America & Nazi Germany

[Two Thumbs]

FDR was nothing more than a petty tyrant.

krist, that prick confiscated everyone's gold to pay for the wars he wanted.

hundreds of thousands dead and all we got was the Cold War.

You & those who agree would have us speaking German by now; those of us alive that is.

That's on the list of dumbest things I've heard. Only liberals ever say it though.

Germany didn't have the population to take America.

But that's math, and liberals suck at math.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Here is part of the actual EA, gold was not confiscated, the HOARDING of gold not used in trade was, with many exceptions:

Section 1. For the purpose of this regulation, the term 'hoarding" means the withdrawal and withholding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates from the recognized and customary channels of trade. The term "person" means any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933, except the following:

(a) Such amount of gold as may be required for legitimate and customary use in industry, profession or art within a reasonable time, including gold prior to refining and stocks of gold in reasonable amounts for the usual trade requirements of owners mining and refining such gold.

(b) Gold coin and gold certificates in an amount not exceeding in the aggregate $100.00 belonging to any one person; and gold coins having recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins.

(c) Gold coin and bullion earmarked or held in trust for a recognized foreign government or foreign central bank or the Bank for International Settlements.

(d) Gold coin and bullion licensed for the other proper transactions (not involving hoarding) including gold coin and gold bullion imported for the re-export or held pending action on applications for export license.

Executive Order 6102 - Wikisource

jesus krist

you proved me right by trying to prove me wrong.

FDR was a tyrant, you proved it.

 

[Oddball]

FDR was nothing more than a petty tyrant.

krist, that prick confiscated everyone's gold to pay for the wars he wanted.

hundreds of thousands dead and all we got was the Cold War.

You & those who agree would have us speaking German by now; those of us alive that is.

That's on the list of dumbest things I've heard. Only liberals ever say it though.

Germany didn't have the population to take America.

But that's math, and liberals suck at math.

Germany couldn't even cross 50 miles of English Channel....I can't fathom how anyone would think that they could cross the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[Two Thumbs]

You & those who agree would have us speaking German by now; those of us alive that is.

That's on the list of dumbest things I've heard. Only liberals ever say it though.

Germany didn't have the population to take America.

But that's math, and liberals suck at math.

Germany couldn't even cross 50 miles of English Channel....I can't fathom how anyone would think that they could cross the Atlantic Ocean.

England lost b/c we had to much room to maneuver in. I have no doubts that Nazi Germany couldn't beat Canada, let alone the East Coast

 

[Political Junky]

Ummm, actually yes we did. In the first part of the last century there were three countries that used concentration camps. We were one of them. I'll let you figure out who the other two were.

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

Please show us a link showing tens of thousands of Japanese died in internment camps in the US.

 

[regent]

I think what America did to the American Indian was far worse. Now there's a history. Incidently the death rate in the relocation camps was even less than the American population in general.

 

[Unkotare]

The relocation centers were for Japanese that lived in certain areas. Those that wanted to move to another area could do so and not be interned, some did. The relocation centers also had one of the lowest death rates in the US at the time and also one of the highest birth rates.
Soon after the war I was in a graduate history class and one of the assignments was who was responsible other, than FDR for the internment of the west coast Japanese and Japanese-Americans. The class, after individual research all seemed to come to the same conclusion: the California fruit and vegetable growers put pressure on DeWitt to remove them from California. I wonder if the historians of note came to the same conclusion?

True, not all Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps. No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either.

California's farmers may have benefited economically from FDR's policy but the internment itself was a wartime necessity. Great Britain also interned enemy aliens living in coastal areas and thousands of Germans, Austrians and Italians were sent to internment camps such as Huyton outside Liverpool and a total of 7,500 men were selected to be deported to Canada and Australia in 1940.

The majority of the over 100,000 people of Japanese descent thrown into concentration camps by the dictator FDR were loyal US citizens. They proved themselves to be among the most loyal, in fact. No Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of espionage during the war. While 'away,' their property and holdings were siezed or extorted and most never got back what was taken from them. I can't believe someone said "No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either." Isn't that fucking great? Would anyone here volunteer to be thrown behind barbed wire under armed guard by your own government because hey, they have bathrooms? What a fucking outrage. And of course before such 'nice' concentration camps were built for them, a great many of these AMERICAN CITIZENS were forced to live in horse stables out in the desert. How 'nice.' FDR should go down in history as a villian.

 

[Unkotare]

I think what America did to the American Indian was far worse. Now there's a history. Incidently the death rate in the relocation camps was even less than the American population in general.

Well they sure as hell weren't going to die in any car accidents, were they? What the fuck is wrong with some of you?

 

[Unkotare]

"Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, which permitted the military to circumvent the constitutional safeguards of American citizens in the name of national defense.

The order set into motion the exclusion from certain areas, and the evacuation and mass incarceration of 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living on the West Coast, most of whom were U.S. citizens or legal permanent resident aliens.

These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards.

They were forced to evacuate their homes and leave their jobs; in some cases family members were separated and put into different camps. President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."

Some Japanese Americans died in the camps due to inadequate medical care and the emotional stresses they encountered. Several were killed by military guards posted for allegedly resisting orders.

At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976).

Rather, the causes for this unprecedented action in American history, according to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, "were motivated largely by racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.""

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

 

[Unkotare]

"Long-term health consequences included psychological anguish as well as increased cardiovascular disease. Survey information found former internees had a 2.1 greater risk of cardiovascular disease, cardiovascular mortality, and premature death than did a non-interned counterpart."
"The Experience of Injustice: Health Consequences of the Japanese American Internment", Gwendolyn M. Jensen

 

[Sunni Man]

The majority of the over 100,000 people of Japanese descent thrown into concentration camps by the dictator FDR were loyal US citizens. They proved themselves to be among the most loyal, in fact. No Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of espionage during the war.

Duh, that's only because they were all locked up so they couldn't spy and commit espionage.

 

[Swagger]

"Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, which permitted the military to circumvent the constitutional safeguards of American citizens in the name of national defense.

The order set into motion the exclusion from certain areas, and the evacuation and mass incarceration of 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living on the West Coast, most of whom were U.S. citizens or legal permanent resident aliens.

These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards.

They were forced to evacuate their homes and leave their jobs; in some cases family members were separated and put into different camps. President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."

Some Japanese Americans died in the camps due to inadequate medical care and the emotional stresses they encountered. Several were killed by military guards posted for allegedly resisting orders.

At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976).

Rather, the causes for this unprecedented action in American history, according to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, "were motivated largely by racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.""

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

Back then white America ruled with an iron fist, Unk. They were considered a potential threat/liability by the white majority who cared more about their own interests than that of those 120,000 asians, who happened to be American citizens. Protective instinct doesn't always obey the law. Skin colour really mattered back then, just like it did in Japan.

 

[westwall]

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

Please show us a link showing tens of thousands of Japanese died in internment camps in the US.

I just noticed the s at the end of the ten, it is a mistake. However, estimates of up to 10,000 died in the camps are common. However, I only have a dfew moments and can't find a legit site to link to. here is the best i could find in 5 minutes.

"Only a week after Pearl Harbor, Mississippi Congressman John Rankin told the House of Representatives:

I'm for catching every Japanese in America, Alaska and Hawaii now and putting them in concentration camps and shipping them back to Asia as soon as possible ... This is a race war, as far as the Pacific side of the conflict is concerned ... The White man's civilization has come into conflict with Japanese barbarism ... One of them must be destroyed ... Damn them! Let's get rid of them now! (Ten Broek, p. 87)

Another member of Congress proposed mandatory sterilization of the Japanese.

All of these statements were quite in keeping with popular sentiment. Immediately after Pearl Harbor, Japanese were excluded from various labor unions. Between December 8, and March 31, anti-Japanese rage resulted in 36 cases of vigilantism, including seven murders. And a March 1942 national public opinion poll showed 93 percent in favor of evacuating alien Japanese. While 59 percent wanted to evacuate U.S. citizens of Japanese origin, only 25 percent disapproved"



The Japanese camps in California

 

[Political Junky]

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

Please show us a link showing tens of thousands of Japanese died in internment camps in the US.

I just noticed the s at the end of the ten, it is a mistake. However, estimates of up to 10,000 died in the camps are common. However, I only have a dfew moments and can't find a legit site to link to. here is the best i could find in 5 minutes.

"Only a week after Pearl Harbor, Mississippi Congressman John Rankin told the House of Representatives:

I'm for catching every Japanese in America, Alaska and Hawaii now and putting them in concentration camps and shipping them back to Asia as soon as possible ... This is a race war, as far as the Pacific side of the conflict is concerned ... The White man's civilization has come into conflict with Japanese barbarism ... One of them must be destroyed ... Damn them! Let's get rid of them now! (Ten Broek, p. 87)

Another member of Congress proposed mandatory sterilization of the Japanese.

All of these statements were quite in keeping with popular sentiment. Immediately after Pearl Harbor, Japanese were excluded from various labor unions. Between December 8, and March 31, anti-Japanese rage resulted in 36 cases of vigilantism, including seven murders. And a March 1942 national public opinion poll showed 93 percent in favor of evacuating alien Japanese. While 59 percent wanted to evacuate U.S. citizens of Japanese origin, only 25 percent disapproved"



The Japanese camps in California

Nary a word about deaths in the camps.

 

[Uncensored2008]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

Doubled up on your idiot pills today, I see...

 

[Uncensored2008]

As the FAR right decided to ignore Hitler, FDR was initiating Lend Lease, or perhaps you missed that in your "studies".

Oh, you mean in his quest to support Josef Stalin, who butchered 10 to 12 times as many people as Hitler?

Real fucking humanitarian there...

 

[Unkotare]

Back then white America ruled with an iron fist, Unk.

Yes I know, thanks.

 

[Swagger]

Back then white America ruled with an iron fist, Unk.

Yes I know, thanks.

Glad to hear it.

 

[Unkotare]

Back then white America ruled with an iron fist, Unk.

Yes I know, thanks.

Glad to hear it.

Great, great...

 

[Artevelde]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

FDR was a great war leader and a great President overall, but your OP is far too simplistic.

To begin with, FDR - to the dismay of some of the members of his administration - went along with the Neutrality Acts esigned to ensure that the US would not become involved in European Wars. While he was consistent in his condemnation of the Nazi regime he was also not prepared, throughout the 1930's, to do anything substantial to back up any resistance against Hitler and he went along with the isolationist climate of the time. Only towards the end of the 1930's and really only effectively from 1940 on, did he switch course in this regard.

You also gloss over the fact that the strongest proponents of isolationism and opponents of actually doing anything to fight Nazi-Germany included many of the most Progressive and left-wing Republican and Democratic politicians and of course the pacifists and anti-military movements.