Americans. Are you proud of your history?

[Billy_Kinetta]

I'm tasked with developing courses in American History, World Cultures and Government. I'm going to tell the good and the bad. We are special for what we aspire to and shitheads for what we sometimes allow ourselves to do. How to do research and sifting fact from bias will be the most important things I teach, much more than the year Eli Whitney patented the cotton gin.

A lot of the past can't be judged by today's standards. It just isn't the same world. If you do that, you are doing a huge disservice to your students. You can consider a practice wrong today, but in context of the people and times accepted then.

That's not how I teach. I lay out the facts and then if they want, we have a conversation about it.

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

 

[Nosmo King]

i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

My primary regret is that somehow America managed over its short period of existence to produce a sizable number of morons diametrically opposed to the foundational principles upon which the nation was founded.

One would normally consider that such a force would be foreign in origin. Perhaps Lincoln was a little hasty in "binding up the nation's wounds" in 1865. The descendants of those Democrats are about to light the fires again.

Perhaps you have forgotten the contentious debate and argument the constitution required in order to be upheld, respected and revered. Even the Bill of Rights was wrought from heated debate.

If you do the math, it takes more than one point of view, one idea, and ultimately one voice. That's unacceptable.

Indeed. All true. But those decisions were made and codified. Any changes require amendments reached through the mandated process, not political opinion or judicial fiat.

As it has been done before.

Granted there has been extra constitutional behavior of late. The only amendment in the pipeline is the ERA.

 

[dannyboys]

Dude, I think every civilization has their ups and downs when it comes to their history. Should current citizens be judged on them? Fuck no.

As for feeling pride? People should feel proud about THEIR accomplishments. If you feel pride about the USA's contributions in WWII and you weren't a part of it? Then you have no right to feel pride. That's like feeling pride about how your uncle won the lottery. You didn't accomplish or participate in shit, but you're feeling pride because of a connection? Ridiculous. Yes, the USA was badass during WWII, but if you didn't do shit, you shouldn't feel pride about it. So yea, I'm willing to call out anyone that wants to feel pride about our country's history if they didn't actually do shit towards that part of our history.


However, I can understand feeling pride for BEING American -- That's a choice, along with any other nationality.

I always take exception to the claim many Americans make about "the US winning the war".
Yes America had a major role but many other countries sent a generation to fight and die for Western values......warts and all.
The reason America was 'late to the party' was a majority of Americans did not want the US to get involved.
When Hitler started sinking American supply/passenger ships was when the President could go to the Congress and get the support to declare war on Germany.

 

[OldLady]

I'm tasked with developing courses in American History, World Cultures and Government. I'm going to tell the good and the bad. We are special for what we aspire to and shitheads for what we sometimes allow ourselves to do. How to do research and sifting fact from bias will be the most important things I teach, much more than the year Eli Whitney patented the cotton gin.

A lot of the past can't be judged by today's standards. It just isn't the same world. If you do that, you are doing a huge disservice to your students. You can consider a practice wrong today, but in context of the people and times accepted then.

That's not how I teach. I lay out the facts and then if they want, we have a conversation about it.

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

 

[OldLady]

Dude, I think every civilization has their ups and downs when it comes to their history. Should current citizens be judged on them? Fuck no.

As for feeling pride? People should feel proud about THEIR accomplishments. If you feel pride about the USA's contributions in WWII and you weren't a part of it? Then you have no right to feel pride. That's like feeling pride about how your uncle won the lottery. You didn't accomplish or participate in shit, but you're feeling pride because of a connection? Ridiculous. Yes, the USA was badass during WWII, but if you didn't do shit, you shouldn't feel pride about it. So yea, I'm willing to call out anyone that wants to feel pride about our country's history if they didn't actually do shit towards that part of our history.


However, I can understand feeling pride for BEING American -- That's a choice, along with any other nationality.

I always take exception to the claim many Americans make about "the US winning the war".
Yes America had a major role but many other countries sent a generation to fight and die for Western values......warts and all.
The reason America was 'late to the party' was a majority of Americans did not want the US to get involved.
When Hitler started sinking American supply/passenger ships was when the President could go to the Congress and get the support to declare war on Germany.

? The Congress ignored the sinking of American supply/passenger ships. The US declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor. Germany, who was Japan's ally, then declared war on us.

 

[Marion Morrison]

When you use the term, "make excuses" you are showing your bias in judging people for the past using your current feelings.

No, Pilot. I am judging YOU. Now fuck off. I know how to teach.

Oh?
Simplify 7(3x - (3 - 2y + 6x) + 3y)



Problem 2

 

[OldLady]

When you use the term, "make excuses" you are showing your bias in judging people for the past using your current feelings.

No, Pilot. I am judging YOU. Now fuck off. I know how to teach.

Oh?
Simplify 7(3x - (3 - 2y + 6x) + 3y)



Problem 2

Since when does teaching Social Studies require algebra?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

A lot of the past can't be judged by today's standards. It just isn't the same world. If you do that, you are doing a huge disservice to your students. You can consider a practice wrong today, but in context of the people and times accepted then.

That's not how I teach. I lay out the facts and then if they want, we have a conversation about it.

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

 

[bodecea]

i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

I am proud to be an American...I am proud of much of our history, and I am proud when we as a nation admit we are not perfect and try to correct our less stellar moments......for example acknowledging how wrong we were putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during WWII.

 

[bodecea]

Show me the man today that has the courage or resourcefulness of a Daniel Boone or Kit Carson. There are no more men with the abilities of a Lewis Wetzel. Tough men. Men that could build a great nation. Now we have pajama boys who worry about how toxic their masculinity is.

I don't think that the Navahos would be so thrilled about being proud of Kit Carson.......

 

[Marion Morrison]

When you use the term, "make excuses" you are showing your bias in judging people for the past using your current feelings.

No, Pilot. I am judging YOU. Now fuck off. I know how to teach.

Oh?
Simplify 7(3x - (3 - 2y + 6x) + 3y)



Problem 2

Since when does teaching Social Studies require algebra?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm tasked with developing courses in American History, World Cultures and Government. I'm going to tell the good and the bad. We are special for what we aspire to and shitheads for what we sometimes allow ourselves to do. How to do research and sifting fact from bias will be the most important things I teach, much more than the year Eli Whitney patented the cotton gin.

A lot of the past can't be judged by today's standards. It just isn't the same world. If you do that, you are doing a huge disservice to your students. You can consider a practice wrong today, but in context of the people and times accepted then.

That's not how I teach. I lay out the facts and then if they want, we have a conversation about it.

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

An interesting fact is that the Democrats have always stood for both slavery........and socialism.



George Fitzhugh (November 4, 1806 – July 30, 1881) was the Democrat social theorist who published racial and slavery-based sociological theories in the antebellum era.



" What society needed was slavery, not just for blacks, but for whites as well. "Slavery," "is a form, and the very best form, of socialism."

"Socialism," Proposes to do away with free competition; to afford protection and support at all times to the laboring class; to bring about, at least, a qualified community of property, and to associate labor. All these purposes, slavery fully land perfectly attains. [...] Socialism is already slavery in all save the master... Our only quarrel with Socialism is, that it will not honestly admit that it owes its recent revival to the failure of universal liberty, and is seeking to bring about slavery again in some form.”
Fitzhugh, George (1854 Sociology for the South, p. 48)


The two hallmarks of the Democrat Party......socialism, and slavery.


Southern Democrat theoretician George Fitzhugh made an interesting admission about two related desires of the Democrats: Slavery and Socialism.



" What society needed was slavery, not just for blacks, but for whites as well. "Slavery," "is a form, and the very best form, of socialism."

"Socialism," Proposes to do away with free competition; to afford protection and support at all times to the laboring class; to bring about, at least, a qualified community of property, and to associate labor. All these purposes, slavery fully land perfectly attains. [...] Socialism is already slavery in all save the master... Our only quarrel with Socialism is, that it will not honestly admit that it owes its recent revival to the failure of universal liberty, and is seeking to bring about slavery again in some form.” Fitzhugh, George (1854Sociology for the South, p. 48)


And, they remain, the party of slavery and of socialism.

 

[OldLady]

That's not how I teach. I lay out the facts and then if they want, we have a conversation about it.

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

LOL I'm glad YOU are not a teacher.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

i mean every bit of it. What historic blunders do you regret? What historic achievement are you most proud of as an American?

I'm ashamed that we ever imported a single African for starters.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

LOL I'm glad YOU are not a teacher.

Why would I be? No respect, no authority, and no money in it. These days it's a babysitting job with some mandatory indoctrination sessions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Im i supposed to show remorse for slavery or wiping out and resettling the red drunk savages ?

wasnt me

we'll sell ya back the Louisiana purchase we got from the frogs for 50% above current market value and a 199 year 25% royalty on all natural recourses sold in/from the territory

cash only
most lefttards are broke broken down valise's

Yes, most conservatives are truly this stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

LOL I'm glad YOU are not a teacher.

Why would I be? No respect, no authority, and no money in it. These days it's a babysitting job with some mandatory indoctrination sessions.

....and the requirement that one indoctrinate the young.



"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events



Used to be a real profession.....

 

[OldLady]

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

LOL I'm glad YOU are not a teacher.

Why would I be? No respect, no authority, and no money in it. These days it's a babysitting job with some mandatory indoctrination sessions.

....and the requirement that one indoctrinate the young.



"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events



Used to be a real profession.....

This was a fairly interesting thread until you got here. No one wants to hear your polemic on liberal education. Try telling us what makes you proud about America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Im i supposed to show remorse for slavery or wiping out and resettling the red drunk savages ?

wasnt me

we'll sell ya back the Louisiana purchase we got from the frogs for 50% above current market value and a 199 year 25% royalty on all natural recourses sold in/from the territory

cash only
most lefttards are broke broken down valise's

Yes, most conservatives are truly this stupid.

We didn't vote for a President who told illegals to go and vote, and guaranteed the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism, nuclear weapons.


In short, your post informs Rule #1 and Rule #2


Rule #1
Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

Rule #2
To know what the Left is guilty of, just watch what they blame the other side of doing.

2a. If not for double standards Liberals would have no standards at all.

 

[Moonglow]

You can lay out all the facts you like, but if they are not viewed within the context of their times but instead filtered through 21st Century mores, whether by you or your students, a false picture results.

I'm not making excuses for slavery or for the Native Americans who warred with the invaders from Europe. We are humans, and we have been finding reasons to kill each other and treat each other like shit since we dropped out of the trees.
I do want to remind you that there were quite a few people in this country who back in the day did NOT agree with slavery.

Indeed, and a good example. The Republican Party was formed in part to defeat slavery, and did. The Democrats started a war to, among other things, retain it. Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?

How about extrapolating the events of modern history with those times and illustrate the direct line between the black-to-white slavery favored by those period Democrats, and today's modern Democrats and their constant efforts via their adoption of Socialism to discard the Constitution and replace it with the slavery of all to the State?

I mean, your students might actually learn something useful.

Do you make that clear to your students when discussing such matters?
No. I do my level best not to be partisan.

That is not partisan. That is providing fact.

Open your other eye, Polyphemus.

LOL I'm glad YOU are not a teacher.

Same with polislick...