American Majority Rejects Washington Austerity Consensus -- And Demands to Be Heard

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-hickey/american-majority-rejects_b_859740.html


    Do Repugs respect the needs and views of the American majority? You be the judges.
     
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    Congress was voted in to cut the spending. You enjoy the high gas prices? The high food prices? The inflation being caused by the deficit spending?

    Guess what. The American majority doesn't. That's why they elected people to cut the spending. Don't like it. Make a good argument why we should spend trillions of dollars we don't have on programs that 1) Don't work and 2) Were designed to fail to begin with.

    Seriously, make a good reasonable argument for it. Reasonable. That would one that's not based on emotions such as fear and laziness.
     
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    It all goes back to the same basic issues. Those on the right think we can fix everything by cutting spending without raising taxes. Those on the left think we should just raise taxes. And the only logical solution is that we do some of both. But, until those on the far right and left leave fantasy island and join the real world again, things will just continue on the same path.
     
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    How much higher to taxes need to be before we admit that we don't have a revenue problem and that we have a spending problem?
     
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    Look dickhead, if you would view how we got into these problems your dumbass would know that its just wasn't a spending problem, you keep saying the same shit over and over but present nothing to back it up. If it was just all spending explain why businesses and the rich keep getting richer and others are getting poorer, of course its not a revenue problem and its only spending, :rolleyes: thats why even with spending cuts the problem will not be solved.

    And the tax burden is at its lowest level, it hasn't been this low since 60 fucking years, so much for your tax excuse.
     
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    Hey Fagblo... I dare you to read THIS... DRUDGE REPORT 2011®

    Your heads been buried up the huff'n puffs ass for so long, you've completely fallen off the rational wagon train.

    Get a fucking grip ya dumb ass.
     
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    The treasury brought in over 2.2 Trillion dollars last year. Do you have any concept of what a Trillion dollars is? And yet we spent over a Trillion more then that last year.

    We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problems. We are in this mess because we've elected stupid politicians who don't understand that you don't spend more money than you take in.

    Heck, just taking spending to the same level as 5 years ago would significantly fix the problem. You honestly think we can't survive at the same levels of 2006? Heck, there's no reason we can't survive at 1993 levels.

    It's a complete and utter lie that we don't have enough money to run this government efficiently and prosperously and not have a surplus.

    Until you stop lying to yourself and start taking these problems seriously, our nation is in serious danger. I'm sure you are so proud to be contributing to our nations collapse.
     
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    How do you know that?

    High gas and food prices are a worldwide phenomenon that have absolutely nothing to do with US deficit spending, and furthermore inflation is and has been at historic lows since the recession began.

    What makes you assume that?

    Arguing in favor of spending money on programs that don't work and are designed to fail?That would be a hard argument to make. I'd focus on arguing why the government could spend money on programs that work and aren't designed to fail: in order to accomplish reasonable goals like stimulating growth during a recessionary period so as to combat growth in unemployment which could lead to a further contraction of domestic demand and therefore a further contraction of employment in a vicious cycle.

    Either way it'd be difficult to argue one way or another without specifics: what government problems do you think don't work and are specifically designed to fail?

    While we can all agree that politicians are pretty stupid, you are in that mess because the government, the media, major financial corporations, and the mainstream economics profession seemed to entirely and conveniently miss an $8 trillion dollar housing bubble building up for years in front of their face, whose collapse sent the US economy into a deep recession: since less people are employed and the economic climate is uncertain, people are not willing to invest and consume more, or lack the means to, and all of this means less revenue collected in taxes. At the same time, more people justifiably are in need of assistance, straining government coffers and dealing a double-whammy to the deficit
    This normally wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that the United States' revenue positions were already somewhat flimsy by the time this hit due to a previous recession and the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

    From the spending side, the biggest factor has been Defense budget increases of 10% a year to further international military engagements of dubious worth. The Pentagon's budget increased from around 250 billion to around 600 billion a year in the past decade. For the future, the biggest "spending" issues will be Medicare and Social Security, which consistently large majorities of the US public back and do not want cut.

    So is it spending or revenue? The main problem in the short term is decreasing revenues due to recession, unemployment, and historically low tax rates. The long-term problem is the spending, but even then, it will be impossible to solve without stronger growth and employment figures, and hence without increasing revenue.
     
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    We have a spending problem without doubt.

    We have a revenue problem, too, without doubt.

    The real solution is to deal with both aspects of this problem.
     
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    i doubt failglow can define half the words in his thread title

    funny, that.
     
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