what non-scientists opinions on the matter.

I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

Evidence, you silly ass.
 
there is nothing to wave, in science the data continue to come in, so I'll wait and see what happens the data shows, not what non-scientists opinions on the matter.

I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

like you know what using your brain is, cause if you did you would know that being educated on the matter and highly trained puts you in a better position to use your brain and be correct about it. Sad I have to explain that to you, yet you act like you are so smart

In other words, there is nothing that would convince you.

Temp goes up - Global warming
Temp goes down - global warming
More snow - global warming
Less Snow - global warming
More hurricanes - global warming
Less hurricanes - global warming
More earthquakes - global warming
Less earthquakes - global warming.

Yet, you dont question it at all. The so-called solutions to global warming are the same socialist regulations the left has been trying to force on people for years, that the people rejected. You dont think it's a mighty fine coincidence that the solutions to global warming are the same exact policies???

But, of course, I don't think. Cause I dont agree with you.
 
there is nothing to wave, in science the data continue to come in, so I'll wait and see what happens the data shows, not what non-scientists opinions on the matter.

I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

Evidence, you silly ass.

And how much evidence do you need to see the freaking obvious? It doesnt matter what the weather does, you use it as evidence for global warming. So what evidence is going to disprove it?

From what I can tell, none.
 
So, a concentrated advertising campaign by corporate interests and the politicians they hold in their pocket has temporarily swayed public opinion.
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Yeah it had nothing to do with the falsified data. It's those evil corporations that fudged the numbers or some big NYC advertising agency that misrepresented the glacier's melting.

Facts are facts and some in the scientific community brought this on themselves. I know corporate America is an easy target for liberals, but the cause of the doubt in people's minds did not come from there.
 
I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

like you know what using your brain is, cause if you did you would know that being educated on the matter and highly trained puts you in a better position to use your brain and be correct about it. Sad I have to explain that to you, yet you act like you are so smart

In other words, there is nothing that would convince you.

Temp goes up - Global warming
Temp goes down - global warming
More snow - global warming
Less Snow - global warming
More hurricanes - global warming
Less hurricanes - global warming
More earthquakes - global warming
Less earthquakes - global warming.

Yet, you dont question it at all. The so-called solutions to global warming are the same socialist regulations the left has been trying to force on people for years, that the people rejected. You dont think it's a mighty fine coincidence that the solutions to global warming are the same exact policies???

But, of course, I don't think. Cause I dont agree with you.

OK... could you please source where anyone said 1. "Less Hurricanes" or 2. anything related to earthquakes had anything to do with global warming?
 
"Not Agreeing" that global warming is real is not noble. It's actually quite obnoxious.

OK, would you agree that there's a "Debate" about the moon landing? After all, there are some people who will swear up an down it never happened. They'll have evidence prepared, explanations, and explanations for the explanations that disprove their explanations. Is that what we call a "Debate?"

Of course not. Some people dedicate their lives to disproving the moon landing, but we don't afford them equal time in every instance where the moon landing is discussed. But for some reason, we do with the global warming deniers.

97% of climatologists agree that human activity played a role in global warming, and virtually all climatologists agree that the climate has warmed since industrialization.

There is no real "Debate," any more than there's a debate about the moon landing, that 9/11 was in inside job, or whether or not the holocaust actually took place.

Get over it.
 
I was unaware you had to be employed as a scientist to use your brain. Silly me.

Exactly what would it take for you to believe that no global warming was occuring?

like you know what using your brain is, cause if you did you would know that being educated on the matter and highly trained puts you in a better position to use your brain and be correct about it. Sad I have to explain that to you, yet you act like you are so smart

In other words, there is nothing that would convince you.

Temp goes up - Global warming
Temp goes down - global warming
More snow - global warming
Less Snow - global warming
More hurricanes - global warming
Less hurricanes - global warming
More earthquakes - global warming
Less earthquakes - global warming.

Yet, you dont question it at all. The so-called solutions to global warming are the same socialist regulations the left has been trying to force on people for years, that the people rejected. You dont think it's a mighty fine coincidence that the solutions to global warming are the same exact policies???

But, of course, I don't think. Cause I dont agree with you.

Nope, there's nothing that will convince you. I've already stated that data will convince me. In this thread I was pointing out how calling it a myth was just completely stupid. I never claimed it was set in stone that it was indeed human caused global warming, but the warming part is factual. manmade or not may be at question, but sound scientific reasoning supports that it is.

You say you use your brain, and this is your response? :lol: Claiming you dont' need to be educated in science, especially the specific topic at hand, to give a well informed opinion. You are just totally discredited here. But its pretty obvious from other postings.

Perfect example of the idiotic, hackish, troll type posters that I speak of. If that isn't blaring in this case, I don't know what is
 
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Nope, there's nothing that will convince you. I've already stated that data will convince me. In this thread I was pointing out how calling it a myth was just completely stupid. I never claimed it was set in stone that it was indeed human caused global warming, but the warming part is factual. manmade or not may be at question, but sound scientific reasoning supports that it is.

You say you use your brain, and this is your response? :lol: Claiming you dont' need to be educated in science, especially the specific topic at hand, to give a well informed opinion. You are just totally discredited here. But its pretty obvious from other postings.

Perfect example of the idiotic, hackish, troll type posters that I speak of. If that isn't blaring in this case, I don't know what is

Data will convince you? What data? Is this such a difficult question? Or do you just like ignoring facts.

You cant keep claiming contradictory claims all prove global warming and convince people that you know what you are talking about.

And no, you dont need a degree in science to understand the scientific method or evaluate facts.

So once again, what kind of data would convince global warming isnt happening? Because it sure isnt global tempature data.
 
Nope, there's nothing that will convince you. I've already stated that data will convince me. In this thread I was pointing out how calling it a myth was just completely stupid. I never claimed it was set in stone that it was indeed human caused global warming, but the warming part is factual. manmade or not may be at question, but sound scientific reasoning supports that it is.

You say you use your brain, and this is your response? :lol: Claiming you dont' need to be educated in science, especially the specific topic at hand, to give a well informed opinion. You are just totally discredited here. But its pretty obvious from other postings.

Perfect example of the idiotic, hackish, troll type posters that I speak of. If that isn't blaring in this case, I don't know what is

Data will convince you? What data? Is this such a difficult question? Or do you just like ignoring facts.

You cant keep claiming contradictory claims all prove global warming and convince people that you know what you are talking about.

And no, you dont need a degree in science to understand the scientific method or evaluate facts.

So once again, what kind of data would convince global warming isnt happening? Because it sure isnt global tempature data.

Just what do you mean, it isn't global temperature data?

We just finished the warmest decade on record. The second warmest decade was the 1990's, the third warmest, the 1980's. And this decade is going to be even warmer.

The North Polar Cap is melting far faster than anyone predicted. Both on land ice caps, Greenland and Antarctica, are losing ice by the giga-ton, at an accelerating rate.

Alpine glaciers are retreating at an accelertating rate, and in many areas, are already gone.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

Although each of the proxy temperature records shown below is different, due in part to the diverse statistical methods utilized and sources of the proxy data, they all indicate similar patterns of temperature variability over the last 500 to 2000 years. Most striking is the fact that each record reveals a steep increase in the rate or spatial extent of warming since the mid-19th to early 20th centuries. When compared to the most recent decades of the instrumental record, they indicate the temperatures of the most recent decades are the warmest in the entire record. In addition, warmer than average temperatures are more widespread over the Northern Hemisphere in the 20th century than in any previous time.

The similarity of characteristics among the different paleoclimatic reconstructions provides confidence in the following important conclusions:
Dramatic warming has occurred since the 19th century.
The recent record warm temperatures in the last 15 years are indeed the warmest temperatures the Earth has seen in at least the last 1000 years, and possibly in the last 2000 years.
 
like you know what using your brain is, cause if you did you would know that being educated on the matter and highly trained puts you in a better position to use your brain and be correct about it. Sad I have to explain that to you, yet you act like you are so smart

In other words, there is nothing that would convince you.

Temp goes up - Global warming
Temp goes down - global warming
More snow - global warming
Less Snow - global warming
More hurricanes - global warming
Less hurricanes - global warming
More earthquakes - global warming
Less earthquakes - global warming.

Yet, you dont question it at all. The so-called solutions to global warming are the same socialist regulations the left has been trying to force on people for years, that the people rejected. You dont think it's a mighty fine coincidence that the solutions to global warming are the same exact policies???

But, of course, I don't think. Cause I dont agree with you.

Nope, there's nothing that will convince you. I've already stated that data will convince me. In this thread I was pointing out how calling it a myth was just completely stupid. I never claimed it was set in stone that it was indeed human caused global warming, but the warming part is factual. manmade or not may be at question, but sound scientific reasoning supports that it is.

You say you use your brain, and this is your response? :lol: Claiming you dont' need to be educated in science, especially the specific topic at hand, to give a well informed opinion. You are just totally discredited here. But its pretty obvious from other postings.

Perfect example of the idiotic, hackish, troll type posters that I speak of. If that isn't blaring in this case, I don't know what is

You don't have to say you believe it is caused by man. It is completely obvious that you do, as you are focused on CO2 which your scientists claim is produced by man. Frankly, you are either very uneducated, mentally challenged and/or just one more hack on this board.
 
I'd love to see what fields these scientists are in, and how many are actually climatologist familiar in the field.

Plus, even if the consensus changes over time, and more evidence shows its not caused by man, that doesn't mean it was a liberal leftist myth, like so many science haters often say.

Just throw up a white flag, I won't shoot.

there is nothing to wave, in science the data continue to come in, so I'll wait and see what happens the data shows, not what non-scientists opinions on the matter.

Like the famed Hockeystick chart?


:lol:
 
Many of the "scientists" the IPCC claimed as part of their vast consensus were political scientists, sociologists and from other soft disciplines (including government bureaucrats). Calling it Science is a complete misnomer.

Really? Link, please.

Where the science is really lacking, or completely lied about is in the denialists diatribes.

Once again, every Scientific Society in the world states that global warming is happening, and all but one, state that the primary cause of that warming is the burning of fossil fuels.
Every National Academy of Sciences of the industrial nations state that the warming is happening, and that the cause is the burning of fossil fuels. As does every major University in the world.


Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joint science academies' statements
Since 2001, 32 national science academies have come together to issue joint declarations confirming anthropogenic global warming, and urging the nations of the world to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. The signatories of these statements have been the national science academies:

Logicalscience.com - The Consensus On Global Warming/Climate Change: From Science to Industry & Religion

Woods Hole Research Center
"We may recall the extensive and incredibly successful campaign of the American tobacco companies to conceal the link between cancer and the use of tobacco products. For decades, they knew the reality of the addictive nature of nicotine and the carcinogenic effects of tobacco use. For decades, they successfully kept that reality hidden from the American public. The oil, coal, gas, and mining industries stand to lose tremendously if the truth about global warming becomes accepted by American society. As the tobacco industry invested millions in keeping its deadly secret, so also have the oil, coal, gas, and mining industries attempted to hide and discredit the link between CO2 emissions and a warming earth."1

The note from the famous Woods Hole Research Center points out a very important fact. The very same people recruited by the Tobacco companies now prostituted their degrees for the energy companies.

Lindzen, Singer, Sietz are all whores.

By 2012, there is going to be a very differant outlook concerning global warming. And the people that have used brainless derision, no evidence talking points will be remembered like those espousing WMD in Iraq.

Keep your fake wiki global warming articles. :eusa_whistle:
Lawrence Solomon: Wikipedia?s climate doctor - FP Comment

:rolleyes:
 
I am begining to question scientists in general. We are told mamograms are important, then not so important. This study refutes that study. Makes you wonder how good the research is today.

The basic data on temperatures over the last 40 years has been lost for the most part. So how are scientists able to believe in warming with no raw data to work from? How can they look past empirical evidence without investigating more?

The biggest threat from a global warming world would be flooding of coastal areas. Not happening to date. Very hard to believe a science that can't make accurate predictions.
 
Just what do you mean, it isn't global temperature data?

We just finished the warmest decade on record. The second warmest decade was the 1990's, the third warmest, the 1980's. And this decade is going to be even warmer.

You do realize the tempature has been going down since 1998. That is why the envir. wackos are trying to change the name of global warming to "climate change" and why they are arguing that global warming is going to make us colder.

The North Polar Cap is melting far faster than anyone predicted. Both on land ice caps, Greenland and Antarctica, are losing ice by the giga-ton, at an accelerating rate.

Shock of it all. Ice melting in the Summer. You do realize that it ices back up in the winter right?

Alpine glaciers are retreating at an accelertating rate, and in many areas, are already gone.

Of course, which is why they are manufacturing data in that department.


Although each of the proxy temperature records shown below is different, due in part to the diverse statistical methods utilized and sources of the proxy data, they all indicate similar patterns of temperature variability over the last 500 to 2000 years. Most striking is the fact that each record reveals a steep increase in the rate or spatial extent of warming since the mid-19th to early 20th centuries. When compared to the most recent decades of the instrumental record, they indicate the temperatures of the most recent decades are the warmest in the entire record. In addition, warmer than average temperatures are more widespread over the Northern Hemisphere in the 20th century than in any previous time.

The tempature has gone up and down multiple times in the past 200 years. Before then, no one knows for sure because they weren't taking tempatures. However, there is significant evidence that things were much warmer 500 years ago than today.

The similarity of characteristics among the different paleoclimatic reconstructions provides confidence in the following important conclusions:
Dramatic warming has occurred since the 19th century.
The recent record warm temperatures in the last 15 years are indeed the warmest temperatures the Earth has seen in at least the last 1000 years, and possibly in the last 2000 years.

Except the actual tempatures show it's getting colder.
 
You don't have to say you believe it is caused by man. It is completely obvious that you do, as you are focused on CO2 which your scientists claim is produced by man. Frankly, you are either very uneducated, mentally challenged and/or just one more hack on this board.

Well, here's a question.

What if your hunch that Scientists all around the world are part of some giant conspiracy to rip you off is wrong?

I mean, sure, the chances of such a sound conspiracy theory as yours (*cough* *cough* *Bullshit*) being wrong are [/sarcasm] extraordinarily small [/], but what if you're wrong and all those crazy-assed science-types have something there?

That means you and your anti-science buddies will literally be responsible for murdering tens of millions of individuals (due to the effects Global Warming is bound to produce), by continuing to defend current pollution levels.

So, if say 20 years down the line, it turns out that you were in fact wrong in your conspiracy theories, would that mean that you should all be rounded up and shot?
 
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