America Without a Middle Class

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Can you imagine an America without a strong middle class? If you can, would it still be America as we know it?

Today, one in five Americans is unemployed, underemployed or just plain out of work. One in nine families can't make the minimum payment on their credit cards. One in eight mortgages is in default or foreclosure. One in eight Americans is on food stamps. More than 120,000 families are filing for bankruptcy every month. The economic crisis has wiped more than $5 trillion from pensions and savings, has left family balance sheets upside down, and threatens to put ten million homeowners out on the street.

Families have survived the ups and downs of economic booms and busts for a long time, but the fall-behind during the busts has gotten worse while the surge-ahead during the booms has stalled out. In the boom of the 1960s, for example, median family income jumped by 33% (adjusted for inflation). But the boom of the 2000s resulted in an almost-imperceptible 1.6% increase for the typical family. While Wall Street executives and others who owned lots of stock celebrated how good the recovery was for them, middle class families were left empty-handed.

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Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families.

The contrast with the big banks could not be sharper. While the middle class has been caught in an economic vise, the financial industry that was supposed to serve them has prospered at their expense. Consumer banking -- selling debt to middle class families -- has been a gold mine. Boring banking has given way to creative banking, and the industry has generated tens of billions of dollars annually in fees made possible by deceptive and dangerous terms buried in the fine print of opaque, incomprehensible, and largely unregulated contracts.

Pundits talk about "populist rage" as a way to trivialize the anger and fear coursing through the middle class. But they have it wrong. Families understand with crystalline clarity that the rules they have played by are not the same rules that govern Wall Street. They understand that no American family is "too big to fail." They recognize that business models have shifted and that big banks are pulling out all the stops to squeeze families and boost revenues. They understand that their economic security is under assault and that leaving consumer debt effectively unregulated does not work.

Families are ready for change. According to polls, large majorities of Americans have welcomed the Obama Administration's proposal for a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA). The CFPA would be answerable to consumers -- not to banks and not to Wall Street. The agency would have the power to end tricks-and-traps pricing and to start leveling the playing field so that consumers have the tools they need to compare prices and manage their money. The response of the big banks has been to swing into action against the Agency, fighting with all their lobbying might to keep business-as-usual. They are pulling out all the stops to kill the agency before it is born. And if those practices crush millions more families, who cares -- so long as the profits stay high and the bonuses keep coming.

America today has plenty of rich and super-rich. But it has far more families who did all the right things, but who still have no real security. Going to college and finding a good job no longer guarantee economic safety. Paying for a child's education and setting aside enough for a decent retirement have become distant dreams. Tens of millions of once-secure middle class families now live paycheck to paycheck, watching as their debts pile up and worrying about whether a pink slip or a bad diagnosis will send them hurtling over an economic cliff.

America without a strong middle class? Unthinkable, but the once-solid foundation is shaking.

Whole article...

Elizabeth Warren is the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard and is currently the Chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel.
 
I am afraid that the American Dream of a massive middle class living at such luxurious standards was a pipe dream. Esp the pensions and retirement expectations included in that dream.

Esp true since globalization's basic purpose was destroy all of that. I still can't believe that mere mention of the word "globalization" doesn't spark riots in the USA.

Froth, bubbles, globalization; such cuddly terms. Almost endearing.
 
I am afraid that the American Dream of a massive middle class living at such luxurious standards was a pipe dream. Esp the pensions and retirement expectations included in that dream.

Esp true since globalization's basic purpose was destroy all of that. I still can't believe that mere mention of the word "globalization" doesn't spark riots in the USA.

Froth, bubbles, globalization; such cuddly terms. Almost endearing.

I grew up in the 50's and 60's. It was never 'luxurious standards', but it was a situation where a family could meet expenses without the need to go into debt. Buying a house was the only debt taken on. My family and all my friends families had a father that worked, and a mother that stayed at home. My grandparents never had a credit card, and my parents never had one until my dad was forced to have one in order to book a flight to attend his 11th Airborne reunion.

What defined this nation was the middle class. But along came the pied piper to serfdom...Ronbo Reagan.
 
I am going to rain on this doom and gloom parade American demography is the in the world.

Are we going to see really bad times for the next 10 years? Very much so, the downslope has not even really started. The real down leg in real estate of 50% below the inflation and amenties adjusted 1969 price for a house is not yet in sight and that point will be hit before real estate recovers. The Dow will sell for an ounce of gold and a 6% dividend yield before that bottom is reached.

Why is this going to happen? Well for the past 40 years the rest of the world has been caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to having and educating children. In fact is have or educate children because the resources to do both don't exist for the rest of the world. The really big economies have had to automate everything but buttwiping to deal with the resulting labor shortages. The maintenance workers for the automated factories that pay for the nursing homes of China, Japan, ASEAN, EU, Russia and probably India will be found here as the aging of the northern hemisphere picks up speed. The southern hemisphere is not in that great a shape either. Relatively speaking the US, New Zealand and Sweden are the places where the people to run those automated factories will be found.

But the real labor force crunch is a decade away.
 
Can you imagine an America without a strong middle class? If you can, would it still be America as we know it?

Today, one in five Americans is unemployed, underemployed or just plain out of work. One in nine families can't make the minimum payment on their credit cards. One in eight mortgages is in default or foreclosure. One in eight Americans is on food stamps. More than 120,000 families are filing for bankruptcy every month. The economic crisis has wiped more than $5 trillion from pensions and savings, has left family balance sheets upside down, and threatens to put ten million homeowners out on the street.

Families have survived the ups and downs of economic booms and busts for a long time, but the fall-behind during the busts has gotten worse while the surge-ahead during the booms has stalled out. In the boom of the 1960s, for example, median family income jumped by 33% (adjusted for inflation). But the boom of the 2000s resulted in an almost-imperceptible 1.6% increase for the typical family. While Wall Street executives and others who owned lots of stock celebrated how good the recovery was for them, middle class families were left empty-handed.

...

Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families.

The contrast with the big banks could not be sharper. While the middle class has been caught in an economic vise, the financial industry that was supposed to serve them has prospered at their expense. Consumer banking -- selling debt to middle class families -- has been a gold mine. Boring banking has given way to creative banking, and the industry has generated tens of billions of dollars annually in fees made possible by deceptive and dangerous terms buried in the fine print of opaque, incomprehensible, and largely unregulated contracts.

Pundits talk about "populist rage" as a way to trivialize the anger and fear coursing through the middle class. But they have it wrong. Families understand with crystalline clarity that the rules they have played by are not the same rules that govern Wall Street. They understand that no American family is "too big to fail." They recognize that business models have shifted and that big banks are pulling out all the stops to squeeze families and boost revenues. They understand that their economic security is under assault and that leaving consumer debt effectively unregulated does not work.

Families are ready for change. According to polls, large majorities of Americans have welcomed the Obama Administration's proposal for a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA). The CFPA would be answerable to consumers -- not to banks and not to Wall Street. The agency would have the power to end tricks-and-traps pricing and to start leveling the playing field so that consumers have the tools they need to compare prices and manage their money. The response of the big banks has been to swing into action against the Agency, fighting with all their lobbying might to keep business-as-usual. They are pulling out all the stops to kill the agency before it is born. And if those practices crush millions more families, who cares -- so long as the profits stay high and the bonuses keep coming.

America today has plenty of rich and super-rich. But it has far more families who did all the right things, but who still have no real security. Going to college and finding a good job no longer guarantee economic safety. Paying for a child's education and setting aside enough for a decent retirement have become distant dreams. Tens of millions of once-secure middle class families now live paycheck to paycheck, watching as their debts pile up and worrying about whether a pink slip or a bad diagnosis will send them hurtling over an economic cliff.

America without a strong middle class? Unthinkable, but the once-solid foundation is shaking.

Whole article...

Elizabeth Warren is the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard and is currently the Chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel.

We don't have a strong middle class now. Republicans and greedy CEO's have ruined it.
 
I am going to rain on this doom and gloom parade American demography is the in the world.

Are we going to see really bad times for the next 10 years? Very much so, the downslope has not even really started. The real down leg in real estate of 50% below the inflation and amenties adjusted 1969 price for a house is not yet in sight and that point will be hit before real estate recovers. The Dow will sell for an ounce of gold and a 6% dividend yield before that bottom is reached.

Why is this going to happen? Well for the past 40 years the rest of the world has been caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to having and educating children. In fact is have or educate children because the resources to do both don't exist for the rest of the world. The really big economies have had to automate everything but buttwiping to deal with the resulting labor shortages. The maintenance workers for the automated factories that pay for the nursing homes of China, Japan, ASEAN, EU, Russia and probably India will be found here as the aging of the northern hemisphere picks up speed. The southern hemisphere is not in that great a shape either. Relatively speaking the US, New Zealand and Sweden are the places where the people to run those automated factories will be found.

But the real labor force crunch is a decade away.

None of this would matter if the economy wasn't dependent on exponential growth and on a next generation to support the entitlements of the previous.
 
Well, with the Progressives-Commies in control of our Guberment. we won't have to WORRY about a middle class. We'll all be THE POOR CLASS. Except for our slave masters in the Guberment, they will be living high off the ole hog and laughing their asses off at us.

isn't that sumthing to look forward to.
 
Well, with the Progressives-Commies in control of our Guberment. we won't have to WORRY about a middle class. We'll all be THE POOR CLASS. Except for our slave masters in the Guberment, they will be living high off the ole hog and laughing their asses off at us.

isn't that sumthing to look forward to.

Here's your problem...the growth of the middle class began during FDR's New Deal, and boomed through LBJ's Great Society. The death of the middle class began when the conservative revolution took control, starting with Nixon and then the great socialist Reagan began nailing the coffin shut.
 
What has killed the middle class is the instant gratification culture of being ENTITLED to anything and everything they want.. More, more, more, now, now, now, I want, I want, I want.

The idea of working for what you have, has become a thing of the past. The idea of buying it now on credit and paying for it later( somehow) rules the day. The knowledge that the state will catch you if you fall flat has become a insane safety net. The idea of saying " i cant afford it" has become a forgotten phrase.

 
What has killed the middle class is the instant gratification culture of being ENTITLED to anything and everything they want.. More, more, more, now, now, now, I want, I want, I want.

The idea of working for what you have, has become a thing of the past. The idea of buying it now on credit and paying for it later( somehow) rules the day. The knowledge that the state will catch you if you fall flat has become a insane safety net. The idea of saying " i cant afford it" has become a forgotten phrase.


Total bullshit. Human nature DIDN'T change in the last 30 years. Moving away from the success of progressivism and toward the failure of conservatism DID.
 
You're right, for once...Human nature hasn't changed.

People would rather go get the freebie from Big Daddy Big Gubmint --the heart and soul of Fabian socialist progressivism-- than provide for themselves.

Oh well, at least AFSCME bureaucrats will always be able to extort their way into the middle class anyways.
 
What has killed the middle class is the instant gratification culture of being ENTITLED to anything and everything they want.. More, more, more, now, now, now, I want, I want, I want.

The idea of working for what you have, has become a thing of the past. The idea of buying it now on credit and paying for it later( somehow) rules the day. The knowledge that the state will catch you if you fall flat has become a insane safety net. The idea of saying " i cant afford it" has become a forgotten phrase.


Total bullshit. Human nature DIDN'T change in the last 30 years. Moving away from the success of progressivism and toward the failure of conservatism DID.


Then your a dinosaur of a day gone by, who is not paying any attention to a damn thing. The mentality of today is not the mentality of 30 years ago.

LOL, you make me laugh. It is the liberal attitude of having everything, even if you aren't working for it or cant afford it, and not being denied a single thing, that has gotten us into all of this.

Tell me, will children today all die if they don't each have a cell phone?
Will children all die if they are told "NO we cant afford that"?

How do you think we got into this housing shit? It was because we didn't tell people NO you cant afford the house you want.
 
There will always be a Middle Class. The government won't kill off the Middle Class. Why? Because it's where they get the biggest majority of their tax money.
 
I am going to rain on this doom and gloom parade American demography is the in the world.

Are we going to see really bad times for the next 10 years? Very much so, the downslope has not even really started. The real down leg in real estate of 50% below the inflation and amenties adjusted 1969 price for a house is not yet in sight and that point will be hit before real estate recovers. The Dow will sell for an ounce of gold and a 6% dividend yield before that bottom is reached.

Why is this going to happen? Well for the past 40 years the rest of the world has been caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to having and educating children. In fact is have or educate children because the resources to do both don't exist for the rest of the world. The really big economies have had to automate everything but buttwiping to deal with the resulting labor shortages. The maintenance workers for the automated factories that pay for the nursing homes of China, Japan, ASEAN, EU, Russia and probably India will be found here as the aging of the northern hemisphere picks up speed. The southern hemisphere is not in that great a shape either. Relatively speaking the US, New Zealand and Sweden are the places where the people to run those automated factories will be found.

But the real labor force crunch is a decade away.

Troy NY, where everything is made....your channeling Vonnegut. ;)
 
What has killed the middle class is the instant gratification culture of being ENTITLED to anything and everything they want.. More, more, more, now, now, now, I want, I want, I want.

The idea of working for what you have, has become a thing of the past. The idea of buying it now on credit and paying for it later( somehow) rules the day. The knowledge that the state will catch you if you fall flat has become a insane safety net. The idea of saying " i cant afford it" has become a forgotten phrase.


that pretty close I think..I would add that the shifting of responsibility, in that the entitlement state has reached far more folks , with 43% of the country paying no net taxes, that gives them a reason to vote one way, while the others who pay have a dog in the fight, its their money thats being redistributed for less return, folks below that 43% consume or are provided a much larger portion the pie of the goods and services the gov. provides......
 
Besides the completely obvious need to cut government and it's spending in half yesterday, there is a sincere need to cut the salaries of any professor who taught business ethics in this nation for the last 50 years. We now live in a world where upper management thinks they are worth 500 times or more than their mid-level employees, and the absolute greed of government and the work place has absolutely harmed our nation.

You will never, ever see the advantages this nation had in history. It's gone, not all wasted, but the party is surely over. Face the music, wealth is shifting out of the US.
 
And it will shift back but only after the federal government goes bust and has to cut back on the empire.
 
You're right, for once...Human nature hasn't changed.

People would rather go get the freebie from Big Daddy Big Gubmint --the heart and soul of Fabian socialist progressivism-- than provide for themselves.

Oh well, at least AFSCME bureaucrats will always be able to extort their way into the middle class anyways.

WHO gets the freebies from Big Daddy Big Gubmint?

This map shows the states that receive more than a dollar back for every dollar they pay in taxes (which they've coded red), and the states that receive less than a dollar back for every dollar they pay in taxes (which they've coded blue). Just to repeat: Red states are getting a good deal, and blue states a bad one. Here's the map:

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There is a very strong correlation, then, between a state voting for Republicans and receiving more in federal spending than its residents pay to the federal government in taxes (the rust belt and Texas being notable exceptions). In essence, those in blue states are subsidizing those in red states.
 
What has killed the middle class is the instant gratification culture of being ENTITLED to anything and everything they want.. More, more, more, now, now, now, I want, I want, I want.

The idea of working for what you have, has become a thing of the past. The idea of buying it now on credit and paying for it later( somehow) rules the day. The knowledge that the state will catch you if you fall flat has become a insane safety net. The idea of saying " i cant afford it" has become a forgotten phrase.


Total bullshit. Human nature DIDN'T change in the last 30 years. Moving away from the success of progressivism and toward the failure of conservatism DID.


Then your a dinosaur of a day gone by, who is not paying any attention to a damn thing. The mentality of today is not the mentality of 30 years ago.

LOL, you make me laugh. It is the liberal attitude of having everything, even if you aren't working for it or cant afford it, and not being denied a single thing, that has gotten us into all of this.

Tell me, will children today all die if they don't each have a cell phone?
Will children all die if they are told "NO we cant afford that"?

How do you think we got into this housing shit? It was because we didn't tell people NO you cant afford the house you want.

I make you 'laugh'...well then that is just one more emotion you posted. Because the FACTS don't support what you 'emote'

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