American capitalism gone with a whimper

[DiveCon]

Who else would you like to regulate the corporations? You want to have diarrhea half your life just to get the health inspectors off the backs of the restaurants in your precious utopian capitalist system?

Different form of regulation, and I said excessive regulation, big difference. Capitalism isn't "every man for himself" ... and I don't need the government to tell me that drinking bleach is bad for me.

So you consider the requirement that a business have a license "excessive regulation" - but the requirement that a business allow someone to come into their kitchen and inspect the drains without notice, to be an acceptable level of regulation?

Tell me - lets say we have no business licences but continue to have health inspectors at restaurants. Say a restaurant has a severe violation, its happened multiple times, and its time to shut them down. Now what the fuck are you going to suspend if they don't need a license to operate in the first place?

strawman

she never said anything of the sort

 

[KittenKoder]

Who else would you like to regulate the corporations? You want to have diarrhea half your life just to get the health inspectors off the backs of the restaurants in your precious utopian capitalist system?

Different form of regulation, and I said excessive regulation, big difference. Capitalism isn't "every man for himself" ... and I don't need the government to tell me that drinking bleach is bad for me.

So you consider the requirement that a business have a license "excessive regulation" - but the requirement that a business allow someone to come into their kitchen and inspect the drains without notice, to be an acceptable level of regulation?

Tell me - lets say we have no business licences but continue to have health inspectors at restaurants. Say a restaurant has a severe violation, its happened multiple times, and its time to shut them down. Now what the fuck are you going to suspend if they don't need a license to operate in the first place?

It's not the license that's the problem, you are trying to hard to "black and white" this. It's the costs and red tape you have to go through for every business that allows the few who are greasing the palms of the government to stop competition from taking root. You need to stop seeing black and white.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

It's the costs and red tape you have to go through for every business that allows the few who are greasing the palms of the government to stop competition from taking root.

no it isn't. its the fact the big business is bribing legislators to give their corporations handouts that is fucking over the competition.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Different form of regulation, and I said excessive regulation, big difference. Capitalism isn't "every man for himself" ... and I don't need the government to tell me that drinking bleach is bad for me.

So you consider the requirement that a business have a license "excessive regulation" - but the requirement that a business allow someone to come into their kitchen and inspect the drains without notice, to be an acceptable level of regulation?

Tell me - lets say we have no business licences but continue to have health inspectors at restaurants. Say a restaurant has a severe violation, its happened multiple times, and its time to shut them down. Now what the fuck are you going to suspend if they don't need a license to operate in the first place?

strawman

she never said anything of the sort

Yeah she did


However, all this fails if:

"1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them."


I thought I told you to fuck off already?

 

[KittenKoder]

It's the costs and red tape you have to go through for every business that allows the few who are greasing the palms of the government to stop competition from taking root.

no it isn't. its the fact the big business is bribing legislators to give their corporations handouts that is fucking over the competition.

You are dense, considering you just said almost the exact same thing, just without the cause. Without excessive regulation that would not be possible, to put it more in terms you might be able to understand, without the government being able to decide what companies are allowed to operate, the government can't stop the competition that drive prices down from happening.

 

[DiveCon]

So you consider the requirement that a business have a license "excessive regulation" - but the requirement that a business allow someone to come into their kitchen and inspect the drains without notice, to be an acceptable level of regulation?

Tell me - lets say we have no business licences but continue to have health inspectors at restaurants. Say a restaurant has a severe violation, its happened multiple times, and its time to shut them down. Now what the fuck are you going to suspend if they don't need a license to operate in the first place?

strawman

she never said anything of the sort

Yeah she did


However, all this fails if:

"1. There is no competition because other companies cannot start due to excessive costs of getting licenses or the government decides to deny them."


I thought I told you to fuck off already?

since when do i have to listen to a moron like you
if you dont like my posts, dont read em

now, no where did she say she didnt want them Lic.
that is a total strawman on your part
if you would stop acting like an idiot, people might change how they treat you

 

[editec]

It would appear that things are a lot more worse than the Obama administration is letting on. The FDIC has requested an additional 58 Billlion dollars to make it through the next year.

Where did you read that?

I just heard that the FDIC has enough of its own funds to more than cover the projected bank closings.

They are projecting a tremendous number of banks will fail.

seem to recall hearing that FDIC closed 31 banks this year

 

[Lycurgus]

From Russia with Love!

In the sarcasm and propaganda lays the truth of a real warning. The truth of the Obama and Liberal reality!


http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/

Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Glenn Beck: We the Sheeple?

June 1, 2009 - 12:00 ET

GLENN: Okay, so I'm reading the story in Pravda, American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper. They are taking us that it's happening at breathtaking speed because we're sheeple, that Russia, they already went through this, and you need to learn the lesson. And this is what they say is happening. First the population in America was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education based on pop culture rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in D.C. that directly affects their lives. True. They care more for their right to check down a McDonald's burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional rights and then they turn around and lecture us in Russia about our rights and about our democracy? Pride blind the foolish.

That line sticks out to me: Pride blind the foolish. We're arguing over things we should not be arguing about. The other line that sticks out to me is the substandard education based on pop culture rather than the classics. I was with George Wythe University who was the guy who was really the mentor to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson had a way of education, and it's all based in the classics. At George Wythe University, they only have textbooks. They only use the classics. I've seen the difference.

Pravda goes on and says, "Then their faith in God was destroyed until their churches, all tens of thousands of different branches and denominations were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant megapreachers were more than happy to sell their souls in flocks to be on the winning side of one pseudoMarxist politician or another. Their flock may complain but when explained that they would be on the winning side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes of earthly power. The final collapse came with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months have been truly impressive. His spending and money‑printing has been record‑setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year ‑‑ and there is no sign that it will not ‑‑ America will best resemble the Weimar Republic and, at worst, Zimbabwe."

My friend, I have told you these things were coming. I tell you now, they are coming. We must educate ourselves and be involved and put down our differences and connect with ‑‑ make a vow to yourself today that there are Democrats out there, if you're a Republican, that there are Democrats out there that truly get it. They don't hate America. There are Democrats now that are saying in their own circles, they don't want to say anything. I really, truly believe not enough people are reaching out to the other party and to the independents as well. They are saying to each other, this is crazy. This can't... but they want to believe. There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. What's wrong is being wrong and then not admitting that you were wrong and just keep going down the path because you're too proud. Pride blind the foolish. The media elite will ask me, "Where were you when George Bush..." well, for the first half, blind. For the second half, speaking out. It doesn't matter. I'm not on any side. Are you? When it really comes down to it, are you on any side other tha n your children's side? The minute the Democrats say, "Whoa, Marxism, oh, wow," and they turn around and they say small government, I'm with them. I'll call myself a Democrat. I don't care. Minute the Republicans do it, fine. If the it's the, you know, polka dot purple people eater party, then guess what button I'm wearing. I don't care.

Let's just start speaking the truth to each other. These past two weeks have been the most breathtaking of all, Pravda continues. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system by the they thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loss and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look more than ordinary street thugs in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in sheer volumes. These men, of course, are not elected panels but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs of their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress. Again congress has put up little more than a whimper to their masters. And then came Barack Obama's command that GM's president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader of Pravda. In the land of pure free markets, the American president now has the power, the self‑given power to fire CEOs, and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions. More advice to us and then to the people of Russia from the e ditorial this weekend in Pravda, next.

(OUT 10:43)

GLENN: So this weekend I'm reading an article out of Pravda, an editorial, American Capitalism Gone With a Whimper, and it has so much in it. They are warning us against Marxism and saying that it is coming at a breathtaking speed here in America. The article continues, "So it's no surprise that the American president is followed up with his bold move of declaring that he and another group of unelected chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automotive policies. I'm sure that if given a chance, they would happily try to redesign for the whole world. Prime minister Putin less than two months ago warned Obama and the U.K.'s Blair not to follow the path to Marxism; it only leads to disaster. Apparently even though we suffered 70 years of this Western‑sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish drunken Russians. So let our wise Anglo‑Saxon fools find the folly of their own pride. But again the American public has taken this with barely a whimper, but a free man whimper. So it shouldn't be any surprise to discover that the Democratically congress of America is working on regulation that would give the American treasury department the power to set fair minimum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private businesses give out pay raises and bonuses. Barney Frank stresses that this only a ffects the companies that receive government monies. But it is retroactive. And taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive. The Russian owners of American companies ‑‑ listen carefully, America. The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at what is happening in America and look at the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left. The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world how free he really is. And the world will only snicker.

Now, there are going to be those who dismiss this coming out of Pravda as political games. They will dismiss this as, "Well, of course they are saying that because they want to destroy America." Whatever. Sometimes there's a great amount of truth in an imperfect messenger. There is an awful lot of truth in this editorial. We'll include it in our free e‑mail newsletter. Don't have to agree with it, don't have to agree with everything in it. Some of the stuff is pretty harsh. But let's just make sure that the last sentence isn't true. The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world how freely he truly is. That is why I say we must stop arguing back and forth about the parties because we're not seeing the real issues. They are giving you the scraps off the table and we beat our chest and we say, "We're free. No, but I like freedom because the Republicans." "No, no, the Democratic freedom is better." They are both slavery. They are both slavery. One's just slavery light and the other is socialism.&n bsp; The world will only snicker because of our arrogance for so long. Let's just think the unthinkable. Think of it as an actual possibility so we can avoid it. And unite together and rediscover who we truly are, not what we've allowed ourselves to become.

 

[LaLinda75]

You forgot one - DICTATOR!

 

[Soaring]

For those of you who missed reading what the author from Russia wrote, here it is.


American capitalism gone with a whimper
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.


True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.



First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.



Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.



The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.



These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?


These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.


Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.



So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.



Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.



So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.



The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.



The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.



Stanislav Mishin



We live in a society -
"of the Government, by the Government, for the Government".
We are now slaves to A GREEDY government.

 

[rayboyusmc]

What a crock of total bullshit. That's as logical a response that this article rates.

 

[Said1]

Holy crap, how many times has this been posted in the last two days?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

What a crock of total bullshit. That's as logical a response that this article rates.

Because it's not really happening, or because it is happening, and Americans will soon wake up and turn it back?

 

[Lycurgus]

Gayboy, go back to sleep, your still not going to get legalized marriages.

Said1 ............. I looked at the first page of posts and saw nothing mentioning Russia in the title, this is a large site and I am not going to read every post and spend all day here to post something, so get over it and find something worthy to complain about.

 

[George Costanza]

What a crock of total bullshit.

You are being WAY too charitable here.

 

[Said1]

Gayboy, go back to sleep, your still not going to get legalized marriages.

Said1 ............. I looked at the first page of posts and saw nothing mentioning Russia in the title, this is a large site and I am not going to read every post and spend all day here to post something, so get over it and find something worthy to complain about.

Ok. You stink. Is that worthy, Mickhail?



Try the search function, genius.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/77673-american-capitalism-gone-with-a-whimper.html

 

[Oddball]

What a crock of total bullshit. That's as logical a response that this article rates.

Yeah....What in hell would a Russian know about communism??

 

[DiveCon]

What a crock of total bullshit.

You are being WAY too charitable here.

What a crock of total bullshit. That's as logical a response that this article rates.

Yeah....What in hell would a Russian know about communism??

yeah, there is your answer, George C

 

[Soaring]

What a crock of total bullshit.

You are being WAY too charitable here.

Do you wish to add something to the conversation, or are you happy to just add a snippet and being ignored in the future. This is a political discussion forum, not a political attack forum with no substance but a big mouth.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Guess what? If you're a rightie YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. After Franken gets seated we'll have 60 votes in the Senate, a majority in the House, and a Democrat in the White House - so FUCK OFF

Why does your little pp opinion matter?

Because my party is about to have absolute authority. that's why. all those things that I am for and Republicans are not - universal healthcare, for instance - are about to get rammed through Congress, and there's nothing the shit party can do to stop it. I love it. so FUCK OFF Republicans.

Not a chance.

For being on the 'winning' team, you sure have quite the angry.