American Exceptionalism?

[Charles_Main]

It sounds alot like that "Master Race" crap Hitler was selling back in the '30s.

LOL what ever. It means because of our opportunities created by our system we are exceptional. It has nothing to do with Race.

Grow the hell up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Until I start reading the Spanish times, or the France hearld I may never have an actual number for you, but I am "assuming" that, like Cuba being as close to the US, Spain sees the same type of people risking their lives to get in. This also begs the question are they trying to get into the US because it is so great here, or they trying to get in because it just happens to be the closest?

Seams to me that going anywhere other than Mexico would be an improvement. I wonder if the illegals in Spain are telling the officials, "I'm only here temporarily until I can get into the US"?

"...trying to get into the US because it is so great here, or they trying to get in because it just happens to be the closest?"

Would that be closer in miles, or in terms of that warm, fuzzy feeling...when Haitian refugees flee their island, do they aim for Cuba (53 miles), Turks and Caicos (110 miles), Jamaica (124 miles), the Cayman Islands ( 440 miles), or Florida (523 miles ) ? Why is that?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

3. “In most countries in the world your fate and your identity are handed to you; in America, you determine them for yourself. America is a country where you get to writh the script of your own life. Your life is like a blank sheet of paper, and you are the artist. This notion of being the architect of your own destiny is the incredibly powerful idea that is behind the worldwide appeal of America.” Dinesh D’Souza, born in India.

Don't hesitate to let me know if you require more of a remedial education.

No-more-so than you (obviously) require.....

 

[WillowTree]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

You go apologize for America. I won't do it. Thanks.

 

[spectrumc01]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

You go apologize for America. I won't do it. Thanks.

Where in my post did I say I'm sorry and appologize? Funny I don't remember using those words. What I did say in not so many words is, you get farther with honey than you do with salt. By using "American exceptionalism" we are dumping salt on the rest of the world. We don't live in a vacume, and if we are to sell are goods over seas we might want to tone down are rhetoric.

 

[WillowTree]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

You go apologize for America. I won't do it. Thanks.

Where in my post did I say I'm sorry and appologize? Funny I don't remember using those words. What I did say in not so many words is, you get farther with honey than you do with salt. By using "American exceptionalism" we are dumping salt on the rest of the world. We don't live in a vacume, and if we are to sell are goods over seas we might want to tone down are rhetoric.

I see the dollars spent on your education were wasted.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The fact that our free enterprise system has allowed us to be responsible for every major advancement in technology in the last 50yrs might make the world think we are exceptional. Where would the world be without the internet. computers, windows operating system, microwaves, and all the other advancements that came form allowing people to profit from their developments. Capitalism makes us exceptional.

I guess that'd depend on which end o' the whip you are.....​

"In 1944, the people of Guatemala overthrew the right-wing dictator then in power, Jorge Ubico. Guatemala held its first true elections in history. They elected Dr. Juan Jose Arevalo Bermej to the presidency. A new constitution was drawn up, based on the U.S. Constitution. Arevalo was a socialist and an educator who built over 6,000 schools in Guatemala and made great progress in education and health care.

At this time in Guatemala, just 2.2 percent of the population owned over 70 percent of the country's land. Only 10 percent of the land was available for 90 percent of the population, most of whom were Indians. Most of the land held by the large landowners was unused. Arevalo was succeeded in another free election by Jacobo Arbenz who continued the reform process begun under Arevalo. Arbenz proposed to redistribute some of the unused land and make it available for the 90 percent to farm. Here is where the problem arose: United Fruit was one of the big holders of unused land in Guatemala. The pressure mounted against UFCO and finally the company complained to the many friends it had within the U.S. government including President Eisenhower and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, saying that Guatemala had turned communist.

The U.S. State Department and United Fruit embarked on a major public relations campaign to convince the American people and the rest of the U.S. government that Guatemala was a Soviet "satellite"."

The Selling Of Capitali$m

(...Whether the Locals like it.....or, not!!)​

 

[WillowTree]

"American Exceptionalism is the Same thing as American Arrogance."














move to somewhere you don't feel so arrogant.. spin the globe, there's lots to choose from.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

To the thread starter: American exceptionalism might start with proper spelling and grammar.

His abject mediocrity explains his piss-poor attitude and shitty outlook.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

You go apologize for America. I won't do it. Thanks.

Where in my post did I say I'm sorry and appologize? Funny I don't remember using those words. What I did say in not so many words is, you get farther with honey than you do with salt. By using "American exceptionalism" we are dumping salt on the rest of the world. We don't live in a vacume, and if we are to sell are goods over seas we might want to tone down are rhetoric.

More mediocrity from the ill-informed and undereducated left.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

1. Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan: "We are the oldest continuing democracy in the world. . . . We don't make refugees, we admit them. When the rich of the world get sick, they come here to be treated, and when their children come of age, they send them here to our universities. We have a supple political system open to reform, and a wildly diverse culture that has moments of stress but plenty of give. . . . The point is that while terrible challenges face us -- improving a sick public education system, ending the easy-money culture, rebuilding the economy -- we are building from an extraordinary, brilliant, and enduring base."

2. Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune, often referred to as Turgot (10 May 1727 – 18 March 1781), was a French economist and statesman. Today he is best remembered as an early advocate for economic liberalism. In a 1778 letter, he described America as “the hope of mankind” because it “must show the world by example, that men can be free and tranquil, and can do without the chains that tyrants and cheats of all garb have tried to lay on them…It must give the example of political, religious, commercial and industrial liberty. The shelter which it is going to offer to the oppressed of all nations will console the earth.”
Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. “In most countries in the world your fate and your identity are handed to you; in America, you determine them for yourself. America is a country where you get to writh the script of your own life. Your life is like a blank sheet of paper, and you are the artist. This notion of being the architect of your own destiny is the incredibly powerful idea that is behind the worldwide appeal of America.” Dinesh D’Souza, born in India.

4. Maddox makes the case for American indispensability. “American values are Western values,” she titles her third chapter. She stresses to her non-American readers that whatever differences they might have with America, they would do well to understand that the United States ultimately stands for individual rights, political freedom, and the free exchange of goods—all distinctly Western ideas.
CJ Mobile

5. In the speech that JFK had prepared for delivery on the day that he was assassinated:
“ We in this country, in this generation, are--by destiny rather than choice--the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
Selected Speeches of John F. Kennedy - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum


6. In “Escaping Submission,” Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish writes:
“I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.”


Don't hesitate to let me know if you require more of a remedial education.

3. Dinesh D’Souza, born in India. India utilizes the caste system and has for thousands of years. to counter her statement I would refer you to the hoards of people coming to the US for our educational system as you pointed out in your second point.

HE's also a lyin', Birther ASSHOLE!!!!

(....Much in the same vein as Michelle Malkin....you know....the "good" Brown-people.)​

"But I’ll admit I pulled up a bit on it. I could have written another 5,000 words dissecting D’Souza’s baloney. So here’s some bonus criticism."

Dinesh D’Souza Digs Himself in Deeper​

​

 

[spectrumc01]

To the thread starter: American exceptionalism might start with proper spelling and grammar.

His abject mediocrity explains his piss-poor attitude and shitty outlook.

My service to this country in the armed services, and my voting participation make me a valuable member of the 48% of the population that vote. Unlike the rest of the population I actually care enough about my country to try and make a difference. While fighting over seas I had the rare opportunity to converse with soldiers from other countries and got a look at America from the other side. America is great, but not so great that it shouldn't take stock in itself every now and again. By the way your welcome for the rights I and other great Americans fought and died for. I hope my mediocrity and piss poor attitude and shitty outlook don't bother you too much. yep, makes you wonder if people really deserve the rights they inherited from their American ancestors.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

American exceptionalism?, What the heck is that? American Exceptionalism is the samething as American arrogance, which we seem to have in abundance. Is the US exceptional? being an American I would say absolutely. If I were another nation I might have another opinion. American exceptionalism is the same thing as having a positive self image, which we encourage everyone to have. A positive self image is very important for proper mental health. I would hope that every other nation in the world has the same "exceptional" idea about themselves, as a positive self image will keep them mentally stable, and moving in a positive direction, which is good for everyone.

Do people really want the US to go around telling everyone in the world how much better we are than everyone else? It seems to me that that would be the best way to alienate the rest of the world. Weather we want to believe it or not we must get along with our neighbors and work with them.

To see how this "exceptionalism" works, just ask yourself, "how long would I stay involved with someone if all they had to say is how much better they are than you." From the American point of view we are better, but isn't it really something we should keep to ourselves?

American exceptionalism is not just a healthy self-image. It's a belief that America can be the strongest nation on earth objectively.

Let me give you some examples. I live in Wisconsin. My favorite football team is the Green Bay Packers. I also think the Green Bay Packers are the best and most storied franchise in NFL history, narrowly edging out the Dallas Cowboys. I live in Wisconsin. My favorite baseball team is the Milwaukee Brewers. But the Milwaukee Brewers are absolutely nowhere near being the "best" or most storied franchise in the MLB. I live in the USA. Until recently, I would have told you that the USA is one of the very best nations in the world, easily within the top five. Other contenders would be places like Japan and France. But IMO the USA is a falling star now.

People who don't believe in American exceptionalism and who secretly idolize Europe don't, and never have, understood what's so great about America.

.....And, it's MORE-than-obvious why those folks who HATE Europe (Yeah....we can both play that game.)....DO believe in American Exceptionalism.....

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's pretty hard to reconcile claims of American exceptionalism when the top debates of our nation are

1. how to get out of a mountain of debt

2. how to get out of untenable entanglements in the Middle East

3. how to get off our dependence on foreign oil

4. how to figure out how to sell more to the rest of the world than they sell to us

5. how to fix one of the most expensive (aka overpriced) healthcare systems in the world

6. and for good measure, how devalue our educational system, and our educators, even more.

...for starters...

 

[NYcarbineer]

America's Decline, in graphic form:

Full size here:

http://www.time.com/time/daily/2010/1010/decline_graphic.jpg

 

[WillowTree]

You ever heard of a fair weather friend? We help others they shoot us a finger. Naw.. we don't do shit for anybody. We are nobodies.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

1. Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan: "We are the oldest continuing democracy in the world. . . . We don't make refugees, we admit them. When the rich of the world get sick, they come here to be treated, and when their children come of age, they send them here to our universities. We have a supple political system open to reform, and a wildly diverse culture that has moments of stress but plenty of give. . . . The point is that while terrible challenges face us -- improving a sick public education system, ending the easy-money culture, rebuilding the economy -- we are building from an extraordinary, brilliant, and enduring base."

2. Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune, often referred to as Turgot (10 May 1727 – 18 March 1781), was a French economist and statesman. Today he is best remembered as an early advocate for economic liberalism. In a 1778 letter, he described America as “the hope of mankind” because it “must show the world by example, that men can be free and tranquil, and can do without the chains that tyrants and cheats of all garb have tried to lay on them…It must give the example of political, religious, commercial and industrial liberty. The shelter which it is going to offer to the oppressed of all nations will console the earth.”
Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. “In most countries in the world your fate and your identity are handed to you; in America, you determine them for yourself. America is a country where you get to writh the script of your own life. Your life is like a blank sheet of paper, and you are the artist. This notion of being the architect of your own destiny is the incredibly powerful idea that is behind the worldwide appeal of America.” Dinesh D’Souza, born in India.

4. Maddox makes the case for American indispensability. “American values are Western values,” she titles her third chapter. She stresses to her non-American readers that whatever differences they might have with America, they would do well to understand that the United States ultimately stands for individual rights, political freedom, and the free exchange of goods—all distinctly Western ideas.
CJ Mobile

5. In the speech that JFK had prepared for delivery on the day that he was assassinated:
“ We in this country, in this generation, are--by destiny rather than choice--the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
Selected Speeches of John F. Kennedy - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum


6. In “Escaping Submission,” Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish writes:
“I now belong to the greatest and most moral country that ever existed on the earth. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights [practiced in] this graceful country allowed me to practice any religion or no religion and gave me human rights I could only [have] dreamed of under Islam. I am lucky and more than lucky, I am saved. I was never discriminated against even after 9/11.”


Don't hesitate to let me know if you require more of a remedial education.

1. We are not a true democracy, we are a representative democracy. The worlds oldest democracy began in ancient greece in their city states. The "rich of the world" come here for medical treatment. Have you heard the saying, "what ever you do for the least of my brothers you do for me", or "you are only as strong as your weakest link". As for education have you heard of the "Road scholar" who travels abroad for their education? Oxford england may have something to say about the prestige of their university.

2. Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune, often referred to as Turgot (10 May 1727 – 18 March 1781), was a French economist and statesman. Iwonder what she would say now over two hundred years later about American exceptionalism?

3. Dinesh D’Souza, born in India. India utilizes the caste system and has for thousands of years. to counter her statement I would refer you to the hoards of people coming to the US for our educational system as you pointed out in your second point.

4. If the free exchange of goods is so great why is there such a backlash over outsourcing, and NAFTA, and CAFTA? Political freedom? Do you know what must be done by a third party to get on the ballot? its almost herculean. Where as the two other parties recieve it automatically. Individual rights you say... how about the "eminent domain" battles that took place in the New England area.

5. / 6. A speech by JFK. and a testimonial by an Egyptian immigrant (hopefully legal). The US is exceptional but it has flaws and we are not "all that and a bag of chips" and to go around touting it makes us blind to the flaws we do have, and prevents us from going forward.

As for remedial education... I hope I was able to teach you something.

It seems that your fall back position is the contra to 'let not the good be the enemy of the perfect.'
If we are not perfect, we are not exceptional?
Bizarre.

Since you are too dense or too steeped in the propaganda of the left to appreciate what you have, I'm going to suggest the simplest of definitions of the exceptionalism as observed by the entire world...

it's called the gates test.

As follows.

When a nations' gates are lifted, do folks rush in, or rush out?

Gee.....

....how Original......

....But, how would you & Bill Bennett keep all o' the Blacks out??

​

 

[Political Junky]

1. We are not a true democracy, we are a representative democracy. The worlds oldest democracy began in ancient greece in their city states. The "rich of the world" come here for medical treatment. Have you heard the saying, "what ever you do for the least of my brothers you do for me", or "you are only as strong as your weakest link". As for education have you heard of the "Road scholar" who travels abroad for their education? Oxford england may have something to say about the prestige of their university.

2. Anne-Robert-Jacques Turgot, Baron de Laune, often referred to as Turgot (10 May 1727 – 18 March 1781), was a French economist and statesman. Iwonder what she would say now over two hundred years later about American exceptionalism?

3. Dinesh D’Souza, born in India. India utilizes the caste system and has for thousands of years. to counter her statement I would refer you to the hoards of people coming to the US for our educational system as you pointed out in your second point.

4. If the free exchange of goods is so great why is there such a backlash over outsourcing, and NAFTA, and CAFTA? Political freedom? Do you know what must be done by a third party to get on the ballot? its almost herculean. Where as the two other parties recieve it automatically. Individual rights you say... how about the "eminent domain" battles that took place in the New England area.

5. / 6. A speech by JFK. and a testimonial by an Egyptian immigrant (hopefully legal). The US is exceptional but it has flaws and we are not "all that and a bag of chips" and to go around touting it makes us blind to the flaws we do have, and prevents us from going forward.

As for remedial education... I hope I was able to teach you something.

It seems that your fall back position is the contra to 'let not the good be the enemy of the perfect.'
If we are not perfect, we are not exceptional?
Bizarre.

Since you are too dense or too steeped in the propaganda of the left to appreciate what you have, I'm going to suggest the simplest of definitions of the exceptionalism as observed by the entire world...

it's called the gates test.

As follows.

When a nations' gates are lifted, do folks rush in, or rush out?

Gee.....

....how Original......

....But, how would you & Bill Bennett keep all o' the Blacks out??

​

Thanks, I remember when Bennett said that.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

How many countries have people risking death by either exposure in a desert or exposer in the sea, just to get here?

Make it easier. How many have people risking death of any kind to get in?

I can tell you haven't traveled much outside the country, at least that's how it seems. Most countries have great pride in who they are and most look up to America for what it is. It's only recient that the constant barrage from our own media have people turned on us for our good works.

Yeah.....good works....if you limit your reading to Texas-approved History text-books.




Let's hear it for good works during the Reagan Years, in......

Guatemala

&

Honduras​

 

[Shoobis1]

America has really made incredible contributions to science and the arts that have benefitted the whole world. Doesn't that count for something?