America is already a "Sharia Compliant State"

[Iridescence]

The Brain seems to be QUITE the authority on what this country stands for, indeed. Hmmm....

 

[Warrior102]

America is basically compliant with the ideals of sharia law.

The next step is to codify those laws into our judicial system.

Which will never happen.

As I’ve noted in other threads (apparently with no success with regard to the thread author), Sharia is anathema to American law and will never comport to Constitutional jurisprudence:

Judge, Jury and Executioner

In Islamic Shariah, there is no jury, no defense lawyers, no prosecutors, no pre-trial discovery process, no courts of appeal, no cross-examination of witnesses, no legal precedents, and perhaps most damaging of all, little room for modern evidence.

Former State Minister of Islamic Affairs, Mohamed Shaheem Ali Saeed, while graciously acknowledging the validity of long established forensic methods of DNA profiling, stated that such evidence could only be used as ‘supplementary’ evidence, presumably while relying primarily on eye-witness testimonies, as practised in Arabia 1400 years ago.

Furthermore, due to the lack of separation of powers in Islamic Shariah, the Mullah is literally the judge, jury and executioner on whose shaky whims the mortal life of the accused rests.

Coupled with the severe lack of capable judges, this is often a recipe for disaster.

Comment: Shariah not a solution*|*Minivan News

I support Muslims’ right to practice their faith and observe Sharia in a religious context. But it will never be incorporated into our current judicial system.

And the thread author should know that, if indeed he were a Muslim.

Incorrect

Who would have dreamed 50 years ago that we would now have homosexual marriage.

Or 100 years ago that blacks could vote and that we would even have a black president.

America's legal system is fluid and not static.

As time and our demographic change so does our political process and laws.

America will adopt some if not all aspects of sharia law in the future.

That is a given.

America will adopt some if not all aspects of sharia law in the future??

Not in my cul de sac dude.

Trust me on that

 

[TheBrain]

The Brain seems to be QUITE the authority on what this country stands for, indeed. Hmmm....

That I am my lady. And certainly allowing a woman to worship whomever she pleases is one of those things.

 

[Iridescence]

A woman isn't the best example nor the best target. I can look at you yet see someone else completely other than you. It's complex. The sharia law has always been with us, in many levels...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Incorrect.

You forgot to post your link indicating the information I cited was wrong.

Who would have dreamed 50 years ago that we would now have homosexual marriage.

Or 100 years ago that blacks could vote and that we would even have a black president.

America's legal system is fluid and not static.

As time and our demographic change so does our political process and laws.

America will adopt some if not all aspects of sharia law in the future.

An opinion and prediction, nothing more.

And the progress you mention represents an acknowledgment of rights repressed; Sharia would be a step backward (in more ways than one) to repression again of rights. As I also noted, should Sharia comport to Constitutional jurisprudence – jury trial, doctrine of precedent, appellate process – then it won’t be ‘Sharia’ any longer.

A woman isn't the best example nor the best target. I can look at you yet see someone else completely other than you. It's complex. The sharia law has always been with us, in many levels...

And that’s very nice – glad it’s working for you; you have my full support to practice whatever philosophy you wish – but Sharia as it now exists will never be practiced in any American courtroom.

 

[Sunni Man]

And the progress you mention represents an acknowledgment of rights repressed; Sharia would be a step backward (in more ways than one) to repression again of rights. As I also noted, should Sharia comport to Constitutional jurisprudence – jury trial, doctrine of precedent, appellate process – then it won’t be ‘Sharia’ any longer.

Incorrect again.

There are over 50 nations that rule by some form of Sharia Law.

Every one is different because Sharia can have many interpretations.

American sharia will be different.

Just as Turkey's is different from Egypt's or Malayisa's.

You have a misguided notion that all muslims are in lock step and think identical.

You fail to factor in culture and tradition which play a large part of Islamic practices.

 

[TheBrain]

And the progress you mention represents an acknowledgment of rights repressed; Sharia would be a step backward (in more ways than one) to repression again of rights. As I also noted, should Sharia comport to Constitutional jurisprudence – jury trial, doctrine of precedent, appellate process – then it won’t be ‘Sharia’ any longer.

Incorrect again.

There are over 50 nations that rule by some form of Sharia Law.

Every one is different because Sharia can have many interpretations.

American sharia will be different.

Just as Turkey's is different from Egypt's or Malayisa's.

You have a misguided notion that all muslims are in lock step and think identical.

You fail to factor in culture and tradition which play a large part of Islamic practices.

pick one of those 50 counties and move there then. Sharia has NO place in the US.


I do have a serious question though. What benefit do you hope to gain by implementing some form of Sharia in the US?

 

[California Girl]

The mosque that I attend has several thousand members. Many of the women are second and third-generation Muslim Americans. Many with advanced university degrees.

There are also a lot of American women converts.

All of them CHOOSE to wear the Islamic attire.

No one is forcing them to do anything..

And the rest of American women CHOOSE not to. If we want to dress like 'sluts', that is our business.

Now, fuck off with your stupid obsessional religion and live in a Muslim country if you want to live under Sharia.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I thought that Sharia in Turkey was withheld to personal and family matters as Turkey is secular and prohibits religion in state affairs. Has Turkey begun to codify Sharia into its judicial doctrine?

 

[California Girl]

And the progress you mention represents an acknowledgment of rights repressed; Sharia would be a step backward (in more ways than one) to repression again of rights. As I also noted, should Sharia comport to Constitutional jurisprudence – jury trial, doctrine of precedent, appellate process – then it won’t be ‘Sharia’ any longer.

Incorrect again.

There are over 50 nations that rule by some form of Sharia Law.

Every one is different because Sharia can have many interpretations.

American sharia will be different.

Just as Turkey's is different from Egypt's or Malayisa's.

You have a misguided notion that all muslims are in lock step and think identical.

You fail to factor in culture and tradition which play a large part of Islamic practices.

Most of us have no interest in their culture or your religion. Get over it. This will never be an Islamic country. Move. Take your Muslim religion elsewhere if you don't like the laws of the US.

 

[Sunni Man]

U.S. Treasury teaches 'Islamic Finance 101

U.S. Department of the Treasury

The Treasury Department has announced it will teach "Islamic finance" to U.S. banking regulatory agencies, Congress and other parts of the executive branch today in Washington, D.C. – but critics say it is opening a door to American funding of Islamic extremism.

According to its announcement, the "Islamic Finance 101" forum is "designed to help inform the policy community about Islamic financial services, which are an increasingly important part of the global financial industry."

The Treasury Department has collaborated with Harvard University's Islamic Finance Project to coordinate the event. The department says it expects about 100 people will attend the seminar.

Some speakers include Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Neel Kashkari, senior adviser to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Jr.; Harvard Business School professor Samuel Hayes; Mahmoud El-Gamal, chair of Islamic economics, finance and management at Rice University and Islamic finance adviser to the Treasury Department; Sarah Bell of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; Yusuf Talal DeLorenzo, Shariah adviser and Islamic scholar; Michael McMillan, chair of the Islamic Legal Forum at the American Bar Association and professor of Islamic finance; and Rushdi Siddiqui, global director for the Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes and vigorous advocate for Islamic finance.

Islamic finance is a system of banking consistent with the principles of Shariah, or Islamic law. It is becoming increasingly popular, having reached $800 billion by mid-2007 and growing at more than 15 percent each year. Wall Street now features an Islamic mutual fund and an Islamic index. However, critics claim anti-American terrorists are often financially supported through U.S. investments – creating a system by which the nation funds its own enemy.

Shariah-compliant finance is becoming a major movement, because American banks and investors are seeking wealth from oil profits in the Middle East. Some advocates claim Islamic finance is socially responsible because it bans investors from funding companies that sell or promote products such as alcohol, tobacco, pornography, gambling and even pork.

U.S. Treasury teaches 'Islamic Finance 101'

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

Educating the business sector in alternative or different approaches to business operations and cultures is a diverse and standard practice. It is not an indicator that the United States is going to abandon its constitution.

 

[Sunni Man]

Educating the business sector in alternative or different approaches to business operations and cultures is a diverse and standard practice. It is not an indicator that the United States is going to abandon its constitution.

Neither me or any muslim that I personally know is in favor of abandoning or replacing the Constitution.

We only seek to enhance the judicial process with the positive aspects of sharia for the benefit of all American citizens.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

It is a "blended" practice/doctrine of Sharia and the existing US constitution that is your prediction and/or desire?

 

[cpduprovider]

I wish we would follow the Constitution

 

[Sunni Man]

I thought that Sharia in Turkey was withheld to personal and family matters as Turkey is secular and prohibits religion in state affairs. Has Turkey begun to codify Sharia into its judicial doctrine?

You are right Kiki.

Although Turkey as of late has started to lean more toward being an Islamic state again.

The President's wife wears hijab.

Something that was unheard of for the last say 70 years since Ataturk.

Turkey might be a good model for the U.S. to follow.

 

[Sunni Man]

It is a "blended" practice/doctrine of Sharia and the existing US constitution that is your prediction and/or desire?

Actually, both.

Any time you have two civilizations or religions come into contact or clash.

There will be a give and take between the them.

This has bee repeated throughout history all over the world.

I don't see where our current situation between Islam and the West will be any different.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I am certain that the Evangelical movement will have some concerns with this modern Islamic/USA model. Could be fun to watch.

Sunni, I will continue to think on this topic. I will share that I think you underestimate the will of the American culture and its commitment to personal freedoms; albeit some less desirable than others.

I know of a few Islamic women who under their hijab (which they proudly chose to wear) are the most fashionable designer clothing, jewels, couiffs and polished nails I've ever encountered. That doesn't mean I want the first lady wearing one. On that same note, I also have acquaintances who fled Iran for America in search of choices, one of which being the option to not adorn a hijab.

Friendly thought, you may want to consider refraining from using sweeping generalizations about any culture and more importantly don't diminish yourself by using words like slut and whore while at the same time trying to garnish support.

 

[Sunni Man]

Yea, I get carried way sometimes

 

[California Girl]

Educating the business sector in alternative or different approaches to business operations and cultures is a diverse and standard practice. It is not an indicator that the United States is going to abandon its constitution.

Neither me or any muslim that I personally know is in favor of abandoning or replacing the Constitution.

We only seek to enhance the judicial process with the positive aspects of sharia for the benefit of all American citizens.

The rest of American does not agree with you.

Your attempts to flame others with your constant blathering about Islam sickens me. Cowardly little people like you are a problem to be dealt with - and we've done that in Iraq, and Afghanistan..... don't make us deal with you too, dumbass.