America is already a "Sharia Compliant State"

[Sunni Man]

Can't speak about Africa.

But ME women are safer and more protected there than here in America.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Incorrect again.

There are over 50 nations that rule by some form of Sharia Law.

Every one is different because Sharia can have many interpretations.

American sharia will be different.

Just as Turkey's is different from Egypt's or Malayisa's.

You have a misguided notion that all muslims are in lock step and think identical.

You fail to factor in culture and tradition which play a large part of Islamic practices.

Irrelevant. Without the doctrine of judicial review and precedent Sharia will never be allowed in the United States.

U.S. Treasury teaches 'Islamic Finance 101

This has noting to do with the mechanics of law, civil or criminal.

People like to say that sharia law and the Constitution are incompatible.

But they never give any specifics.

When in reality they are both similar in concept and ideals.

I gave you specifics in post 17, and repeated them again through the thread. You, however, have cited no sources in support of your position.

Sharia isn't a one page document like the Constitution.

Here you exhibit your ignorance.

The Constitution is the more recent manifestation of the Anglo-American judicial tradition going back 795 years to the Magna Carta. And in the United States we have over 200 years of Constitutional case law establishing precedent for judicial review – something Sharia lacks.

One of the sad and tragic aspects of Sharia is although it’s been about as long as Anglo-American jurisprudence, it’s not progressed since the 8th Century. Another aspect of Sharia which makes it incompatible with American Constitutional law.

And lest you cast me into the category of ‘Islam haters,’ I’ve been defending Muslims for years in the post-911 Era, ironically with the same Constitutional principles you seek to destroy.

 

[Sunni Man]

I have no desire to destroy the constitution as you allege.

I only seek to expand and modify it to conform to modern situations by amemdments.

As for your comment that sharia law has not progressed since the eighth century .

That is absolutely 100% false.

Islam has 1000 year history of jurisprudence called "Fiqh"

Where Islamic scholars debated and codified the finer aspects of Sharia Law.

 

[TheBrain]

Sharia isn't a one page document like the Constitution.

It is a set of laws much like the 10 Commandments.

btw the 10 Commandments are just 10 of the 613 laws found in the Book of Leviticus in the Bible.

We weren't discussing the Bible in that post. You stated that Sharia was similar to the Constitution: " ... When in reality they are both similar in concept and ideals". I gave some examples of how they are very different (with questions). Still waiting for you to demonstrate where Shariah is similar to the Constitution in those 3 areas.

In sharia you have the judicial (courts), legislative (councils), and executive (a leader either appointed of elected)

But mainly, when I was talking about them being similar.

I was talking about that both acknowledge the human right's of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

As long as your a Muslim male willing to kill anyone who disagrees with you. Otherwise you're less than human in the eyes of Sharia.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I was talking about that both acknowledge the human right's of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

...except Sharia doesn't regard women as human. They're chattel.

That is not true and you know it.

Muslim women are treated with far more dignity and respect than women in western nations.

Oh, sure, if you call this dignity and respect...

Someone slams a concrete block onto the back of her head. A river of blood oozes from beneath her long, tangled hair. The girl stops moving, but the kicks and the rocks keep coming, as do the victorious shouts of the men delivering them.

In the eyes of many in her community in northern Iraq, 17-year-old Duaa Khalil Aswad’s crime was to love a boy from another religion. She was a Yazidi, an insular religious sect. He was a Sunni Muslim. To Aswad’s uncle and cousins, that was reason enough to put her to death last month in the village of Bashiqa.

Iraq: Young Yazidi Girl Stoned to Death

Reached by phone, Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan claimed responsibility for the flogging. "She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross," he said.

Taliban hand out 37 lashes to girl seen with married man | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Sunni Man]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

 

[Grace]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Didn't you do that in the beginning of this thread, Sunni? According to you, most western women dress like sluts and whores.
Kind of a big brush you're swiping everyone with. I could do the same about all muslim men...you know..their fetish about googling for porn pics of a shebitch camel with it's legs spread wide sorta thing. But I won't.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Did you even read the quotes?

The Yazidi girl was killed for loving someone who was a Sunni.

Last I heard, both sects are part of Islam. But maybe you wish they weren't.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sure you could bring up some idiotic nonsense about camels.

Knock yourself out.

 

[TheBrain]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Bullshit you lying fuck. Those were religious murders.

Seriously, more people need to start calling you out for your bullshit.

 

[Sunni Man]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Did you even read the quotes?

The Yazidi girl was killed for loving someone who was a Sunni.

Last I heard, both sects are part of Islam. But maybe you wish they weren't.

Once again it had nothing to do with Islam.

It was a tribal and cultural situation.

I have a Hindu friend from India.

He told me that if he married a girl not of his tribe are cast his father would kill him.

Even African Christians will kill people who marry outside of their tribe.

This just shows that tribal alliances in many cases are much stronger than the person's religion

 

[Rat in the Hat]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Did you even read the quotes?

The Yazidi girl was killed for loving someone who was a Sunni.

Last I heard, both sects are part of Islam. But maybe you wish they weren't.

Once again it had nothing to do with Islam.

It was a tribal and cultural situation.

I have a Hindu friend from India.

He told me that if he married a girl not of his tribe are cast his father would kill him.

Even African Christians will kill people who marry outside of their tribe.

You can try to hand wave it away all you want, but the fact is those barbarian throwbacks to the middle ages killed those girls because of their religion.

And since women are not killed in the western world for loving someone shows that they are the ones being treated with dignity and respect. If only the followers of Muhammed (PB&J) could treat their women as well.

 

[Grace]

Save yer breath, Ratty.
He got what he wanted with this thread.

 

[TheBrain]

Did you even read the quotes?

The Yazidi girl was killed for loving someone who was a Sunni.

Last I heard, both sects are part of Islam. But maybe you wish they weren't.

Once again it had nothing to do with Islam.

It was a tribal and cultural situation.

I have a Hindu friend from India.

He told me that if he married a girl not of his tribe are cast his father would kill him.

Even African Christians will kill people who marry outside of their tribe.

You can try to hand wave it away all you want, but the fact is those barbarian throwbacks to the middle ages killed those girls because of their religion.

And since women are not killed in the western world for loving someone shows that they are the ones being treated with dignity and respect. If only the followers of Muhammed (PB&J) could treat their women as well.

When I was in the middle east I witnessed a woman being beaten on the side of the road by the Islamic religious police for the "crime" of letting her wrist accidentally become exposed in public. I imagine Sunni Fag would have us believe that is cultural as well.

 

[Sunni Man]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Didn't you do that in the beginning of this thread, Sunni? According to you, most western women dress like sluts and whores.

Went to the mall today.

I saw many young teenage girls.

Some that look like they were even 10 years old.

Many were dressed up like hookers and were wearing all kinds of make up.

Sadly some where even with their parents.

I don't see how any parent lets their daughter dressed like a streetwalker at such a young age

 

[TheBrain]

That was a cultural murder and had nothing to do with Islam.

Heck there is a woman murdered in America basically every hour of every day of the year.

But let's point fingers at everybody else.

Didn't you do that in the beginning of this thread, Sunni? According to you, most western women dress like sluts and whores.

Went to the mall today.

I saw many young teenage girls.

Some that look like they were even 10 years old.

Many were dressed up like hookers and were wearing all kinds of make up.

Sadly some where even with their parents.

I don't see how any parent lets their daughter dressed like a streetwalker at such a young age

Absolutely it is pathetic that people choose to let their kids dress that way. but here in the US we have that choice, without worrying about the religious police beating us for it.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I went to the store this morning.

I saw 3 women covered head to toe in black robes and hoods.

In 94 degree heat.

How could any self respecting man let his wife and daughters go out in clothing so dark that they risk heatstroke from passive solar gain?

 

[TheBrain]

I went to the store this morning.

I saw 3 women covered head to toe in black robes and hoods.

In 94 degree heat.

How could any self respecting man let his wife and daughters go out in clothing so dark that they risk heatstroke from passive solar gain?

I went to the store this morning. I didn't give a shit what my wife wore, because I trust her to use good judgment. Islam of course says women can't be trusted.

 

[Sunni Man]

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When I was in the middle east I witnessed a woman being beaten on the side of the road by the Islamic religious police for the "crime" of letting her wrist accidentally become exposed in public..

I'm sure that we all believe you Conjob......I mean The Brain

 

[daveman]

I was talking about that both acknowledge the human right's of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

...except Sharia doesn't regard women as human. They're chattel.

That is not true and you know it.

Muslim women are treated with far more dignity and respect than women in western nations.

No, not really.