American Religous Jews: Is This Story Just Click Bait Or A Real Growing IssueHere?

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Is there anybody in Israel who doesn't know what these cultists are yet? They've been around many decades now, after all, so how much more 'discourse' is needed???

...did You finish high school?

 

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Indeependent what's Your view on this,
should Israel reach towards the reformist community in the US ,stand firmly by the Rabbinate, how does it look from there?

 

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As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

As I asked in the OP, is that issue a real problem or a media fabrication? There is nothing' contradictory' between that and the idiocy of allowing Haredi racists and bigots into the military, well unless you're fine with the atrocities these clowns will inevitably commit at every opportunity, and then you find yourself defending many genuine atrocities and murders instead of easily dispelled fake ones. And, most of them are not supporters of the Israeli state, and many of them are more friendly to Muslim terrorists than the Israeli state to boot. Stop subsidizing them as well, they're not real scholars, they're just deadbeats and cultists.

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

And so what? I No need to pretend the obvious isn't already obvious, like some Alzheimer's patient who wakes up in a new world every day and thinks the issues all new again.

Media fabrication.

And will it stay that way with the advent of letting these nutjobs into the military?

You both are trying to make it into an "either- or" conversation, broad brushing whole segments of Israeli and American society just because it's more "click bait' friendly, and requires less investigation.

Actually the demographics are these gimps are growing as a percentage of the Israeli and American Jewish population.

Would you feel blaise about Neo-Nazis in America growing from 9% to 12% in just a few years? They're far less than 0.1% now, but you don't think being 9% would be an issue? Nothing to be concerned about?

 

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Is there anybody in Israel who doesn't know what these cultists are yet? They've been around many decades now, after all, so how much more 'discourse' is needed???

...did You finish high school?

Ah, so far you're all in favor of Jewish racism, obviously. So tell us what the Jewish Right wing version of Sieg Heil is, so we can make you feel at home here.

You and Indy aren't the first racists here, either.

 

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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Ha’aretz...nuff said.
Run by self-hating Jews.

By that you mean they don't endorse Jewish racial supremacy, right? Or that they air 'dirty' laundry Xian hating bigots don't want to see discussed in public.

 

[Indeependent]

Indeependent what's Your view on this,
should Israel reach towards the reformist community in the US ,stand firmly by the Rabbinate, how does it look from there?

The overwhelming number of secular Jews in NYC support Israel financially and via groups such as AIPAC.
I rarely hear them mentioning religiosity.
This fact pisses off Ha’eretz which thrives on being anti-Jewish.
Hamas is Judaism’s greatest gift.

 

[Indeependent]

U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Ha’aretz...nuff said.
Run by self-hating Jews.

By that you mean they don't endorse Jewish racial supremacy, right? Or that they air 'dirty' laundry Xian hating bigots don't want to see discussed in public.

Unlike Christianity, Judaism does not dwell on other religions.
Don’t forget, Christianity and Islam stole from Judaism, not vice-versa.

 

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Indeependent what's Your view on this,
should Israel reach towards the reformist community in the US ,stand firmly by the Rabbinate, how does it look from there?

The real question is not a choice between Reform and Orthodox Judaism, but rather a choice between assimilation and preserving Jewish identity. The Israeli Jews already made their choice.

 

[Indeependent]

So PickYourNose, explain your smiley.
Because Jews don’t sit around dwelling on the goyim.

 

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Indeependent what's Your view on this,
should Israel reach towards the reformist community in the US ,stand firmly by the Rabbinate, how does it look from there?

The real question is not a choice between Reform and Orthodox Judaism, but rather a choice between assimilation and preserving Jewish identity. The Israeli Jews already made their choice.

Yes agree, in my opinion this a more correct way to express it.

 

[rylah]

Indeependent what's Your view on this,
should Israel reach towards the reformist community in the US ,stand firmly by the Rabbinate, how does it look from there?

The overwhelming number of secular Jews in NYC support Israel financially and via groups such as AIPAC.
I rarely hear them mentioning religiosity.
This fact pisses off Ha’eretz which thrives on being anti-Jewish.
Hamas is Judaism’s greatest gift.

The day we hear "SheHakol Nihya..." during a speech in the UN...
That's where I see us eventually going, I don't see another politician who would be more influential in this than Netanyahu.

 

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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

lol another tard weighs in.

Hey, guy, what's with the anti-Semitic bullshit?

Hey guy, what's with the stupidity? For the dense and ignorant dufuses who don't know about trends in Jewish history and modern issues in Israel itself, some serious ones that actually threaten its security, educate yourselves on the Ultra-Orthodox, some of the Orthodox, and the Israeli 'Peace Left'. That way you won't look as ignorant as Jake and Rio here.

Examples:

<B>Israeli Settler Rabbi Praises Islamic Takeover Of Europe</B>

40 rabbis: Jews shouldn't rent, sell homes to gentiles

.. and it's easy to google scholar the suicidal insanities of the Israeli 'Peace Left' on your own.

Still think 'all Jews look alike'? lol

And, an Orthodox Rabbi who isn't totally insane discusses Jewish issues, including American Liberal Jews and their hypocrisy and closet racism and bigotry,; covers a wide range of Jewish politics, good and bad, Kahanism, etc., in a fairly objective manner.

Judaism, Culture and the Gentile World: A Conversation with Rabbi Mayer Schiller

Read the whole article; it will enlighten the issues raised in the OP article linked to, the one Jake and Rio can't be bothered to read.


Jewish Review: You've said that for the religious right, and I suppose you are also speaking, for example, about the Gush Emunim in Israel, that gentiles are seen as largely a means whereby God punishes, tests or protects the Jews. The gentile's personal destiny is not only secondary to ours, but in some sense, part of our own destiny. Is this a philosophy that is clearly articulated?

Rabbi Schiller: Yes, definitely. Any standard Yeshivah or Chasidische place, or your West Bank Zionists would all say that quite clearly.

Jewish Review: Yet you also argue that Jewish commitments on the left are an extension of a philosophy which places little or no value on the gentile, and are actually self serving commitments. How is this so?

Rabbi Schiller: Not always, just sometimes. Take, for example, Jewish involvement in the civil rights movements. Ask a Jew why he was in favor of civil rights and very often he'll come up with something like the following rationale: ?We could be next!? In fact recently there was a press report on Le Pen's movement in France which reported that French Jews are opposing Le Pen because they are afraid that after the Arabs they'll be next. Now this feeling is often subconscious and I'm not saying that there weren't also many Jews who were idealistic about their politics, but the question is did the Jew really feel that a white Protestant southerner should have an integrated society? Or did the Jew really feel that for our own political agenda their ought to be an integrated society. Would the Jews have wanted integration with the blacks if the southern whites were Jewish Orthodox?

Jewish Review: Perhaps the liberal Jews were sincere?

Rabbi Schiller: Many were, and the insincerity of others was largely subconscious. But as far as liberal Jews are concerned I think that we're seeing a split on that issue today. The sincere liberals are continuing on with Tikkun and things like that, but those who were full of baloney now support Commentary and Public Interest. Let's take the Tikkun people. Are they really serious? I can't believe that they really want the demographic/racial extinction of European man. Demographic trends seem to show that within the next century America will essentially be a third world nation. Does the Jewish liberal really welcome that? I think they may say they welcome that because they live in suburbia. Do they really believe that all nations, peoples and cultures should be obliterated in an egalitarian world? I don't know what they want. They're stuck because they took the notions of democracy and human rights so seriously.

Damn, the obsession you muthers have with the Jewish People! Hey, Nutzi, the going-ons in Israel doesn't concern you, got it?
Stick to what's happening in the Fatherland and pray your Turkish neighbor doesn't have the urge to merge and one day come rushing at you shouting, "Allahu akbar!"

 

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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Majority of American Jews are Democrats and many of them are leftist activists or in leadership positions. That means they have embraced and justified the Left's anti Israel stance, and like most leftists, chose party over virtually everything, including their country. Let's not forget that Democrat Party is now home to the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Majority of American Jews are Democrats and many of them are leftist activists or in leadership positions. That means they have embraced and justified the Left's anti Israel stance, and like most leftists, chose party over virtually everything, including their country. Let's not forget that Democrat Party is now home to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Yes, I was amazed that the Party now has a Muslim racist as its Number Two leader, and yet no one seems to be concerned about that, either. I chalk it up to loons who want to commit suicide but want to take everybody else with them, like the Israeli 'peace left' loons. This manifestation of underdog liberalism' is definitely a threat, and not even genuine liberalism, just insane idiocy. In any case American shouldn't a breeding ground for this stuff, and apparently it very much is.

 

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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["

I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

lol another tard weighs in.

Hey, guy, what's with the anti-Semitic bullshit?

Hey guy, what's with the stupidity? For the dense and ignorant dufuses who don't know about trends in Jewish history and modern issues in Israel itself, some serious ones that actually threaten its security, educate yourselves on the Ultra-Orthodox, some of the Orthodox, and the Israeli 'Peace Left'. That way you won't look as ignorant as Jake and Rio here.

Examples:

<B>Israeli Settler Rabbi Praises Islamic Takeover Of Europe</B>

40 rabbis: Jews shouldn't rent, sell homes to gentiles

.. and it's easy to google scholar the suicidal insanities of the Israeli 'Peace Left' on your own.

Still think 'all Jews look alike'? lol

And, an Orthodox Rabbi who isn't totally insane discusses Jewish issues, including American Liberal Jews and their hypocrisy and closet racism and bigotry,; covers a wide range of Jewish politics, good and bad, Kahanism, etc., in a fairly objective manner.

Judaism, Culture and the Gentile World: A Conversation with Rabbi Mayer Schiller

Read the whole article; it will enlighten the issues raised in the OP article linked to, the one Jake and Rio can't be bothered to read.


Jewish Review: You've said that for the religious right, and I suppose you are also speaking, for example, about the Gush Emunim in Israel, that gentiles are seen as largely a means whereby God punishes, tests or protects the Jews. The gentile's personal destiny is not only secondary to ours, but in some sense, part of our own destiny. Is this a philosophy that is clearly articulated?

Rabbi Schiller: Yes, definitely. Any standard Yeshivah or Chasidische place, or your West Bank Zionists would all say that quite clearly.

Jewish Review: Yet you also argue that Jewish commitments on the left are an extension of a philosophy which places little or no value on the gentile, and are actually self serving commitments. How is this so?

Rabbi Schiller: Not always, just sometimes. Take, for example, Jewish involvement in the civil rights movements. Ask a Jew why he was in favor of civil rights and very often he'll come up with something like the following rationale: ?We could be next!? In fact recently there was a press report on Le Pen's movement in France which reported that French Jews are opposing Le Pen because they are afraid that after the Arabs they'll be next. Now this feeling is often subconscious and I'm not saying that there weren't also many Jews who were idealistic about their politics, but the question is did the Jew really feel that a white Protestant southerner should have an integrated society? Or did the Jew really feel that for our own political agenda their ought to be an integrated society. Would the Jews have wanted integration with the blacks if the southern whites were Jewish Orthodox?

Jewish Review: Perhaps the liberal Jews were sincere?

Rabbi Schiller: Many were, and the insincerity of others was largely subconscious. But as far as liberal Jews are concerned I think that we're seeing a split on that issue today. The sincere liberals are continuing on with Tikkun and things like that, but those who were full of baloney now support Commentary and Public Interest. Let's take the Tikkun people. Are they really serious? I can't believe that they really want the demographic/racial extinction of European man. Demographic trends seem to show that within the next century America will essentially be a third world nation. Does the Jewish liberal really welcome that? I think they may say they welcome that because they live in suburbia. Do they really believe that all nations, peoples and cultures should be obliterated in an egalitarian world? I don't know what they want. They're stuck because they took the notions of democracy and human rights so seriously.

Damn, the obsession you muthers have with the Jewish People! Hey, Nutzi, the going-ons in Israel doesn't concern you, got it?
Stick to what's happening in the Fatherland and pray your Turkish neighbor doesn't have the urge to merge and one day come rushing at you shouting, "Allahu akbar!"

Crawl back under your rock, moron; I don't waste much time on strawmen made up by idiots who can't read.

 

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So PickYourNose, explain your smiley.
Because Jews don’t sit around dwelling on the goyim.

Of course you do; Christians are by far the largest sect of Jews. You're just angry your racist ancestors kept stepping on their dicks and getting their asses handed to them over and over, and ended up sucking off Mullahs to stay alive after some 600 years of losing bigly, that's all. It's clear you racists stagnated and dumped your theology down the toilet long before the Christian era, and no longer held on to the 'chosen' status by 300 B.C.

So, the Christians and some other sects just moved on and left you to wallow in your silly Exile genealogies and assorted stupid racial superiority fantasies, is all. It had to suck big time to lose all that status and inheriting priesthoods and big incomes, I'm sure, when so many Jews moved on and left you to wallow in your inane, self-destructive racist obsessions. The 'neo'versions are particularly hilarious as well.

 

[Indeependent]

So PickYourNose, explain your smiley.
Because Jews don’t sit around dwelling on the goyim.

Of course you do; Christians are by far the largest sect of Jews. You're just angry your racist ancestors kept stepping on their dicks and getting their asses handed to them over and over, and ended up sucking off Mullahs to stay alive after some 600 years of losing bigly, that's all. It's clear you racists stagnated and dumped your theology down the toilet long before the Christian era, and no longer held on to the 'chosen' status by 300 B.C.

So, the Christians and some other sects just moved on and left you to wallow in your silly Exile genealogies and assorted stupid racial superiority fantasies, is all. It had to suck big time to lose all that status and inheriting priesthoods and big incomes, I'm sure, when so many Jews moved on and left you to wallow in your inane, self-destructive racist obsessions. The 'neo'versions are particularly hilarious as well.

I was wondering why Israel is such a state of the art nation after only 70 years.