America & Nazi Germany

[regent]

There is a history of America and the world using different monetarty policies for a long time.
I think Lincoln took us off the gold standard during the Civil War, and later FDR during the Great Depression and finally Nixon for good. We seem only to remember FDR, however?

 

[westwall]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

We did not, is your real name PETAIN by any chance? You do not seem to have learned about the millions killed by REAL Fascists, read up on it.

Ummm, actually yes we did. In the first part of the last century there were three countries that used concentration camps. We were one of them. I'll let you figure out who the other two were.

 

[Peach]

with respect, only a complete fucking idiot would call this a big difference.

no person was allowed to keep more than $100, even 80 years ago, $100 was basically a pittance.

the gold was confiscated, period.

dope

It was a CALL IN, no government official went house to house searching. Not repealed until 1974, by the way. A non issue.

Gold Confiscation in 1933; Avoiding Gold Confiscation Today

whatever gets you through the night

How much gold did Eisenhower confiscate conspiracy believer? The law was in effect until 1974.

 

[Peach]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

We did not, is your real name PETAIN by any chance? You do not seem to have learned about the millions killed by REAL Fascists, read up on it.

Ummm, actually yes we did. In the first part of the last century there were three countries that used concentration camps. We were one of them. I'll let you figure out who the other two were.

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[whitehall]

A good reference other than the glitz sold to American kids as "history" is a current book by Eric Larson called "In the Garden of the Beasts". It's the story of Ambassador William E. Dodd a liberal college professor who found himself ambassador to Germany in the most critical time in history. Instead of cherry picking speeches by the great orator read a real account of Nazi Germany and American politics by someone who lived it.

My parents lived it & both recalled Roosevelt's continued anti Hitler stance.

The good people of the "greatest generation" were spoon fed pro-FDR propaganda disguised as news. The only media available to Americans at that time was filtered through a liberal agenda. FDR's treatment of the Japanese Americans should have been cause for impeachment but Americans went along with it because the media went along with it. FDR was elected in 1932 with a promise to end the emerging recession. Under his leadership the recession turned into a soup line depression and lasted for three terms. People who were starving during the "great depression" were taught to admire FDR because that's the only information they had. FDR wouldn't have lasted more than one term if the media didn't totally support him. He didn't have the decency to call it quits after two terms like every other president and the US was forced to amend the Constitution.

 

[Peach]

The original thread suggested that some sort of "right wing" cabal prevented FDR from dealing with Nazi Germany. The notion is ludicrous and is indicative of the lack of historic perspective in the union based education system. Elitist rich FDR might not have been good for much else with a "C" average in college but he was a consummate politician who even married his gangly boyish looking cousin to gain some political points with his famous cousin Teddy Roosevelt.

The anti Roosevelt members of Congress did much to keep the country mired in economic collapse, and did NOT want the US involved in the war in Europe.

 

[westwall]

We did not, is your real name PETAIN by any chance? You do not seem to have learned about the millions killed by REAL Fascists, read up on it.

Ummm, actually yes we did. In the first part of the last century there were three countries that used concentration camps. We were one of them. I'll let you figure out who the other two were.

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

 

[Sunni Man]

We should have been allies with nazi Germany against the USSR.

But the globalist/zog cabal in our government ran the show and pushed their agenda forward and America lost out.

 

[dilloduck]

We should have been allies with nazi Germany against the USSR.

But the globalist/zog cabal in our government ran the show and pushed their agenda forward and America lost out.

You mean the Rothchilds ?

 

[Peach]

Ummm, actually yes we did. In the first part of the last century there were three countries that used concentration camps. We were one of them. I'll let you figure out who the other two were.

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

The Soviet camps were termed GULAGS. Solzhenitsyn wrote about them. The Japanese were responsible for millions of deaths in the invasion of China also. The strange diversion from Fascism is troubling. al Qaeda is FASCIST, not socialist, yet this thread is turned into post WW II communist atrocities.

 

[regent]

The relocation centers were for Japanese that lived in certain areas. Those that wanted to move to another area could do so and not be interned, some did. The relocation centers also had one of the lowest death rates in the US at the time and also one of the highest birth rates.
Soon after the war I was in a graduate history class and one of the assignments was who was responsible other, than FDR for the internment of the west coast Japanese and Japanese-Americans. The class, after individual research all seemed to come to the same conclusion: the California fruit and vegetable growers put pressure on DeWitt to remove them from California. I wonder if the historians of note came to the same conclusion?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

Don't be fooled
The Nazi press enthusiastically hailed the early New Deal measures: America, like the Reich, had decisively broken with the "uninhibited frenzy of market speculation." The Nazi Party newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, "stressed 'Roosevelt's adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,' praising the president's style of leadership as being compatible Hitler's own dictatorial Führerprinzip." (p.190)

Nor was Hitler himself lacking in praise for his American counterpart. He "told American ambassador William Dodd that he was 'in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual." (pp.19-20) A New Order in both countries had replaced an antiquated emphasis on rights.

Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt: What FDR had in common with them

 

[Peach]

The relocation centers were for Japanese that lived in certain areas. Those that wanted to move to another area could do so and not be interned, some did. The relocation centers also had one of the lowest death rates in the US at the time and also one of the highest birth rates.
Soon after the war I was in a graduate history class and one of the assignments was who was responsible other, than FDR for the internment of the west coast Japanese and Japanese-Americans. The class, after individual research all seemed to come to the same conclusion: the California fruit and vegetable growers put pressure on DeWitt to remove them from California. I wonder if the historians of note came to the same conclusion?

True, not all Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps. No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either.

 

[Peach]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

Don't be fooled
The Nazi press enthusiastically hailed the early New Deal measures: America, like the Reich, had decisively broken with the "uninhibited frenzy of market speculation." The Nazi Party newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, "stressed 'Roosevelt's adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,' praising the president's style of leadership as being compatible Hitler's own dictatorial Führerprinzip." (p.190)

Nor was Hitler himself lacking in praise for his American counterpart. He "told American ambassador William Dodd that he was 'in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual." (pp.19-20) A New Order in both countries had replaced an antiquated emphasis on rights.

Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt: What FDR had in common with them

Reality differs:

"Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. His submarines and raiders prove otherwise. So does the entire design of his NEW WORLD ORDER, For example, I have in my possession a secret map made in Germany by Hitler's Government—by the planners of the NEW WORLD ORDER. - Franklin D. Roosevelt, October 27 1941

 

[ThirdTerm]

The relocation centers were for Japanese that lived in certain areas. Those that wanted to move to another area could do so and not be interned, some did. The relocation centers also had one of the lowest death rates in the US at the time and also one of the highest birth rates.
Soon after the war I was in a graduate history class and one of the assignments was who was responsible other, than FDR for the internment of the west coast Japanese and Japanese-Americans. The class, after individual research all seemed to come to the same conclusion: the California fruit and vegetable growers put pressure on DeWitt to remove them from California. I wonder if the historians of note came to the same conclusion?

True, not all Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps. No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either.

California's farmers may have benefited economically from FDR's policy but the internment itself was a wartime necessity. Great Britain also interned enemy aliens living in coastal areas and thousands of Germans, Austrians and Italians were sent to internment camps such as Huyton outside Liverpool and a total of 7,500 men were selected to be deported to Canada and Australia in 1940.

 

[westwall]

Internment camps were used in the US, a sad time, but nothing compared to actual CONCENTRATION & EXTERMINATION camps. The fallacies employed to attack FDR are appalling.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

The Soviet camps were termed GULAGS. Solzhenitsyn wrote about them. The Japanese were responsible for millions of deaths in the invasion of China also. The strange diversion from Fascism is troubling. al Qaeda is FASCIST, not socialist, yet this thread is turned into post WW II communist atrocities.

To be honest i don't even use the terms fascist, or communist or socialist anymore. Instead I stick with collectivist and individualist types of governments. Individualist types are much better for their citizens. Collectivist ones invariably turn to mass slaughter to enforce its system. And really, gulags are simply another name for concentration camp. And yes I've read "The Gulag Archipelago".

 

[westwall]

The relocation centers were for Japanese that lived in certain areas. Those that wanted to move to another area could do so and not be interned, some did. The relocation centers also had one of the lowest death rates in the US at the time and also one of the highest birth rates.
Soon after the war I was in a graduate history class and one of the assignments was who was responsible other, than FDR for the internment of the west coast Japanese and Japanese-Americans. The class, after individual research all seemed to come to the same conclusion: the California fruit and vegetable growers put pressure on DeWitt to remove them from California. I wonder if the historians of note came to the same conclusion?

True, not all Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps. No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either.

California's farmers may have benefited economically from FDR's policy but the internment itself was a wartime necessity. Great Britain also interned enemy aliens living in coastal areas and thousands of Germans, Austrians and Italians were sent to internment camps such as Huyton outside Liverpool and a total of 7,500 men were selected to be deported to Canada and Australia in 1940.

And the US actively kidnapped german nationals from central and south America to use as hostages. It was pretty ugly all the way around.

 

[Peach]

The legal process that created them was the same peach. Tens of thousands of Japanese died in them just as surely as millions of Jews, gypsy's, homosexuals and other "non-desirables" died in the German and Soviet camps. The only difference is that of scale. There weren't that many Japanese to put into the camps and that is what kept the death count low. I've never run the numbers but if a audit were done I would not be surprised to see the death rate of the Japanese in our CONCENTRATION CAMPS was much lower than what occured in Germany. Nothing comes close to what the Soviets did though.

Well that's not exactly true, I forgot to include the Chinese "Culteral Revolution" in my first post. So we are one of four socialist countries to place its citizens in CONCENTRATION CAMPS AGAINST THEIR WILL UNDER FORCE OF LAW.

You see peach, history is important for people to know. Hopefully it prevents repeats. Sadly the rulers we have don't want you to l;earn history...I wonder why that is?

The Soviet camps were termed GULAGS. Solzhenitsyn wrote about them. The Japanese were responsible for millions of deaths in the invasion of China also. The strange diversion from Fascism is troubling. al Qaeda is FASCIST, not socialist, yet this thread is turned into post WW II communist atrocities.

To be honest i don't even use the terms fascist, or communist or socialist anymore. Instead I stick with collectivist and individualist types of governments. Individualist types are much better for their citizens. Collectivist ones invariably turn to mass slaughter to enforce its system. And really, gulags are simply another name for concentration camp. And yes I've read "The Gulag Archipelago".

Two sides of the same coin, yes. I disagree on the use of "collectivist"; the word "National" & "Republic" are used to disguise TOTALITARIANISM, which requires destruction of the individual as a unit of the "nation".

 

[Peach]

True, not all Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps. No lack of food, shelter, clothing, bathing, and bathroom facilities either.

California's farmers may have benefited economically from FDR's policy but the internment itself was a wartime necessity. Great Britain also interned enemy aliens living in coastal areas and thousands of Germans, Austrians and Italians were sent to internment camps such as Huyton outside Liverpool and a total of 7,500 men were selected to be deported to Canada and Australia in 1940.

And the US actively kidnapped german nationals from central and south America to use as hostages. It was pretty ugly all the way around.

We even helped capture war criminals! The outrage

 

[bigrebnc1775]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

Don't be fooled
The Nazi press enthusiastically hailed the early New Deal measures: America, like the Reich, had decisively broken with the "uninhibited frenzy of market speculation." The Nazi Party newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter, "stressed 'Roosevelt's adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,' praising the president's style of leadership as being compatible Hitler's own dictatorial Führerprinzip." (p.190)

Nor was Hitler himself lacking in praise for his American counterpart. He "told American ambassador William Dodd that he was 'in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual." (pp.19-20) A New Order in both countries had replaced an antiquated emphasis on rights.

Hitler, Mussolini, Roosevelt: What FDR had in common with them

Reality differs:

"Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. His submarines and raiders prove otherwise. So does the entire design of his NEW WORLD ORDER, For example, I have in my possession a secret map made in Germany by Hitler's Government—by the planners of the NEW WORLD ORDER. - Franklin D. Roosevelt, October 27 1941

FDR liked Hitler back in the 30's they had many things in common as far as socialism went.