American Majority Rejects Washington Austerity Consensus -- And Demands to Be Heard

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-hickey/american-majority-rejects_b_859740.html


Out in the America, unemployment is back up to 9 percent, but inside the Washington beltway bubble the consensus, driven by conservatives seems to be for austerity. An unholy alliance of pundits, politicians and even reporters -- who differ only in degree -- is insisting on the need to slash Federal spending over the next few months. As we approach the deadline for Congress to raise the debt ceiling, not a hour goes by in the 24 hour cycle without the media interviewing some expert who declares that the deficit is the most important threat facing the country, that tax increases are off the table, and that a severe crisis awaits if the Congress doesn't cut and radically restructure Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

But one voice is missing from this discussion: that of the American Majority.

Occasionally some talking head on TV will acknowledge the almost daily public opinion polling showing conclusively that strong majorities of Americans:

- oppose cutting benefits for Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid recipients;

- reject the idea of raising the age of eligibility for these popular programs;

- hate the proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher or privatize Social Security;

- support taxing the rich and corporations to close the deficit and fund needed investment;

- favor cutting military spending for both obsolete weapons systems and current wars;

- and, while acknowledging the need to reduce deficits, place a higher priority on creating jobs and getting the sputtering economy growing.

Rarely in the public discussion are the views of the American majority presented in such a comprehensive way. Instead, some budget expert from Brookings or an honest reporter will nervously interject that "recent polls show Americans may resist taking the medicine," and then the discussion moves on to why austerity is absolutely necessary. Rarely on talk shows or even in serious print news article does anyone challenge the predictable Republican mantra that "We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem." And, given the consensus that we face a "debt and deficit crisis" that could soon hurt the economy, rarely is anyone allowed to warn that a strong dose of spending cuts might hurt the America's faltering recovery.

Do Repugs respect the needs and views of the American majority? You be the judges.
 
Congress was voted in to cut the spending. You enjoy the high gas prices? The high food prices? The inflation being caused by the deficit spending?

Guess what. The American majority doesn't. That's why they elected people to cut the spending. Don't like it. Make a good argument why we should spend trillions of dollars we don't have on programs that 1) Don't work and 2) Were designed to fail to begin with.

Seriously, make a good reasonable argument for it. Reasonable. That would one that's not based on emotions such as fear and laziness.
 
It all goes back to the same basic issues. Those on the right think we can fix everything by cutting spending without raising taxes. Those on the left think we should just raise taxes. And the only logical solution is that we do some of both. But, until those on the far right and left leave fantasy island and join the real world again, things will just continue on the same path.
 
It all goes back to the same basic issues. Those on the right think we can fix everything by cutting spending without raising taxes. Those on the left think we should just raise taxes. And the only logical solution is that we do some of both. But, until those on the far right and left leave fantasy island and join the real world again, things will just continue on the same path.

How much higher to taxes need to be before we admit that we don't have a revenue problem and that we have a spending problem?
 
It all goes back to the same basic issues. Those on the right think we can fix everything by cutting spending without raising taxes. Those on the left think we should just raise taxes. And the only logical solution is that we do some of both. But, until those on the far right and left leave fantasy island and join the real world again, things will just continue on the same path.

How much higher to taxes need to be before we admit that we don't have a revenue problem and that we have a spending problem?

Look dickhead, if you would view how we got into these problems your dumbass would know that its just wasn't a spending problem, you keep saying the same shit over and over but present nothing to back it up. If it was just all spending explain why businesses and the rich keep getting richer and others are getting poorer, of course its not a revenue problem and its only spending, :rolleyes: thats why even with spending cuts the problem will not be solved.

And the tax burden is at its lowest level, it hasn't been this low since 60 fucking years, so much for your tax excuse.
 
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Hey Fagblo... I dare you to read THIS... DRUDGE REPORT 2011®

Your heads been buried up the huff'n puffs ass for so long, you've completely fallen off the rational wagon train.

Get a fucking grip ya dumb ass.
 
It all goes back to the same basic issues. Those on the right think we can fix everything by cutting spending without raising taxes. Those on the left think we should just raise taxes. And the only logical solution is that we do some of both. But, until those on the far right and left leave fantasy island and join the real world again, things will just continue on the same path.

How much higher to taxes need to be before we admit that we don't have a revenue problem and that we have a spending problem?

Look dickhead, if you would view how we got into these problems your dumbass would know that its just wasn't a spending problem, you keep saying the same shit over and over but present nothing to back it up. If it was just all spending explain why businesses and the rich keep getting richer and others are getting poorer, of course its not a revenue problem and its only spending, :rolleyes: thats why even with spending cuts the problem will not be solved.

And the tax burden is at its lowest level, it hasn't been this low since 60 fucking years, so much for your tax excuse.

The treasury brought in over 2.2 Trillion dollars last year. Do you have any concept of what a Trillion dollars is? And yet we spent over a Trillion more then that last year.

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problems. We are in this mess because we've elected stupid politicians who don't understand that you don't spend more money than you take in.

Heck, just taking spending to the same level as 5 years ago would significantly fix the problem. You honestly think we can't survive at the same levels of 2006? Heck, there's no reason we can't survive at 1993 levels.

It's a complete and utter lie that we don't have enough money to run this government efficiently and prosperously and not have a surplus.

Until you stop lying to yourself and start taking these problems seriously, our nation is in serious danger. I'm sure you are so proud to be contributing to our nations collapse.
 
Congress was voted in to cut the spending.

How do you know that?

You enjoy the high gas prices? The high food prices? The inflation being caused by the deficit spending?

High gas and food prices are a worldwide phenomenon that have absolutely nothing to do with US deficit spending, and furthermore inflation is and has been at historic lows since the recession began.

Guess what. The American majority doesn't. That's why they elected people to cut the spending.

What makes you assume that?

Make a good argument why we should spend trillions of dollars we don't have on programs that 1) Don't work and 2) Were designed to fail to begin with.

Arguing in favor of spending money on programs that don't work and are designed to fail?That would be a hard argument to make. I'd focus on arguing why the government could spend money on programs that work and aren't designed to fail: in order to accomplish reasonable goals like stimulating growth during a recessionary period so as to combat growth in unemployment which could lead to a further contraction of domestic demand and therefore a further contraction of employment in a vicious cycle.

Either way it'd be difficult to argue one way or another without specifics: what government problems do you think don't work and are specifically designed to fail?

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problems. We are in this mess because we've elected stupid politicians who don't understand that you don't spend more money than you take in.

While we can all agree that politicians are pretty stupid, you are in that mess because the government, the media, major financial corporations, and the mainstream economics profession seemed to entirely and conveniently miss an $8 trillion dollar housing bubble building up for years in front of their face, whose collapse sent the US economy into a deep recession: since less people are employed and the economic climate is uncertain, people are not willing to invest and consume more, or lack the means to, and all of this means less revenue collected in taxes. At the same time, more people justifiably are in need of assistance, straining government coffers and dealing a double-whammy to the deficit
This normally wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that the United States' revenue positions were already somewhat flimsy by the time this hit due to a previous recession and the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

From the spending side, the biggest factor has been Defense budget increases of 10% a year to further international military engagements of dubious worth. The Pentagon's budget increased from around 250 billion to around 600 billion a year in the past decade. For the future, the biggest "spending" issues will be Medicare and Social Security, which consistently large majorities of the US public back and do not want cut.

So is it spending or revenue? The main problem in the short term is decreasing revenues due to recession, unemployment, and historically low tax rates. The long-term problem is the spending, but even then, it will be impossible to solve without stronger growth and employment figures, and hence without increasing revenue.
 
We have a spending problem without doubt.

We have a revenue problem, too, without doubt.

The real solution is to deal with both aspects of this problem.
 
I am always amazed at how little history republicans, right wingnuts, and other assorted hate government types know. Our best years were after FDR raised taxes to over 70% and used Keynesian ideas to end the great depression. The war effort was the greatest spending spree in history and many worried that war's end would return America to the depression years. But instead America built and bought and shared and continued the high tax structure and we had our golden years of prosperity.

Reagan and Clinton raised taxes, Reagan many times.


"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth


"But the record shows just the opposite. The national rate of job growth during George W. Bush’s tenure was the worst since the government starting counting in 1939....The tax changes didn’t do much for Vermont, either. Job growth so far this decade is worse than any decade since the 1940s. We have fewer jobs today than we had in 2000." Hoffman: Did tax cuts create jobs?

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well, inasmuch as tax structure is a concern, i don't think that it alone is going to pull us outta the dive , 5
 
I am always amazed at how little history republicans, right wingnuts, and other assorted hate government types know. Our best years were after FDR raised taxes to over 70% and used Keynesian ideas to end the great depression. The war effort was the greatest spending spree in history and many worried that war's end would return America to the depression years. But instead America built and bought and shared and continued the high tax structure and we had our golden years of prosperity.

Reagan and Clinton raised taxes, Reagan many times.


"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth


"But the record shows just the opposite. The national rate of job growth during George W. Bush’s tenure was the worst since the government starting counting in 1939....The tax changes didn’t do much for Vermont, either. Job growth so far this decade is worse than any decade since the 1940s. We have fewer jobs today than we had in 2000." Hoffman: Did tax cuts create jobs?

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I'm sorry, did you say FDR ended the Great Depression? What year did that occur?
 
LOl, so now the MAJORITY of the people are saying, Hey Government, I don't mind working my ass off to TRY and take care of family and I don't MIND if you TAX ME SOME MORE so I can try and take care of EVERYBODY ELSE. All I ask is you thank me when you rob me of my monies.

whew boy ain't that DEMOCRAY grand.:lol:
 
I am always amazed at how little history republicans, right wingnuts, and other assorted hate government types know. Our best years were after FDR raised taxes to over 70% and used Keynesian ideas to end the great depression. The war effort was the greatest spending spree in history and many worried that war's end would return America to the depression years. But instead America built and bought and shared and continued the high tax structure and we had our golden years of prosperity.

Reagan and Clinton raised taxes, Reagan many times.


"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth


"But the record shows just the opposite. The national rate of job growth during George W. Bush’s tenure was the worst since the government starting counting in 1939....The tax changes didn’t do much for Vermont, either. Job growth so far this decade is worse than any decade since the 1940s. We have fewer jobs today than we had in 2000." Hoffman: Did tax cuts create jobs?

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I'm sorry, did you say FDR ended the Great Depression? What year did that occur?

1945...when REAL Keynesian economics was used to arm the nation.

Until that point his half measures, his timidity, failed to really get us out of the depression.

But when the nation was threatened, THEN the government really started spending and this nation went back to work.
 
I am always amazed at how little history republicans, right wingnuts, and other assorted hate government types know. Our best years were after FDR raised taxes to over 70% and used Keynesian ideas to end the great depression. The war effort was the greatest spending spree in history and many worried that war's end would return America to the depression years. But instead America built and bought and shared and continued the high tax structure and we had our golden years of prosperity.

Reagan and Clinton raised taxes, Reagan many times.


"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth


"But the record shows just the opposite. The national rate of job growth during George W. Bush’s tenure was the worst since the government starting counting in 1939....The tax changes didn’t do much for Vermont, either. Job growth so far this decade is worse than any decade since the 1940s. We have fewer jobs today than we had in 2000." Hoffman: Did tax cuts create jobs?

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You can't even comprehend the notion of percentages, you know, like if the tax rate is 10% - 30%, with a growing economy it allows for a modest increase in spending. That goes out the window when you institutionalize spending increases of 10% - 20% per year.

It's the spending stupid.
 
Liberal mentality... taxes should be 30%, no, 40%, no 50%, no 60%, no 70%, no 80%, no 90%... oh... wait...

You goofballs make no sense.
 

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