American Unions -- Good or Bad for America?

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    I am more'n willing to dialogue on the history of American unions, though organized labor history t'aint my speciality. However, I'd prefer it if we focused on the value (or loss of value) to the nation we receive from unions as they exist today.

    In my mind,there are various sorts of unions and they have different effects.

    Government worker unions. Teachers unions, postal worker unions, federal employee civil service/unions, police unions, American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, etc.

    American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Unskilled labor unions. I do not mean no one belonging to these unions has any skills; I mean that these unions admit unskilled workers. United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union, Transport Workers Union of America, United Mine Workers of America, AFL-CIO, etc.

    http://www.aflcio.org/

    Skilled Labor Unions. International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters, International Union of Elevator Constructors, etc.

    http://ibew.org/

    If when posting, you mean that a good or bad effect follows from the activities of one type of union but not another, it'd be helpful if you clarified that.
     
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    Were good, now bad.
     
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    Anybody who draws a paycheck owes a huge debt of gratitude to the Labor Movement.
     
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    Whatever perceived good unions have produced in no way justifies the evil they committed during their inception.
     
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    Public Employee Unions are bad for America. Career polticians have colluded with such unions to fleece the taxpayer. In exchange for excessive compensation and benefits, such unions donate to and support the campaigns of career pols. The financial solvency of federal, state, and local governments is severely threatened by the burgeoning underfunded pension liabilities for these employees to retire far earlier than their counterparts in the private sector.

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    To Quantum Windbag: You see no present day value from unions? What about the workers at Walmarts who are so badly exploited?

    To Defiant: How can a man or woman be liable for the sins of their great-grandparents? What about the sins of the wealthy business owners, who murdered and committed mayhem in the early days to bust unions? Are their great-grandchildren vicariously liable as well?
     
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    Just because you, and the unions, think they are exploited does not mean that they are. They have consistently voted against unionizing, so they must think they are doing pretty good. Why do you think the unions want the card check law?
     
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    Card check - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Very interesting stuff, Quantum Windbag. But do you deny Walmarts exploits its workers? Or that the company routinely engages in unfair labor practices? If Walmarts workers were unionized, wages would rise (one would expect) so that a living wage would be possible, at least for senior people.

    Is this something we no longer desire for American workers?

    Unions have brought American workers job security, benefits, safer working conditions, better wages.....like anyone else, they can go too far, but a middle class standard of living would not be possible for many American families without unions.

    I'm not seeing the down side.
     
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    Rather than unions there should be federal employment regulations in regard to salary/skill. Mandatory paid vacations, maximum overtime,hazardous duty pay/night shift, etc etc.
    This should include anyone employed including the oil change guy, the nurse or the grass cutter.
    Why should an electrician for Goodyear get $35 an hour and an electrician at Bobs AC and refrigeration get $15 ?

    Several of my employees are in Costa Rica.They get a mandatory bonus by dec. 10 and it is the equivalent of one months salary,plus 12 days paid vacation, and several holidays including 3 days the week of Easter/aka/Semana Santa.I pay 26% of their salaries to the SS system. They pay 9%.
    I'm required by law to keep a separate policy should they get hurt on the job that pays them 75% of their salary for as long as they are off. Up to six months.Govt owned insurance. $180/yr. per employee. Then regular disability through SS takes over.
    SS covers them for any time off sick or injured off the job, after 3 days off. I have to pay 50% of their salary for the first 3 days. Their electric, internet, and telephone are free during those times.Socialism !:eek::eek::eek:
    Pretty neat what a country can do when it's not interfering with everyone elses bidness and supporting IsNtReal.
     
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    If Walmart denied them union elections then you might have a point. The truth of the matter is that the unions have tried to unionize Walmart quite a few times, and have always failed. That tells me more than the claims that Walmart has unfair labor practices and exploits their workers.

    The card check is un-American, because it will deny workers the right to a secret ballot, and allow union thugs to intimidate workers to force them to join a union they do not want to join. If unions are so good for workers, why is almost every pension fund in the country that is run by a union in trouble? Why has union membership steadily declined in the private sector?

    You don't get to look back and claim a right to exist simply because you did something good 100 years ago.
     

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