American progressivism.

[Mr. Shaman]

Curious that Beck starts modern liberalism with Wilson, when the first progressive president in the modern sense is universally regarded as this guy: Theodore Roosevelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Maybe he fudged TR because TR was a Republican. Hard to say.

In any case, the dearth of modern liberals prior to TR is only because modern liberalism couldn't exist except in an industrial economy. Liberalism in all cases is about defending the rights of ordinary people against the depredations of the wealthy elite, but in an agrarian-economy context different methods were called for to accomplish that, and so you could also say that the first progressive president was really this guy: Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. While Jefferson used different methods than Roosevelt, he was pursuing the same ends. He was a Democrat, too, so Beck has no partisan reasons to ignore him the way he does Roosevelt.

Bullshit.

Jefferson saw gubmint as the worst potential oppressor the people could have....

Yeah.....sure....

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - THOMAS JEFFERSON

 

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[Billy000]

If you just cant get it, watch this. You need to watch, every video, if you give a shit about this country, for real.

Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 1 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 2 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 3 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 4 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 5 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 6 - YouTube
If you still dont get it, you are complicit in the downfall of this country.

Glenn Beck, Faux News, and this thread, are all completely ridiculous.

 

[uscitizen]

If you just cant get it, watch this. You need to watch, every video, if you give a shit about this country, for real.

Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 1 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 2 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 3 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 4 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 5 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 6 - YouTube
If you still dont get it, you are complicit in the downfall of this country.

Ahh an absolutist Beckist.

Does he bark like a dog in any of those?

 

[editec]

The new INDUSTRIALIST aristocracy that Alexis de Tocqueville warned us would destroy the democracy in this democratic republic are here, kids

Chapter XX: That Aristocracy May Be Engendered By Manufactures

Wait,. let me guess how some of us are going to respond...Alexis de Tocqueville was a progressive socialist, right?

 

[zeke]

hes a snake oil saleman

Actually, he sells advertising. Just like the Rushman. Just think, all these Repubs marching to the beat of a couple dudes who make a fortune selling ads. Wow.

Guys more intelligent than any other conservative host going.

Rutro. Is that a compliment? Or a sad sad commentary?

 

[DaGoose]

Curious that Beck starts modern liberalism with Wilson, when the first progressive president in the modern sense is universally regarded as this guy: Theodore Roosevelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Maybe he fudged TR because TR was a Republican. Hard to say.

In any case, the dearth of modern liberals prior to TR is only because modern liberalism couldn't exist except in an industrial economy. Liberalism in all cases is about defending the rights of ordinary people against the depredations of the wealthy elite, but in an agrarian-economy context different methods were called for to accomplish that, and so you could also say that the first progressive president was really this guy: Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. While Jefferson used different methods than Roosevelt, he was pursuing the same ends. He was a Democrat, too, so Beck has no partisan reasons to ignore him the way he does Roosevelt.

Bullshit.

Jefferson saw gubmint as the worst potential oppressor the people could have, as it has the monopoly on the proactive use of force....Modern Marxist progressives celebrate that monopoly and relish in wielding and abusing it.

Jefferson's ends were to protect the people from an overbearing authoritarian central authority, while gaining control of that tyrannical authority is the central end, in and of itself, for the Marxist progressives....Hayek committed an entire chapter in Road to Serfdom concerning this very subject.

The whole attempt to frame Jefferson, Madison, et. al. as budding agrarian communists is really getting old.

I agree. The "pro-big gubmint" crowd should stop oppressing people over their abortion rights, euthanasia, the rights of gays to marry, casual drug use and whether or not a family can decide whether or not to pull the plug on a loved one without "big gubmint" intervention (Terri Schiavo).

Because anyone who believes that "big gubmint" should ban any of the above is part of the "big gubmint tyrannical authority" crowd.

 

[Nosmo King]

How is it that the same crowd who sees a college education as "indoctrination" also sees Glenn Beck as the best, most reputable source of history and political knowledge?

 

[grunt11b]

If you just cant get it, watch this. You need to watch, every video, if you give a shit about this country, for real.

Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 1 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 2 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 3 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 4 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 5 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 6 - YouTube
If you still dont get it, you are complicit in the downfall of this country.

Glenn Beck, Faux News, and this thread, are all completely ridiculous.

The proof is in the pudding. Light has been shined on the ideology and what is going on in this country. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant.

 

[grunt11b]

How is it that the same crowd who sees a college education as "indoctrination" also sees Glenn Beck as the best, most reputable source of history and political knowledge?

You're the only one saying he is. But when the man backs what he says up with video evidence and historical facts, you just cant argue with it.

 

[Oddball]

I agree. The "pro-big gubmint" crowd should stop oppressing people over their abortion rights, euthanasia, the rights of gays to marry, casual drug use and whether or not a family can decide whether or not to pull the plug on a loved one without "big gubmint" intervention (Terri Schiavo).

Because anyone who believes that "big gubmint" should ban any of the above is part of the "big gubmint tyrannical authority" crowd.

Nice cherry pick, Gomer.

Of course you're all for the intervention of Big Daddy Big Gubmint when it comes to Medicare, Medicaid, socialized medical care in general, Socialist Insecurity, food stamps, WIC, union bailouts, unemployment handouts that continue ad infinitum, CPB/PBS/NPR, ETOH subsidies, "green energy" scams, gubmint schools & DoE, unauthorized and unconstitutional foreign wars (when your team is prosecuting them), the list goes on and on.

Best get the lumber yard out of your eye, s0n.

 

[DaGoose]

I agree. The "pro-big gubmint" crowd should stop oppressing people over their abortion rights, euthanasia, the rights of gays to marry, casual drug use and whether or not a family can decide whether or not to pull the plug on a loved one without "big gubmint" intervention (Terri Schiavo).

Because anyone who believes that "big gubmint" should ban any of the above is part of the "big gubmint tyrannical authority" crowd.

Nice cherry pick, Gomer.

Of course you're all for the intervention of Big Daddy Big Gubmint when it comes to Medicare, Medicaid, socialized medical care in general, Socialist Insecurity, food stamps, WIC, union bailouts, unemployment handouts that continue ad infinitum, CPB/PBS/NPR, ETOH subsidies, "green energy" scams, gubmint schools & DoE, unauthorized and unconstitutional foreign wars (when your team is prosecuting them), the list goes on and on.

Best get the lumber yard out of your eye, s0n.

All I did was show you the lumber in yours and you didn't like it.

Truth hurts, eh?

 

[Oddball]

Wrong again, Gomer.

I'm a libertarian, not a republican.

 

[DaGoose]

Wrong again, Gomer.

I'm a libertarian, not a republican.

That's what I would say too if I had a bunch of losers running for POTUS on the GOP ticket.

Anyway, if the shoe didn't fit you would not have gotten your feelings hurt.

 

[Oddball]

Haven't voted for a single republican since '94....Federal, state or local...Not one.

You lose again, Gomer.

 

[DaGoose]

Haven't voted for a single republican since '94....Federal, state or local...Not one.

You lose again, Gomer.

Then why do you have your titties in a twist?

 

[Oddball]

I don't have my titties in a twist...You're the one who tried to project republican culture warrior meddling onto me.

All I did was point out that you're as wrong as you can be...As per usual.

 

[DaGoose]

I don't have my titties in a twist...You're the one who tried to project republican culture warrior meddling onto me.

All I did was point out that you're as wrong as you can be...As per usual.

Uhhhh....Hey Moron, I didn't say GOP. I said big gubmint crowd.

YOU said......

Jefferson saw gubmint as the worst potential oppressor the people could have....

To which I replied......

I agree. The "pro-big gubmint" crowd should stop oppressing people over their abortion rights, euthanasia, the rights of gays to marry, casual drug use and whether or not a family can decide whether or not to pull the plug on a loved one without "big gubmint" intervention (Terri Schiavo).

Because anyone who believes that "big gubmint" should ban any of the above is part of the "big gubmint tyrannical authority" crowd.

Now, like I said, unless you can show me where any of the above does not apply to you then post it.

Otherwise.....STFU, quit bringing up 11 day old threads and go bother someone else.

 

[Old Rocks]

If you just cant get it, watch this. You need to watch, every video, if you give a shit about this country, for real.

Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 1 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 2 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 3 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 4 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 5 - YouTube
Glenn Beck on Progressivism Part 6 - YouTube
If you still dont get it, you are complicit in the downfall of this country.

Glenn Beck, Faux News, and this thread, are all completely ridiculous.

The proof is in the pudding. Light has been shined on the ideology and what is going on in this country. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant.

LOL. All light shined on that asshole shows is shit.

Beck is and always has been a fool preaching to fools.

 

[grunt11b]

*Bump

Because people need to see.